#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.

[Kraytex1]

3rd party creators should stop being so childish.

If they want support, they should charge a subscription to players that use the services.. simple.

Unfortunately I was born in a time, where you had to figure stuff out for yourself instead of reading guides and being told how to play the game.

 

[Smokey Samson]

I support our 3rd party devs. I know for a fact that their tools have helped me convince at least 3 people to purchase this game. Without them I know I wouldn't enjoy the game as much as I do, nor would I have purchased cosmetic upgrades for my expensive ships that I wouldn't have had the money to purchase without these tools.

o7

 

[Connolly91]

Reading through it seems what third party tools encourage most of all is laziness...pen and paper folks, that's how we did it in 1984!

Yes and I'm sure you're using a dial up connection to post this? Technology has advanced old man, if you choose not to use it and be disadvantaged that's your perogative but don't chastise others for making use of it.

Elite Dangerous and Frontier Developments should be damn pleased and humbled at the community support this game has, to the point of developing third party apis, and other such things to 'help fill the gaps' in the Elite universe.

It is not unreasonable for those developers to want a little reciprocity.

When you're showing a newbie potential ship builds, do you use in-game resources to do it? No. You use EDShipyard or Coriolis.

Elite Dangerous only allows you to pin one engineer recipe. Inara has every single blueprint, every single commodity and material and where best to find them. EDEngineer even allows you to bring up an in-game overlay that reads the contents of your materials/storage and tells you what engineering you can do.

(Of course, with engineering actually being completely broken with 2.3.02 that's potentially moot).

Third party tools make the game better, end of discussion.

 

[EUS]

3rd party devs have my support, I use captain's log extensively. The other day i found a new material. It's taking up valuable space, do I need it for any engineering? The game cannot tell me. inara can, and did.

I fully support your boycott.
These tools are what should be in game, but for whatever reasons, never will be.

Shame on FD for their pitiful communication.

 

[h347h]

There are NO demands here. We did not write WE DEMAND. We wrote suggestions which we feel could oil the wheels between Frontier and the 3rd-party tool developers. You have zero grounds to make that claim.

Lastly, I am of the opinion that you are severely overreacting and that you have entirely misread the OP.

Regards.

A strike is a demand though.

 

[Warptrooper]

Oh wow....

I never realized HOW GARBAGE this game is without 3rd party tools / websites.

The number of comments and pages here is a clear indication of how many people agree with the above statement.

Fdev, you better respond to this.

 

[Rummie]

Hi everyone. Just letting you know we've seen the thread. Please be patient while we bring this to the attention of the developers.

Just quickly want to mention that we always try to communicate as openly and effectively with our community as possible, and we appreciate all the hard work that goes in to the maintenance of these useful sites and tools.

I have also sent a PM to the OP, too

Thanks for your patience everyone!

Um Ya Ed will get right on that patience bit.

 

[knowles2]

I'd just like to address this point, Agony.

That is frankly a load of tosh.

No actual demands are being made. The letter is as salt-free and as professional as we could make it.

The sites 'strike' is completely understandable - read the History section and you should be able to understand why this action was felt necessary in the form it was. If you think it was only going to be a case of "We'll just send a PM and receive a 'We'll pass this on' and hear nothing again for weeks/months/never", then think again - you are being naive.

There are NO demands here. We did not write WE DEMAND. We wrote suggestions which we feel could oil the wheels between Frontier and the 3rd-party tool developers. You have zero grounds to make that claim.

Lastly, I am of the opinion that you are severely overreacting and that you have entirely misread the OP.

Regards.

You shutting down the sites turn these suggestions into demands. The fact you can't just admit it just make you two fact about it. Which reminds me very much how trade unions act.

 

[Lucifer Hate]

Fully support the 3rd part devs, they really add to the game and make it playable. Hope you can get FD into a dialog.

o7

While I find these tools useful, they do not make the game playable. It was playable before the tools and will be if they close down the tools, the tools make it easier yes but they dont make it playable

 

[Monk]

Hmmm, about 3 hours 10 minute and 50 (+) pages already. That may say something even if it's only that opinion is highly divided. I suspect it's a bit deeper than that though.

