If you are refering to my post, please check my post history. I for myself hate it, if criticism isn´t backed up by evidence and arguments (and "I know things" isn´t an argument in my book).
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If you are refering to my post, please check my post history. I for myself hate it, if criticism isn´t backed up by evidence and arguments (and "I know things" isn´t an argument in my book).
"Defenders of the 'Verse vs The Warlord" would have made an absolutely bonkers great 80's kids cartoon and toyline
Playgrounds would have been filled with children playing with their Hornets and Auroras, and they even let Posh Rupert join in because his parents could afford an Idris
I bet Genuine Roberts has at least considered the possibility
Well, they're not allowed to engage in any attacks here. Even I have been suspended twice, and received infractions, for engaging them in that manner. So basically, as long as we keep reporting them, not responding, but sticking to the merits* of the argument, they have no power here.
* that's where the hilarity comes in. Once you start arguing on merits, the lolz tend to overflow. It's glorious, really. Like this one
from earlier today:
We've been down this road with you before. So you're bringing it up again as part of your usual deflection tactic, seeing as you have failed to answer a direct question you were asked.
- Chris Roberts, GamesCom, Aug 19, 2016 @ 23:36
So between Aug, 2016 and the 3.0 schedule (amid much fanfare), the 3.0 is now stated to be coming June 29th, 2017. That's 10 months since Gamescom; and 6 months since Dec 2016.
Yet, shortly after raising over $22 million* between Aug-Dec based on those LIES; right after, in Jan, they started talking about "doing a 3.0 schedule". And then in April, they released it. With a video explaining - gasp - how difficult it is to make a schedule.
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08/16, $4,494,327
09/16, $2,315,704
10/16, $5,215,403
11/16, $7,776,767
12/16, $3,021,676Your turn.
No, it wasn't a reference to your post.
Its so funny that all the white knights pick up this line of argument and use it to counter a question while being blind to the obvious problem at hand. Oh sorry, you are not a white knight of course
Yeah he said "try" CiG doesnt give definites as if that in itself wasnt odd-looking already and any they gave in the past they missed. so if CR states that they are going to build the best game ever or 3.0 will make an appearance THIS year why do you selectively believe THAT? Are you cherry picking what you want to believe and refuse to see reality?
But back to the funny part. Out of ONE online discussion ONE white knight decides to demonstrate how utter blind and delusional he is and suddenly EVERYBODY picks up that line and brings it up like an "amen" in church while at the same time failing to understand the implication. Simply repeat something without understanding the topic. its hard to believe we are talking about functional adults who are able to work, raise children or pay for vacation. I m just amused really
I can already see it. The new 3.0 schedule is a highly debated topic and all the drones chant the name of the lord and are looking forward to all the great times ahead BUT once 3.0 turns out to be delayed or appears in a different form SUDDENLY EVERYBODY ALREADY KNEW this would happen anybody and only the clueless were taking the posted schedule seriously......right? This happened quite a few times already in the past. Always funny to see it again
I ll make sure to have my camera ready to snap a shot once the hordes are going to backtrack stumbling over their own feet deleting their praise and defenses and instead posting "of COURSE it wouldnt made it in 2017, who believed that for a second huh? lol"
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I´m always very cautious with the word "lie". Not because of the legal implications, just out of respect for other individuals.
As I´ve mentioned earlier in this thread, I´ve got the impression that CIG has made a detailed project plan on the scale of 3.0 for the first time (because of the time they needed to prepare it, the video they made and because we have now a more or less realistic timetable for a year for the very first time). I don´t think something similar existed in August last year. So I don´t think CR gave his timeline "end of 2016" against better knowlege, I think it was more a mixture between not considering the "6 Ps" and wishful thinking (and I don´t have to be reminded that that´s nearly as worse ;-)).
What I´m absolut unhappy with is the radio silence during the rest of the year. I don´t think there is any valid excuse not to inform the backers about the inevitable delays at least around October. And marketing reasons are the only explanation that comes to mind.
The developers are regularly seen playing their tech demo with an Xbox controller - including Chris Roberts, where the trained eye can see, that he never has hold a game controller outside his smoke & mirrors events. Also the official SC HOTAS manufacturer has gone out of business before the game's release. Of course joystick support is not a priority after looking at this.
