After looking at the new beta, I have a few comments. It is time for serious discussion AND the DEVS to listen to us.

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Well, you did write: "I know some of you reading are going to get all bent out of shape. You need to sit back, shut up and truly THINK about what I just wrote."

On a discussion forum it's not wise to tell others to sit back, shut up and truly think about what you wrote.

Exactly.

The OP needs to firstly, and most importantly, stop telling people what to do or think; which is basically trolling because they are always going to get a negative reaction from people who don't like being told what to do or think.

It's a troll thread (yet again on these forums). I'm done reading this OP's ill-considered and biased self-entitlement rubbish.

So; about all those people in this thread who think it's o.k. to defame (by initials) any employee of FD-surely that is an infraction?
 
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Exactly.

The OP needs to firstly, and most importantly, stop telling people what to do or think; which is basically trolling because they are always going to get a negative reaction from people who don't like being told what to do or think.

It's a troll thread (yet again on these forums). I'm done reading this OP's ill-considered and biased self-entitlement rubbish.

So; about all those people in this thread who think it's o.k. to defame (by initials) any employee of FD-surely that is an infraction?

Probably. Report and let the mods sort it out.
 
Well the OP is now attacking people who supported his point of view because the pointed out that having 10 billion plus dollars could not be gained by anything other than an exploit.

That remains true regardless as to what anybody states. Been playing since launch day in open for the most part. Just now hitting close to a billion in assets. 1000 plus hours now invested. If you really have 10 billion from rare trading alone, then I can see why you are bored.

Anyways I am done defending your point of view. Generally ungrateful and confrontational regardless to the truth.

So let this thread die. Cant have a proper discussion without OP taking every side of the argument accept for the one he started with.

Peace out.
 
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The OP does have a lot of good points, I'm played this game maybe 2500 hours or so (can't tell for sure, due to several wipes and 2 accounts, but 1600 hours on steam + unknown time pre-steam) and I've quit the game at least twice. As someone said "Elite is a mile wide but only knee deep" which is true, for all its complexity everything feels like a carbon copy, there is no life, no diversity no feeling of this being a living breathing civilization, or 3, yes yes stations and even systems change hands now and then, and wars spring up all over the place.. which amounts to... nothing. I love the game, and it has amazing potential, unrealized potential, but it really is like drinking flat soda, like eating cardboard, yes I know that I will come back for more... and I will quit again.. and after a month, 6 months, or a year I will be back, possibly wipe again and start over because that makes it more fun again, for a while.
 
The OP does have a lot of good points, I'm played this game maybe 2500 hours or so (can't tell for sure, due to several wipes and 2 accounts, but 1600 hours on steam + unknown time pre-steam) and I've quit the game at least twice. As someone said "Elite is a mile wide but only knee deep" which is true, for all its complexity everything feels like a carbon copy, there is no life, no diversity no feeling of this being a living breathing civilization, or 3, yes yes stations and even systems change hands now and then, and wars spring up all over the place.. which amounts to... nothing. I love the game, and it has amazing potential, unrealized potential, but it really is like drinking flat soda, like eating cardboard, yes I know that I will come back for more... and I will quit again.. and after a month, 6 months, or a year I will be back, possibly wipe again and start over because that makes it more fun again, for a while.

You eat cardboard? I hope you put butter on it a least!
 
OP talks of his lack of PC whilst demanding this thread be a safe space from ideas and opinions he does not like. I'll give you a 3/10 for trying.

I find this game fun and I emersion is here too. I also don't use Steam to play.
 
Im not sure i see the point of posts like this.... your bored of the game.... then don't play it

Since last July Elite is the first game i have played regularly in the last 20 years and the only game i have ever played online and i really am enjoying it but i still have lots to do.... things haven't changed though. As a kid you'd get a new game and play it at the expense of your eyes until you completed it but once you had you'd move onto the next game and repeat.

There are hundred if not thousands of games out there for you to play, no one forces you to sit in front of elite and keep playing, go play Mass Effect or Horizon Dawn and come back after and see if things have changed enough for you to continue playing or don't

Its a great game but its still JUST a game
 
Im not sure i see the point of posts like this.... your bored of the game.... then don't play it

Since last July Elite is the first game i have played regularly in the last 20 years and the only game i have ever played online and i really am enjoying it but i still have lots to do.... things haven't changed though. As a kid you'd get a new game and play it at the expense of your eyes until you completed it but once you had you'd move onto the next game and repeat.