One side just wants to use the tools that enhance their enjoyment of the game...the other side thinks the tool users are not manly enough to play the game "correctly"

 

[gooddoc]

This action has already served it's purpose.

Since this thread went live, I'v not been playing Elite, Iv been reading the posts about it, job done!

 

[Calebe]

3rd party support means one thing, those who create them are passionate about the game and want to help others at the same time. I think FD should help support them not financially buy with an open line of communication they can reach out to so they can help them help the rest of us.
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Calebe

 

[Taimaru]

For those in the UK, W.H. Smith have up to a 1/2 price sale on Notepads. Get them now whilst you can and you won't need these 3rd party tools.

 

[Moonax IRL]

[up] Best of luck lads/lassies. ye provide a very good service and deserve all the support ye can get, until FD get the finger out and provide a proper in game ship computer and UI.

 

[Arkku]

3rd party creators should stop being so childish.

If they want support, they should charge a subscription to players that use the services.. simple.

Not so simple: as long as Frontier does not support the 3rd party developers, the 3rd party developers can not guarantee any service for their customers, so they would be charging money for a service that may stop working tomorrow if Frontier decides that they no longer provide that API. (And I believe they would look a lot less favourably on paid tools than free ones.)

 

[Txakal]

Tools are made to make our live easier, even considering that in most of the occasions its use is not essential: think about forks, drills, hammers, ball-pens, whatever you want. In fact, a proof that third party tools are useful to a good bunch of people playing ED, is the fact that most of us are really off that we cannot use INARA, Coriolis, etc.

I don't like strikes, and I don't like having to give up using EDDB or Captain's Log because of a certainly untimely -thinking about the event of Saturday 29th- protest. But I fully understand the arguments of 3rd party tool developers asking for greater support by FDev, and a bit of love for their work. So, although I don't like the strike, I fully support the protest and also kindly ask FDev to positively consider the, mostly, reasonable suggestions and comments made by the OP.

In my opinion, third party tools provide some good solutions for those parts of ED where, right now, there are some problems/weaknesses related to in-game information management and usability. For sure I would prefer to have these problems solved inside ED, but third party tools offer a good compromise (even having to use them from outside the game) to provide a more pleasure game experience for a lot of people, and I'm grateful for it [yesnod]

TL;DR: my full support to the suggestions made by 3rd party developers to FDev.

 

[SciTrekker]

Reading through it seems what third party tools encourage most of all is laziness...pen and paper folks, that's how we did it in 1984!

Saving time = Laziness? I don't see that in Webster's definition. It's also no longer 1984. Since then, humanity has learned that combining efforts and sharing information helps everyone. Even in something as insignificant as a video game.

For those in the UK, W.H. Smith have up to a 1/2 price sale on Notepads. Get them now whilst you can and you won't need these 3rd party tools.

One's notes are only as good as the places you've been to take those notes. These 3rd party tools provide information one doesn't have in their notes.

 

[Kraytex1]

For those in the UK, W.H. Smith have up to a 1/2 price sale on Notepads. Get them now whilst you can and you won't need these 3rd party tools.

Wooahh I still have mine from BETA!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

You said:



You can't support what they're doing? You can't remember you said that? You wrote it 10 minutes ago mate.,

Yes, exactly. I can't support what they are doing. I'm not saying they can or can't take their sites down. That's up to them. They run those sites of their own free will. But i am free to express my opinion and support (or lack of) for their actions, which is exactly what most posters here are doing.

So basically you just misinterpreted what i said.

Its ok, its understandable. Easy to do when convesations are very active.

 

[robbyp]

Hi everyone. Just letting you know we've seen the thread. Please be patient while we bring this to the attention of the developers.

Just quickly want to mention that we always try to communicate as openly and effectively with our community as possible, and we appreciate all the hard work that goes in to the maintenance of these useful sites and tools.

I have also sent a PM to the OP, too

Thanks for your patience everyone!

I, along with my fellow devs, have put many hundreds of hours into tools supporting your game. All for free.

We are not expecting any payments, but the least we could expect back is some support, information when things are changing before they change, and maybe the occasional mention on the newsletters/video streams (I see plenty of coverage of people making videos etc, which of course are great, but are they really more important than all the tools people use ever day to play this game?)

Rob