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#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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Ah the intelligentsia have arrived.
As much as radical it could have seemed, I totally approve the way of the 3d party tools, that I use a lot my self, and the swift feedback from FD.
Hear hear. +1
Amen to that!
And those are the people claiming that the "in game tools are enough". on that! While it can achieved with the poor game mechanics we have it is frustrating to do so.
And this came from a guy with 14 weeks of gameplay and counting, as many of other cmdrs.
Those tools are a really QoL necessity in this game.
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Being a Trader without the 3rd party tools is like being an explorer without the System Map.
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This!
Get back to make this game great instead of adding features that "sells the game", where players then discover they need to spend more time outside the game to do things in the game.
I am here to stay, as I have proclaimed in another thread, but seeing how much these third party tools are needed in order to play the game, I would argue that the game lacks a whole lot of features. I would rather see that you, FD, start to think about how to implement these things into the game, rather than adding fancy features and forcing us, the playerbase, to use forums, web-based applications and other tools in order to have fun in the game.
From a financial point of view, you are doing the right thing to support these third party developers; you don't have to develop these things yourself and make them work in the game. But, as a VR player, most of the third party tools just doesn't work.
Take controll of Your game, and have this thread as a reminder of what people need, in the game, not outside the game. Work towards a goal which should be; The less third party developers we need, the better our game will become!
This is in no way a diss towards the third party developers who have contributed TONS. I do thank you ALL very much... but the end goal here should really be that "third party developers are not needed".
Until that happens though, I will support all third party developers I use, because without them, Elite: Dangerous is a fairly dead game.
Because the 'Ends do not justify the means'. The group just assumed they would get no support so they opted, for the nuclear option. Because they could, and they wanted FD to know it. They used the dependency of the players, against FD. "Give us what we want, or suffer for it".
They showed complete disdain for the people that use their sites, to poke FD in the nose. What they did was no different than the tactics used to create drama, by that group bringing the Heat Mechanics to what they thought was FD attention. In that case the demonstration was derided. Killing noobs to get FD's attention was widely panned. But, because Data makes people happy, the strong arm tactics are accepted. So we applaud one group for strong arming FD, because we need their output, but doing the same by another group puts them in the ranks of griefers. We are a bunch of hypocrites, aren't we?
Touched a nerve did we? Don't like the result? The above was not the subject at all. It's all about the actions taken to accomplish it and the negative effect it had on many. Ridicule or ignore it as desired but that won't make it go away. You made your point. Live with the results.
NO, they opted for the nuclear option because they are frustrated, like a great many of us are, but while most of us just play the game they code and develop and program tools to use with it, for free public use. That's a huge amount of work on their part, work which could be made much less and simpler with just some basic communication from Frontier when they change things.
The 3rd parties didn't do this to punish the players, they did it because they are tired of being disrespected for the value they add to this game. Think about that the next time you go to post about how horrible they are for wanting some communication.
Frontier did a solid here today in talking with them so quickly, good job on them.
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LOL good reply! Still the better question is can't the 3rd party groups see why they didn't have to? Appears not. Hopefully they do now.
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A big thank you to all the developers of third party tools for your continued hard work that contributed to making Elite Dangerous as popular as it is today. It's hard to imagine playing the game without your tools nowadays.
I must also thank Frontier for quickly coming to the negotiating table to bring about a speedy resolution to this episode.
With everyone busy completing their own tasks and meeting their deadlines, people often forget to communicate with each other and non-urgent but important issues often get overlooked. However, it's clear from the outset that the EDCD team were looking for a long term solution that would benefit Frontier, the 3rd party developers and of course the players, and Frontier responded positively in kind.
Kudos all round for working together to solve problems. [up]
I must also thank Frontier for quickly coming to the negotiating table to bring about a speedy resolution to this episode.
With everyone busy completing their own tasks and meeting their deadlines, people often forget to communicate with each other and non-urgent but important issues often get overlooked. However, it's clear from the outset that the EDCD team were looking for a long term solution that would benefit Frontier, the 3rd party developers and of course the players, and Frontier responded positively in kind.
Kudos all round for working together to solve problems. [up]
Right?
Who even need system map anyway, all the info you need is there in the SC HUD and in game. Wanna know what kind of planet is that one 5000ls away? Fly to it and see for yourself. Wanna know what materials are on the surface? Land, break some rocks and write down the contents. It's so easy that the system map feels like cheating.
So they let the terrorists win. [mad]
yeah...that's totally the responsibility of an unpaid third party. Not like Fdev should be handling this at all. /s
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TOTALLY! You should sit there with a pencil and graph paper and map out the systems yourself!
Let me get this straight...
You are advocating for a game where you need to go outside the game in order to store data? Am I reading that correct?
If so, wouldn't it be a good thing to have a Notepad inside the game to write things down? Why should I have to leave the game in order to record notes, I wonder?
I'm presuming he's being sarcastic but honestly it's hard to tell around here sometimes.
Terrorists? Please tell me that you are not calling the 3rd party support devs terrorists? Surely you aren't, are you?
Would you prefer that Captain's Log, Coriolis, ED-Board, Elite Dangerous Codex, EDDB, ED Shipyard, EDSM, and INARA all simply went away instead? They don't have to bother doing any of this, they could just close shop tomorrow and not bother anymore, and play the game like all of us instead of programming for it for free. Would that make you happier?
Maybe if you feel that they are on par with terrorists then you should stop using all of the tools they provide as a protest. I mean you surely don't want to use anything developed by terrorists, right? There you go, just stop using these free 3rd party tools. Moral problem solved Thrustmaster, enjoy!
Or maybe instead of insulting the people who make your game experience a better one, you could just say "thank you"?
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Yeah... and I might come across as stale and all that, but... it is better to be diplomatic and listen since sarcasm is hard to read if there aren't any smileys around.
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