This guy gets it.
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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This guy gets it.
To all the naysayers....
The reason these sites exist is becuase there is a need for them. Can I trade using in game? Sure. But I will make half the money and take far longer looking for a route in game then using eddb. I can use that to find the optimal trade route and add filters as needed. I dont have that in game. I get a generic trad eroute. Also they might not even have the item for me to be able to trade when I get there!
And if I need to find a specific item?! WOW. that is very hard without a third party site like eddb.
Yes they are third party sites. But they are here becuase we NEED them. If we didnt the sites would thrive.
They are working hard to provide useful tools to US the community. Its not something they have to do... We should show our appreciation and support to them for all they do in helping make our lives vastly easier. They do it for us and they do it for free. They have no obligation to provide these tools to us.
If you feel you dont need thier hard work then dont use thier tools. But those of us who use thier tools SHOULD rally behind them not against them. They can just as easily NOT make these tools and then where will we be?
Take world of warcraft for example....some addons on ther ehave over a MILLION people in the world using them.....Wow has basicaly come out and said they know and understand people use addons and support it.
Imagine raids in wow without DBM and vent and other addons haha xD
And look at the in game tools. From a lore perspective why is it in this 3000+ year as we travel the galaxy we have terrible computer and communication systems? I mean if I scan planets and so forth to get "up to date" information then sell the data why is it not automaticly updated with ALL the other stations and systems? And from there why not let it be purchasable as one big map "current map"?
Same with trading....you have a website in 2017 that can keep track of it all.....why cant we have the same IN game when the year is 3000?!
Just food for thought
Anyways I for one support these developers....especially those who do eddb
Agree 100%
Well your ignorance is clearly showing here - they're asking for more support on a product that helps FDev. The alternative action is to pull all the sites down and given that tens of thosuands of players use it, I think that would be bad for the game in that thousands of players would probably quit.
If though you can provide a compelling reason why people should work for free and provide the stuff other people can't be bothered with and then after 3 years of asking get nothing, go right ahead - I'm sure everyone here would love to hear it.
I'd imagine they're close to pulling their sites too if they're now doing this. If they continue to be ignored, I don't see why they would continue spending their money and time to do it.
It is a joined effort guys, ED would not be what is is without 3rd part tools and 3rd party tools can not exist without ED; but apparantly, the balance between them is now broken and has to be repaired. FD has the choice now to either do something more for 3rd party toolers or loose players...
I think it depends a lot on the tools.
Some of them (e.g. the ability to view non-pinned engineer blueprints remotely) are making up for missing features.
Some of them (e.g. the ability to make a heatmap of exploration via EDSM data) are really pretty niche to be wasting dev time making available in-game but ideal for 3rd-party addons.
Some of them (e.g. the ability to view the full contents of a system you've never visited) can't possibly be an in-game tool because visiting it yourself *is the game*. [1]
[1] Note: I'm not saying the existence of these is wrong or the people who use them are wrong - I use EDSM daily, for instance - but they should be viewed as high-tech versions of "players talking to each other" and shouldn't be in game for the same reason there isn't a full forum implementation inside the game. The incompleteness (and sometimes unreliability) of them is an important part of them for gameplay: it allows explorers to explore, and skilled lone traders to beat the recommendations.
A third-party tool can be "essential" (or at least a great add-on) without it having to be in-game or even a "should be in game" - which is why it's so important for Frontier to provide suitable support for them.
Dropping in from the black of lurking ...
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is a game with many impassioned followings and playstyles, from our Traders, Explorers, Patriots, Pirates, Bounty Hunters, "Sunday Drivers" to however many, many other ways we can label ourselves in how we choose to enjoy and experience what Frontier has offered us. The folks who take the time to build these third party tools are doing the same, whilst simultaneously enhancing our experience of the Eliteangerous universe.
Just as we play of game of our own will and free time, so do they in making these tools on platforms many, many of us use on a play to play basis. Just as we will stop playing a game due to "broken features", "poor customer support", or "bad development" ... these builders and developers of third party tools will stop creating and maintaining for the exact same reasons.
I support the 3rd party developers in this action.
And to them: Thank you for your efforts if everything you have built so far, in spite of the barriers and obstacles.
Fly safe CMDRs. o7
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is a game with many impassioned followings and playstyles, from our Traders, Explorers, Patriots, Pirates, Bounty Hunters, "Sunday Drivers" to however many, many other ways we can label ourselves in how we choose to enjoy and experience what Frontier has offered us. The folks who take the time to build these third party tools are doing the same, whilst simultaneously enhancing our experience of the Eliteangerous universe.Just as we play of game of our own will and free time, so do they in making these tools on platforms many, many of us use on a play to play basis. Just as we will stop playing a game due to "broken features", "poor customer support", or "bad development" ... these builders and developers of third party tools will stop creating and maintaining for the exact same reasons.
I support the 3rd party developers in this action.
And to them: Thank you for your efforts if everything you have built so far, in spite of the barriers and obstacles.
Fly safe CMDRs. o7
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What support can be offered? I don't get it. Before these sites were taken down, well, as far as I could tell, the tools were working properly. Brilliantly, I'll hazard.
Define support. What is needed when the tools work so well already.
I'm particularly carped off by EDCD going down. There was nothing to add. It represents every single ship variable in the current build. What support can make something that wasn't broken, "better"?
this is what they want, to be hired by FD to remake the tools. part of the big ol plan. leaches if u ask me. supporters have gown dependant on them,fact is you can play without them like we did from day 1, try it
5-minute Rattatoon job ... just to make a point ...
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I support this action.
Hopefully will the devs listen to you and begin having a mature and positive stance.
Hopefully will the devs listen to you and begin having a mature and positive stance.
Anyone saying "well I did it this way so you don't need them" Your not wrong. You just apparently don't value your time as much as the average player does.
I had an email a couple of weeks ago, from FD asking me to "Come back to Elite: Dangerous". Without these third party tools providing support that is very unlikely to happen. They provide me with vital clues or trends, to where or when I should go, depending on what my needs are at the time. FD need to realise, that the days of pen and paper are long gone.
Just my opinion of course. Play your own way, always.
Just my opinion of course. Play your own way, always.
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By the maker I hope this isn't a money grab. I've seen mention of "donations" in this thread.
I support this initiative! Communication has always been an issue with Frontier!
This is not what is in OP, it is about lack of communication as far as I understand it. Re-read history in OP please ...
And what is meant by support?
Quicker fixes to API issues? Priority fixes? Perhaps implementing new features they want. Of course, all very important to the 3rd party sites and the community, things the community will really appreciate. Look, just look how many people support this feature. What? You don't want to do it this week? Right, we will be taking our sites offline again!
Yeah, i'm (hopefully) misrespesenting things here, but their choice of action here doesn't make me too opitmistic.
Ok then. Shut the sites down and we'll see what happens.
Do the sites help with certain things? Hells yes.
Do they make certain aspects much easier? Hells yes.
Are any of them actually vital? No.
and that wont happen. 3rd party dev's will be more than to happy to put their sites back online after this weekend, because they know others will fill their space pretty quickly.
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