If I were FD I'd shut down the servers for three days with an 'or else...' message. 
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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I would not enjoy the game half as much without the tools made by you guys. You have my full support in your protest against what seems to be a relatively trivial effort on behalf of the developers to resolve. Certainly trivial in comparison to the value add you "give" to their product. Hope they hear your call and listen!
Keep up the good work, it's much appreciated [heart]
Keep up the good work, it's much appreciated [heart]
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So you are all happy for 3.x to be delayed in favour of tool support then? Cool... cool.
If those are the choices, then yes.
No more shiny half-ased placeholders.
But this discussion is not about that, and you know it.
t's impossible for me to continue playing Elite without the third party who works to fill the holes left by FD who leaves us with a bug-filled update of lack of respect of player. Have continued to play largely through the strength of the community and the information it disseminates
Thank you for your work
Thank you for your work
We are supposed to be in the year 3303 (over 1200 years into the future) considering how far we have advanced in the last 300 years, the technological advances in many areas would be immeasurable. And yet, FD have presented us with a simulation that although we have a faster than light drive; we seems to have computers reminiscent of a ZX Spectrum. Surely we should be able to ascertain the best price to buy goods or ships or modules for these ships? Would not the purveyors of these items advertise this information – this goes for passengers to be carried. Our ships computers should be able to retain routes and historical information on where we have been – I mean tachographs, sats navs, mobile phones all do that today. And where is the ability to manage a group(player faction) within the game?
Many of these third party tools provide this information which, I believe is game enhancing. I am not part of the ‘lets do it the hard way brigade’ – this kind of information should be available in-game but that is probably beyond the scope of ED or its servers and FD should communicate their intentions regarding the companion API and open dialogue with the 3rd party programmers.
I’m also mystified by the statements that the timing will damage the event due on 29th – surely this proves that there is a demand for this information if its absence is going to cause so many problems.
Many of these third party tools provide this information which, I believe is game enhancing. I am not part of the ‘lets do it the hard way brigade’ – this kind of information should be available in-game but that is probably beyond the scope of ED or its servers and FD should communicate their intentions regarding the companion API and open dialogue with the 3rd party programmers.
I’m also mystified by the statements that the timing will damage the event due on 29th – surely this proves that there is a demand for this information if its absence is going to cause so many problems.
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Just because you write something as a suggestion doesn't mean that. You are taking the sites offline to highlight the fact you're not getting what you want and giving a list of what you consider to be reasonable "suggestions" and I'm guessing that if those aren't given then you're just put the sites back up and carry on regardless...?
Perhaps you can answer this, as the suggestions that are made require some major changes to the way things are done at the moment and put the development and wishes of 3rd party providers right up the top of the priority list don't they?
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support these excellant sites
Well this sucks for sure. But if it will get their attention you have my support! I use the hell out of those tools, and it's a shame that FDEV has taken this approach on the subject. If I was a dev, I'd welcome and do my best to support a 3rd party who's making these kind of tools as it would save me the trouble of doing it......just sayin
Well, said!
I doubt very much the individuals involved in this action came to this choice easily - I suspect significant issues have been brewing and coming to a head for a long time (indeed the OP alludes to this).
At the end of the day, these individuals are dedicating huge amounts of their time and effort to tools that undoubtably benefit the community and therefore FD. If these individuals feel FD are taking this for granted, and that ultimately the only way to get noticed is to remove their tools, so be it.
IT'S THEIR WEBSITES and THEIR TOOLS provided at THEIR EXPENSE in both TIME and MONEY!
No one has any right to criticise their action given it's entirely their projects run entirely at their own expense and effort. What would people prefer, that these individuals instead keep soldiering on getting more and more frustrated, until in the end, through complete frustration the websites and tools disappear due to them being shutdown and no longer supported?
The fact anyone feels they have the right to criticise these individuals astounds me personally.
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Silly me I was under the impression that step one in striking is actually threatening to strike before actually striking.
Strike!
Not to worry I don't use them anyway
Strike!
Not to worry I don't use them anyway
My god, I thought this community couldn't get any worse.
I absolutely guarantee that virtually EVERYONE here has used ONE of the tools in question at least ONCE since they started playing. Perhaps they wanted to check a commodity was available at a certain system, or that their ship loadout would work if they changed a power module. I bet that you didn't even think about who maintains these tools, on a daily basis, to make sure you are able to perform the most mundane of tasks that is 100% IMPOSSIBLE in game.