Selling the game to a kind of hardcore flight simulator audience four years ago was just an happy accident. Once that niche demography providing the initial funding was exhausted they got the arcade-pew-pew audience on board, too. Now they have to deal with the fact that they've lied to at least one group about the character of the game to cash in on both.
Neither will get what they want. Enjoy your Frankenstein flight model.
Is it ok if I just enjoy DCS instead? Even though my ED launcher issue has now been fixed, I've gotten hooked on this CCRP bombing (now that I got my head around SPI manipulation) and trying to not (completely) crash UH-1:s.
At any rate (and before I go completely off on a tangent about the joys of pitot-freezing errors), irrespective of what kind of gear they show up with on their stage(d) shows, be it connected or not, the mouse supremacy will remain until they actually implement a proper flight model and decide how that model should be controlled. The current point-and-click scheme is a direct consequence of their having to rush through that bit to actually release a semi-working executable before the natives got restless, and it's not exactly going to be easier or more popular to replace the longer they wait.
…now, if we could only convince DB to add vortex ring states and to the Asp… but that's for a completely different thread.
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Are you seriously trying to suggest that prior to CIG releasing their public 'schedule', they had no form of internal planning? Or are you suggesting that such planning was so imprecise that Chris Roberts could consider it plausible that 3.0 (as then described) could come out by the end of 2016? Because if either is remotely true, it says a great deal about the way CIG is managed, and more or less confirms what the sceptics have been saying all along.
I understand what you're saying about calling him a liar. But that's still making excuses for what was either a i) a lie ii) an attempt to defraud. Take your pick. There is NO way that this can be explained anyway as simply as you have. Delays are days, weeks, maybe a month or two. Not almost 10 months; while then announcing they were working on a schedule for something they were planning to release. A Goon put it best "a company announced they are planning to release a thing eight months after they originally planned to release it."
Aug, 2016. We're planning on releasing 3.0 as our end of year release
Dec 2016 - Mar, 2017. nothing. 2.6.x
Apr, 2017. We're working on the 3.0 schedule (for a build we were going to release FOUR months ago) as our mid-year release
As I said on Twitter a few mins ago: "In Q4/16, Chris Roberts raised $22m from gamers based on LIES. If they were investors, the SEC would be involved."
So this wasn't a lie then?
As wrote here on Jan 14, 2017
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I find it stunning that they only can release a ship they sold in 2013, in 2017 - 2018, words failed to come to my mind.
I think it'll be a combination of things. Whether or not you consider this new schedule to be set in stone, just like with the last few patches where they've made sure to release something at the very last possible moment before the self-imposed deadline, I think there will be a 3.0 release in June. But it's anyone's guess what will actually make it into that release, and how much will end up being pushed back for various obscure reasons. So the faithful will have their cake and eat it, crowing that the deadline was met as "promised", while dismissing any criticism of missing features because "obviously that was too ambitious / unnecessary for this patch".
You are absolutely right and I stand corrected. Not only atmospheres, but "underwater caves", "lightning storms", "corrosive clouds of gas" and "Cyrovolcanos" [sic]. Exciting stuff. I look forward to seeing how long it takes before there are commandos running around on those moons in their underpants, despite the claim that "Those bold (or careless) enough to step outside without a spacesuit will be killed instantly by its freezing temperatures".
I have only an opinion, based upon the facts that are available.
I think "no form of internal planning" is much too hard. But what we have seen so far (deadlines missed on a constant basis, failed sub-projects (Star Marine), constant rework of assets) leads to the assumption, that the working part of the company grew much faster, than the required management structure.
I´m not sure how I should formulate it, I don´t want to make an accusation in direction to CIG nor do I try to excuse CIG, so please try to take the gist and cope with my bad english:S:
I see the problems regarding their management, but if you have ever seen a small team grow very big in a short time, always under the pressure to present results, having to aquire and integrate new employees, always having to adapt processes to cope with the growth, I don´t see any solution to avoid management problems.
Maybe it would have been better to start small, maybe they make the additional millions they need to finish their big approach in a few years, we´ll have to wait and see...
LMAO!!!
uhm, no.
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**BREAKING NEWS**
I am hearing of "rolling layoffs" coming to the Star Citizen project. It also affects third-party teams & studios.
Gnorok has a point. Whatever management structure CIG/RSI has, it's self-evidently not the required one.
How many third-party studios are still involved with SC?
I suspect that the answer is quite possibly 'as many as want to be': i.e. none.
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