There are hundred if not thousands of games out there for you to play, no one forces you to sit in front of elite and keep playing, go play Mass Effect or Horizon Dawn and come back after and see if things have changed enough for you to continue playing or don't

Its a great game but its still JUST a game
Excellent points and well put IMO... In addition, it is worth noting that just because people are not playing a game on a regular basis does not automatically mean the game is rubbish in their opinion. Steam statistics and similar concurrent activity statistics are poor guides to use as a metric for popularity of any given game. There could be MANY reasons why people stop playing a game on a regular basis or as regular as they used to, and most of those potential reasons are not related to how they perceive the game.
 
I am a relative "newbie" but my husband is not. We have been playing basically since output. I applaud ED for being realistic. Life does not have daily changes to the environment. I can't drive to relatively close areas and find vastly different environments. Most of the planets will be, well, rocks with a few POIs. But I am entralled for hours, even as an observer, of the beauty of getting to do something I can't just do IRL. I can tour the MILKY WAY. I can go to Bernard's or Witchhead. I can see a neutron star. We have tons of high res shots of our ships by planets with rings, or purple hued stars. I've watched my hubby barely escape defeat against huge odds in dogfights. I am so sorry that none of that feuls your imagination and that you can't feel awe at just exploring our galaxy. Sure I'm excited for eventually landing in an alien biome, but I know how much coding that is going to require and I have every belief that when it does become available it will be every bit as epic as my first view of a pulsar. IMHO.
 
Im not sure i see the point of posts like this.... your bored of the game.... then don't play it

Since last July Elite is the first game i have played regularly in the last 20 years and the only game i have ever played online and i really am enjoying it but i still have lots to do.... things haven't changed though. As a kid you'd get a new game and play it at the expense of your eyes until you completed it but once you had you'd move onto the next game and repeat.

There are hundred if not thousands of games out there for you to play, no one forces you to sit in front of elite and keep playing, go play Mass Effect or Horizon Dawn and come back after and see if things have changed enough for you to continue playing or don't

Its a great game but its still JUST a game

You nailed it to the wall in this post.
Its repetitive. Life is repetitive. Everything you've done already once is repetitive. Rinse and repeat all day long.
Hence the conclusion: Life is boring.

Well, some people around us try to break from that and looking for the handle to break in this game. And when they didn't find it, they start to complain.
Understandable but still I don't think they are right.
The game is what your perception delivers it is. And your recommendation is right.
If you don't find what you are looking for here, you are free to leave, for a while or for ever, try to find something that entertains you better.

Otherwise or additional you are free to be constructive and ask for change, but do not expect too much from it. FD isn't changing their vision quickly
noone is. They have a strategy behind and a worklist. Sometimes it is a sad thing that FD isn't showing what is on their list in what position but they
want to keep some little secrets and we have to commit to that.... or leave.

So patience is key and being open minded for sometimes get out of here and look for the 'nice things' others already have.

Regards,
Miklos
 
OP is right, elite dangerous has extremely abstract gameplay, nothing actually matters, you farm and farm or grind whatever u call it or just cycle the limited things to do. There is no reality to anything, even though everything is extremely realistic.

This is also my opinion as a huge fan of the elite games.
 
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Do the devs listen? Yes.

Are they always capable of doing what players want? No.

Does what players want always match FDs vision? No.

OP - as an early backer, by now you should know that FD are making the game they want, and what they implement doesn't always match what others want. Its an impossible task. What i want doesn't match what you want. I think i can say that with confidence, because what i want, and what you want, doesn't match what anyone else wants really.

Players leaving? Sure, it happens. Players joining, also happening. We get new player threads all the time in the newcomers forum, on reddit, and Steam.

You know what, there are games i've stopped playing over the years. Some i return to. Sometimes games still in development. Are those games dead or dying? Well, some of them perhaps, some are still very much alive. I haven't played Ark in months, but its a good game. I play GTA5 perhaps a couple of days a month, its a good game. Chaos Reborn, love that game, not played it in months. ED unfortuately gets in the way of other games. Just started playing Paladins as well with the kids, we have our own small team, good fun, but ill probably stop playing at some point. Doesn't mean the devs are doing anything wrong.

