THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

[jojon]

It might not be unfathomable that each clone could have a few deliberate appearence-only devations from the originating strain, specifically to make them less conspicious, especially if there are many of them, and in particular with one such as Kahina being a public figure.

At the end of Reclamation, K is still a bit of an unpleasant person (you who are regulars here may know more of any arc following that, that I am not aware on - dunno), but I would by no means say evil, so unless there exist such things as "blank" clone bodies, any preserved tape should reasonably only result in K's memories becoming part of an altogether different individual, like R's might, to whichever clone could get her hands on them - have a bit of a hard time imagining our presumably good guys pulling an Octavia...

For that matter - would a hypothetical duplicate of K have it in her personality to have the sense to lie low? :7
I have a not seen the Last Temptation of Christ, but as far as I've picked up, the gist of it is that the fellow on the cross is tempted with a second lease of life, but floating the notion with his disciples, he finds himself met with a: "No, pace off - you're worth ten times as much as a martyr".

EDIT: Hmm, ok, trying this: "Why do I keep listening to your plying trac, you miserable brackets?! Doints! Divs!"
Edit2: O, k, seems to work... for now... : P

 

[Harley Quinn]

For my part, I'll just restate what I've said. Col 70 is effectively a huge bubble/sphere (approx 1,000 ly in diameter) however, there are large bubbles within it which are not permit locked. These are not Col 70 sector systems. These include Witchead, Trapezium, Spirograph, Orion Dark, an NGC group and various others. Horsehead Dark is in there but is locked.

When one of the unlocked bubbles is near the edge of the Col 70 bubble, the result is effectively a wall of locked Col 70 systems.

The wall is thin and easily jumpable or even fully breached in places allowing you into the various unlocked bubbles.

What I was not able to find was any unlocked systems completely within a Col 70 piece of space, i.e. where it is surrounded on all sides by permit locked Col 70 systems. I did find plenty of HIPs, etc. completely within Col 70 pieces of space, but all were locked.

Denali may have found some unlocked HIPs completely within Col 70 pieces of space however. Over to Denali for more info on that front.

Cheers, all helps for when I start chasing the wild geese again.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Cheers, all helps for when I start chasing the wild geese again.

Sometimes, the permit lock text doesn't appear straight away (presumably due to network lag or some such). Often, when it happens, the text doesn't appear until you hover over the plot route icon. I've been briefly excited over it in the past before I realised what was happening.

 

[G4RY]

Not of its a penguin, with or without axe.
Would go for a decent decal though; maybe representing Zurara plus the squarerigger that is on the old Rifters badge.

<<< Yes, that penguin took my little wolfy companion's eye out. Never again am i visiting that bar in Persephone.

Sound's good to me, a decal or a bobble head. [up] If Canonn can get there's, shouldn't be a problem for the biggest mystery in the game surely... maybe..

..Update..

Ok so i'm reading multiple destinations here that people are heading to, to find another clue or something to latch on to.

Can i just ask what it is we are looking for? just anything or..

 

[Zeeman]

<<< Yes, that penguin took my little wolfy companion's eye out. Never again am i visiting that bar in Persephone.

Sound's good to me, a decal or a bobble head. [up] If Canonn can get there's, shouldn't be a problem for the biggest mystery in the game surely... maybe..

A grinning Drew bobblehead would have been very apt over the last 2 odd years.

Z...

 

[OBYOZ]

<<< Yes, that penguin took my little wolfy companion's eye out. Never again am i visiting that bar in Persephone.

Sound's good to me, a decal or a bobble head. [up] If Canonn can get there's, shouldn't be a problem for the biggest mystery in the game surely... maybe..

..Update..

Ok so i'm reading multiple destinations here that people are heading to, to find another clue or something to latch on to.

Can i just ask what it is we are looking for? just anything or..

