Having to pay extra for features promised in the kickstarter feels like betrayal.
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Oh, so you're one of the guys that can't fathom FDev making a mistake and backtracing. It was clearly stated in the beta 1 patch notes. Sandro confirmed it in the the stream (where he had picked and answered the questions beforehand as he said at the beginning). The community spoke, and they changed it.
It's a shame that you didn't get the point of my thread. You could have learned something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The moderators have stepped down on the argument, but you can see for yourself here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ing-and-Name-Plates-–-how-it-will-work/page25 (it's across several pages of the thread)
As you can tell, I lean towards your view and wish people would quit attributing it to a "community push-back", but...sometimes other people just don't want to listen....
As you say with the meme..."Let it go", I guess.
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You heard did you?
The change was in the 2.3 patch notes.
And Sandro's answer was to a prepared question :
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Sandro : You will have to pay for all name plates, there are no free name plates.
Q : Is it true that the only way for a ship name to show up on another person's scan is if you've purchased a name plate from the shop?
Sandro : Yes.
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I mean where's the miscommunication? That he accidentally said yes instead of no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVKH0EIMPc&t=519s
Aye, it's all Sandro's fault, you heard it, so it is ok to point the finger at Sandro. [blah]
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Carl Grimes agrees with you 100%.
Just my 2 cents about this:
I've spent all my adult life - a big part of my life - waiting for elite 4. (now and then playing a bit of FFE and FE2 (GL))
In all other space games i've played (BC3000AD, BC*, XBF, X2, X3 etc etc etc ) i felt that something was missed.
I fell blessed that this game exists. its founding was no where near other games including other games of the same type.
Some compromises needed to be made and i do want more from this game.
But my point is that I really fell blessed that this game finally exists and for that, I thank all the kickstarters from the bottom of my heart. But, the community needs to keep helping frontier so the game can improve.
So please stop complaining frontier has a big staff taking care of the game and high fixed costs and the game has no fees.
I've spent all my adult life - a big part of my life - waiting for elite 4. (now and then playing a bit of FFE and FE2 (GL))
In all other space games i've played (BC3000AD, BC*, XBF, X2, X3 etc etc etc ) i felt that something was missed.
I fell blessed that this game exists. its founding was no where near other games including other games of the same type.
Some compromises needed to be made and i do want more from this game.
But my point is that I really fell blessed that this game finally exists and for that, I thank all the kickstarters from the bottom of my heart. But, the community needs to keep helping frontier so the game can improve.
So please stop complaining frontier has a big staff taking care of the game and high fixed costs and the game has no fees.
Gosh I hope they haven't sunk an excessive amount of resources into cosmetics. It certainly doesn't seem like they have, because what we've seen so far has been mostly low-rent, low effort, and poorly implemented. The cash shop feels less like a place to purchase premium enhancements to the game, and more like a donation page, with the actual cosmetics as more of a "thank you" bonus.
That is basically the way I and a good portion of the community sees these offerings. In fact, I wish FD had a Patreon page, so I could just drop 100 bucks in there once in a while. Anyone who has ever run a business, or spent any amount of their professional life working for a business knows what it takes to keep the lights on.
I certainly don't want to see Frontier be forced to discontinue ED development because of funding issues. Ironically, all these whining children in this thread would be the first to start screaming if that were to ever happen.
So I am giving all the whiners in this thread the benefit of the doubt by assuming they are 12 -14 years old and lack the basic life experience to understand how this stuff works. If there are any adults among that group, then I would suggest they find themselves another game and forum to haunt, or go back to school and get that high school diploma!
I certainly have nothing in common with their entitlement based world view.
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Rafe Zetter
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Just how many FREE cosmetics have there been to date? I can only think of 1, a chrome cobra skin I think it was.
I know microtrans is the norm now (although I cannot stress how "I told you so" to all the people who said it would never get so petty and money grubbing - look up the term "Chiseller" which mirrors my feelings on the subject, when it first started to happen) but the OP is right, the skins and customization WAS part of the KS program.
I know, I know; FDev need to make money blah blah - make a better game and people will buy more copies and the expansions too. However this changes nothing, skins and customization was part of the KS and without a $ sign attached...