Basically, what i think you are doing here is saying that YOU are not happy with the direction of development and FD's priorities, and seeking confirmation of this. You're going to get a lot of it. But you know what, all those people agreeing with you, well, if FD did exactly as you wanted, some of those would be writing posts like yours, and some of those disagreeing with you right now would be praising FD for the development direction. As i noted, we all want something different.

Bottom line, i could write a Gluttony Fang sized text on what i think is wrong with the game and what FD should do, but i would never say that FD need to listen to me, at least no more than anyone else. They listen to not just the forums, but all other social media, as well as their game designers and devs, emails they get, perhaps even some people take the time to hand write letters to FD, praising or criticisng them. They get more than enough feedback.

At the end of the day, its up to them which feedback they think is useful, and what they can and are willing to do.

Cheers.
 
I know some of you reading are going to get all bent out of shape. You need to sit back, shut up and truly THINK about what I just wrote.
OP, I sat back, I shut up and I truly THOUGHT about what you said and I disagree with you. Did you buy the wrong game?
 
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Unless you want a better ship there's no reason to do anything in ED. Might as well just stay in the first station with your 3k credits.
 
Do the devs listen? Yes.

Are they always capable of doing what players want? No.

Does what players want always match FDs vision? No.

OP - as an early backer, by now you should know that FD are making the game they want, and what they implement doesn't always match what others want. Its an impossible task. What i want doesn't match what you want. I think i can say that with confidence, because what i want, and what you want, doesn't match what anyone else wants really.

The problem with the 'we're making the game we want' line that Frontier used to trot out quite regularly from my point of view AA is that they used to say that while at the same time producing the old Dev diaries and the like. Back then, making the assumption that the Dev diaries content, the DDF and the concepts shown was actually the game they wanted to make then I was well and truly onboard with that, sadly, in my opinion at least, what we have now is quite far removed from all that. I am struggling to see, given Frontier's previous visions for their game, and given what we have now and will have can both be 'the game they want to make/play' let alone the kickstarter many of us backed.

I get that things change, I get that scope has to be altered but to be frank some of Frontier's direction and vision hops have been hard to comprehend.
 
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Maybe 'the game we want to make' morphed at some point into meaning 'the game we'll be able to cobble together'.

Hit the nail on the head I believe, +Rep

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Don't know what game you are playing but I find Elite Dangerous fun and immersive.

After all OP that is your own point of view, it doesn't include my own about the game.

When you break down any game it is all the same set of instructions, even games like Mass Effect or GTA V. Go to X location to pick up Y object to deliver it to person A. Along the way get attacked by faction C and try to escape. Deliver goods, get reward and move on to do it all over again just with new wording.

How many fetch and kill quests are in games like World of Warcraft and Everquest? Yet people still play these games and level up new characters each and every month or year. It is all the same though when looked at in black and white. Just that Elite Dangerous is a far bigger game world than any of those I have mentioned.

For me Elite Dangerous is a means to escape into a different lifestyle, something I will never have the chance at doing ever; in fact none of us will. The more realistic the galaxy is the better for me and the more I want to be a part of the game and play it. I am never forced to do the missions to gain money within the game either. There is no exp just my own ability to pilot my ship. Elite Dangerous was never about a heroic protagonist like you have in Mass Effect or the Witcher games, it is not about the massive corporations or alliances like we see in Eve Online either. It is about you as a person and whether you have what it takes to survive in the galaxy on your own.

I know some players though have abused the smuggling and rares in the game and so have vast quantities of money and now finding the game boring and dull, that is their own fault though and not the game. Some even say if you can't make XXX amount of millions per hour then its not worth doing. I say rubbish, if you find it fun then it is always worth doing.

The best escape I get in the game from the norm is to just get a ship with a SRV some cargo room and head out into the unknown and land on planets just to salvage POI that I find and then return to civilized space to sell it. Sometimes I make a huge profit with the exploration data and salvage sometimes I don't.

I think the player made bases are still in the pipeline for development but they are a long way off, same with walking around.
There is still a lot more to add to the game such as atmospheric flight, gas giant cloud cities, dark solar systems that have no sun etc, etc.

The game is a living breathing thing and it does have to grow, but this can't be done over night because you demand it. Also why should Frontier Development listen to just you and your cronies on other forums? Personally I like the direction the game is going in right now and having a whale of a time when I play the game.