Kudos to the vast majority who are supporting this action. I add my voice to yours, stating that without these tools, in the format they are in today, Elite Dangerous would be much, much more frustrating than it already is.
These guys get no money, no reward for their work, unless you feel you wish to donate to them - and I can't remember seeing any begging posts or pop-up windows asking for such. Frontier have obviously no real regard for these tools, and it would appear they simply take them for granted. In fact, I'd go as far to say they probably have the hubris to believe that their game doesn't really need these tools, and they're convinced their base game is sufficient.
MANY games have tools Look at Eve, I can't begin to guess how many tools exist for that game. They have an extensive API which is maintained and documented very well, and as such, the game has expanded beyond it's original goals. ED deserves the same attention, as this game should and could be a hell of a lot more than it is - as has been outlined by all the harvested salt.
Third party support is essential for any game that COULD benefit from such things. While Frontier did well wit the introduction of the Journal, it sounds like they don't consider changing things in the backend to be of any consequence to third party tools - after all, why should they care - they didn't write them, and they never asked anyone to do so.
I get this overall feeling regards to the whole play experience - it's THEIR vision, and noone else gets to decide the direction the game should be heading - regardless of the high-quality feedback this community tries to put out there.
Let's have Update 2.3.5 - The Community Update.
I absolutely guarantee that virtually EVERYONE here has used ONE of the tools in question at least ONCE since they started playing. Perhaps they wanted to check a commodity was available at a certain system, or that their ship loadout would work if they changed a power module. I bet that you didn't even think about who maintains these tools, on a daily basis, to make sure you are able to perform the most mundane of tasks that is 100% IMPOSSIBLE in game.
Kudos to the vast majority who are supporting this action. I add my voice to yours, stating that without these tools, in the format they are in today, Elite Dangerous would be much, much more frustrating than it already is.
These guys get no money, no reward for their work, unless you feel you wish to donate to them - and I can't remember seeing any begging posts or pop-up windows asking for such. Frontier have obviously no real regard for these tools, and it would appear they simply take them for granted. In fact, I'd go as far to say they probably have the hubris to believe that their game doesn't really need these tools, and they're convinced their base game is sufficient.
MANY games have tools Look at Eve, I can't begin to guess how many tools exist for that game. They have an extensive API which is maintained and documented very well, and as such, the game has expanded beyond it's original goals. ED deserves the same attention, as this game should and could be a hell of a lot more than it is - as has been outlined by all the harvested salt.
Third party support is essential for any game that COULD benefit from such things. While Frontier did well wit the introduction of the Journal, it sounds like they don't consider changing things in the backend to be of any consequence to third party tools - after all, why should they care - they didn't write them, and they never asked anyone to do so.
I get this overall feeling regards to the whole play experience - it's THEIR vision, and noone else gets to decide the direction the game should be heading - regardless of the high-quality feedback this community tries to put out there.
Let's have Update 2.3.5 - The Community Update.
All these 3rd party sites helped me tremendously. I am sad that this happened
Would you be willing to pay for third party tools?
[video=youtube;H47ow4_Cmk0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0[/video]
As someone who has used these tools since 2015 and would probably not be playing if it wasn't for their constant improvements that made it easier to plan out new ship builds and figuring out where engineer upgrades & materials are (because FDEV decided that we can only pin one blueprint from one engineer that requires you to go to said engineer and which unpins when you log out),
*deep breath*
I fully support these demands. To the 3rd party developers, thank you so much for making my elite experience so much better and hopefully FDEV does the same for you.
*deep breath*
I fully support these demands. To the 3rd party developers, thank you so much for making my elite experience so much better and hopefully FDEV does the same for you.
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All these 3rd party sites helped me tremendously. I am sad that this happened
I don't use them, but I personally think players should if they use them.
So you are all happy for 3.x to be delayed in favour of tool support then? Cool... cool.
To be honest, I think it would be an excellent idea to delay any big new features in favour of improving the basic game, which should include (among other things) either in-game replacements for some of the external tools or proper API support for third-party tools.
And if the API support is chosen, it doesn't have to mean implementing a lot of new stuff, it would go a long way even to just communicate upcoming API changes.
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