FDev's usual verbal slight of hand.
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Rafe Zetter
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wrong, this is like being told there will be nice rims available, only to be told you can have the rims, as long as you buy the full bodykit package; and once you buy the full bodykit package, you're told the rims were only available to those people who redeemed that voucher they didn't tell you about, and you can't get any more.
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Why do we need to help keep Frontier profitable? They're a professional, fair sized, publicly traded development studio, headed by the man responsible for the Raspberry Pi. They are not in any kind of financial distress whatsoever. Of course, we DID support them. Guess how? That's right, we bought the game and it's expansion.
Do you hold this attitude towards any other corporations or companies? What a bizarre mindset. I didn't beg CDPR for microtransactions because they delivered one of the best RPG's ever made. Why would you?
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I have not seen any evidence that FDev changed it as a direct result of the discussion forum meltdown from a few days ago. Do you have evidence?
I understood the point of your thread - I just thought it was unnecessary (especially given it appeared to be dripping heavily with sarcasm). Your comment above is where you stopped having a proper discussion and decided to be insulting instead, which appears consistent with your approach in that other thread.
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Honestly, people still holding on the Kickstarter 'promises' need to let go. Welcome to the world of games development and shifting targets. What may have seemed tenable at the time was based on speculative outcomes. Gamers are not predictable nor are development challenges. A kickstarter project is based on an idea and delivering on key targets. THERE IS A PLAYABLE AND IMMERSIVE GAME that you have been now playing for years. I think you can now let go of 'but I want to paint my ship for free because that's how I chose to interpret the kickstarter script'. Does not having your ship a different colour or named differently put you at a disadvantage in game? No? Then no-one is holding a gun to your head to pay for it.
Man some peoples harping on about promises and kickstarters need to get some perspective, I know that there are whole other communities out there still waiting for their hard earned cash to give them something that even resembles a game let along additions to something that has been enjoyable and playable for years...
Man some peoples harping on about promises and kickstarters need to get some perspective, I know that there are whole other communities out there still waiting for their hard earned cash to give them something that even resembles a game let along additions to something that has been enjoyable and playable for years...
My understanding was that was *exactly* the misunderstanding. Have you heard differently then?
To be clear, I'm not accusing Sandro of anything, nor berating him for doing so. I hope that I didn't come across as implying that.
I understand mistakes can happen, and sometimes people can say things which are incorrect, or misunderstood. I didn't flip out over it like many other people on the board did.
Fact: The whole ship names not appearing thing was in the patch notes for the beta.
Fact: Sandro answered the question with a resounding yes. This was a pre prepared answer.
Fact: Uproar on here and Reddit.
Fact: Now you can see ship names.
What aren't you getting?
It has been pointed out time and time again how this was not a miscommunication issue, charging to have your ship's name in other player's hud was their plan. If you think repeating the same old debunked argument is a "proper discussion" (and I should point out that the tone of your previous comment wasn't exactly "proper"), then I can't help you.
Rafe Zetter
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THIS... in spades
All companies rise and fall on the QUALITY of their offerings, and all companies ALSO know that it takes time to develop a good product, normally funded by investors.
FDev, didn't go down the road at the beginning, because they didn't want to be tied by restrictions. OK fair enough, but I really can't help feeling like FDev didn't get the money they REALLY wanted, and so the players have to keep topping them up, along with provide free beta testing.
20 years ago this was unheard of and would have been written about and mocked in every single PC related magazine in the world.
Yet another "cry me a river" thread about what was promised to you five years ago from a fledgling game company on kickstarter. Get over it, promises are made everyday to achieve; money, edge, food, water, more money, sex, a spot on the couch, shot gun in vehicle, a kiss from a girl, candy, liqueur, hotel suite and money to start developing a game. Life is not fair, game design is not a fair business. You got a really cool game from them regardless if they delivered everything as promised.
Enjoy the damn cake and forget they were a couple candles short of your age!
The best post in all this craziness:
Enjoy the damn cake and forget they were a couple candles short of your age!
The best post in all this craziness:
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