I never asked for multicrew or Engineers but I accept them all the same and can see how they can add to the game experience. I probably won't use multi crew at all though, but doesn't mean to say I can't see the benefit to it or say it should be removed because I don't like it.

Exactly this. For me it's about turning of everything I know about my life and jumping into the life of a wanderer of the galaxy. My best moments come from being deep in the black cruising the horizon of some distant planet looking for geysers or fumaroles. In the right spot I can spend hours just staring at the landscapes and imagining I'm right there.

ppl will buy it, play some time util they find it boring and walk away like all my friends did after 50h.

Jeez, 50hrs, that's a lot of time for a really boring game!

- No, you won't save Elite
- No, your ideas aren't original
- Yes, FDev is more qualified to take decisions on how the game development should progress
- Yes, you can quit Elite
- No, you won't find similar experience elsewhere, simply because this game is unique
- No, using CAPITAL letters won't make you sound like an adult
- Yes, there are about three threads like this every day that pop-up and vanish shortly afterwards

Perfect!

Let me just say this, I understand your feelings on this whole thing OP, I do. As an explorer I wish there was more interactiviity for us and the universe, but like others have said, you are just expressing your opinion and I must say that while it is a popular opinion it is not the majority. I think the majority of players are having fun. Some things you want will come in time and it will change things but we must be patient.

Again, why I don't think it's boring, and why i think it is fun is the following, first a bit of my mindest: I'm a person who loves anything and everything to do with astronomy! My whole life has been spent wondering about the adventures and mysteries the universe holds. I love to write and in my writings I gravitate towards the sci-fi and in ED I find the perfect setting to unleash my imagination. Unfortunately, ELITE:Dangerous requires a great deal of imagination, but don't most games, every game requires the player to suspend disbelief or to forget what they know and step in the shoes of a character to experience the stories. In ELITE, we create our own stories. There is, like in life, an overall story of everything but that is just momentary interruptions into what our lives are really about, us surviving the cruel world. Anyways, starting to forget what I'm saying. Here is why i love elite and find it not boring.

EXPLORATION(Minus the need for more interactivity and tools): I love the unknown, even if it becomes repetitive, it's still the unknown. The thought of nobody coming this way is what keeps me going, or even if someobody has, what might they have missed. And these worlds we have aren't all empty, many have active volcanism and so while on the surface you can run into geysers, fumaroles and organics structures...all interesting and beautiful sights to behold.

Escapism: I can finally live my dream of flying a ship in space! Nothing can beat that feeling.


Those are 2 reasons why i feel it isn't boring. There is no grind for me because I do not care about credits, and I don't care about getting around the galaxy as fast as possible so the time it takes to travel doesn't bother me either. Again, I'd love to have better tools and mechanics but they are comings. Just like biomes, those will come when we get atmospheric worlds, but for now, no non-atmo worlds will give you biomes. Boarding other ships and EVA's, will most likely come as well but not till later down the line. You can SC is doing it now but they haven't even release a full build yet. And you can't give them praise until they do so. You can give them the benefit of the doubt but to claim they are doing things better until the release isn't not correct. if they don't release for another 3 years, or if something major happens and it can't be released at all then that whole comparison is moot.

Also, I too find some hostility in your OP and some replies. You state an opinion and say you speak for a majority of the fanbase....which includes fanbois and then you dictate how you want people to reply and that if they can't reply the way you "Think" is fit, then their thoughts are dismissed. So it's either your way or no way because there is no correct way to view this game then how FD views THEIR game. Anything outside of what FD think is all opinion and we can react to any post how we want. Barring people from their reaction or saying "Fanbois" need not reply is just silly and really a way of saying, if you don't agree, don't reply. Or if you don't at least see your point of view dont' reply.

Anyways, I can agree with your post in so much that ED does need some more mechanics and a little more depth, but even without that I'm still having a blast and find myself happy at what each session might bring.

If this post starts to not make sense I apologize. It's very late and lack of sleep and I wasn't even going to reply anyways but just kept writing.

TL/DR:

OP is claiming his opinion speaks for the majority of the playerbase which is false.
OP has lost enjoyment and instead of realizing this is trying to get people to see his point on why it is a failed game or at least a game with no mechanics and is completely boring and will fail if not fixed.
Elite is supposed to make you feel alone and insignificant. Like the real world at times it can be a grind but within it's universe there are wonderful things for people who are willing to find them and have a little imagination as well.
 
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