I'm searching for nothing, at least I know my mission will be successful :/

 

[eadghe]

Ok, here is my massive tinfoil on the cloning theory:

Spoiler

Kahina is a clone of R or a clone from the same host R is a clone off. This host had some supernatural talent for piloting and has therefore being used for cloning from whatever organisation (be it the Dark Wheel or otherwise). In reclamation they talk a couple of times how easy it is for K to learn to pilot a ship. R knows that K is her clone (or from the same host, i.e. basically herself). Luko works together with R and brings K to the right place (hospital) so that R can meet her and give her an impulse to continue her work. How did Luko find her (and we all think it unlikely that he was really marooned on this planet for 20 years)? When they cloned K they could implemented a secret transponder or such in order to find her no matter where she goes. Ks parents could be either hexedited to belief that she is their daughter or otherwise convinced that its in their best interest to accept her as their daughter. This would also explain that they don't really love her as if she was their real child.
I don't know how Dalk fits into this because he, very conveniently, trains her but he seems to have his own agenda. Maybe he was hexedited as well.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

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If we do that ... then we need a plan.

A cunning plan my lord!
but I agree. I think there are clues to be followed up in the Teorge logs, a Galnet article or newsletter said there were abandoned ships (plural) in the Dynasty expedition so I think there are at least two more to find, there is stuff happening in Col70 and other areas that we can try to elucidate (word for the day!), and we can go back through the Galnet history to pull out more clues-anything that is trivial and apparently not related might actually be a clue if it's not player submitted.

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It's actually really good press for Frontier. It generates interest. Makes people think, "maybe there's more to this game than I thought."

There almost certainly is, though equally almost certainly there is stuff we think is in (or should be) that FD haven't put in (like all the satellites supposedly deployed at ELW by Dynasty expedition! One of the logs says they were there for two months, so where are all the satellites?). The trouble is the size of the ED galaxy and odds against finding something. I visited Zurara last week and the one thing that struck me were the number of systems nearby that had been discovered that were so close.

And for what it's worth I think Raxxla is going to be a rocky or icy moon with no distinguishing features that only a fanatical explorer will visit without some good clues. Then he'll go through the gateway to Andromeda and never be heard from again so we'll never hear about it!

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Question to ask:

Why was Salome near 46 Eridani? What was she looking for in that area?

If you build it content may come!

DBX 59ly max jump

I'm out here looking with 55ly max jump range and still not seeing anything deep in col 70 that I can get to.

Not just 46 Eridani, but the two or three systems (HIP ????) that she visited in the run up to the event.

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Drew did keep throwing the word 'Core' around

I'm pretty sure the Teorge listening posts are new - there are too many of them for them to be missed by accident and I can't believe that nobody from the Rifters or Canonn (or just somebody who pays vague attention to the forums) passed through Teorge for any significant amount of time.

I wasted all my 'directed searching' time on Greek mythological systems

There is no "waste", you have merely ruled out a lot of possibilities which is therefore a very good thing!

Edit: of course FD can always retcon something into one of those systems, so you now need to recheck every week. Hope you can spare the time!

 

[Han_Zen]

Ok, here is my massive tinfoil on the cloning theory:

Spoiler

Kahina is a clone of R or a clone from the same host R is a clone off. This host had some supernatural talent for piloting and has therefore being used for cloning from whatever organisation (be it the Dark Wheel or otherwise). In reclamation they talk a couple of times how easy it is for K to learn to pilot a ship. R knows that K is her clone (or from the same host, i.e. basically herself). Luko works together with R and brings K to the right place (hospital) so that R can meet her and give her an impulse to continue her work. How did Luko find her (and we all think it unlikely that he was really marooned on this planet for 20 years)? When they cloned K they could implemented a secret transponder or such in order to find her no matter where she goes. Ks parents could be either hexedited to belief that she is their daughter or otherwise convinced that its in their best interest to accept her as their daughter. This would also explain that they don't really love her as if she was their real child.
I don't know how Dalk fits into this because he, very conveniently, trains her but he seems to have his own agenda. Maybe he was hexedited as well.

Teorge description from the Dark Wheel:
'Teorge… an inhabited world… settled by two colony ships that had proceeded to clone a select few of the crew and colonists, killing the others. For centuries Teorge had been a world apart, cut off from the normal flow of trade and commerce, and banned from sending representatives into space.'

I guess Elyssia and the others after her were form a decent pilot. Not supernatural, in the case of Kahina at least.

I don't know how it fits the new lore, but cloning used to be the preferred reproduction technique in the Empire. If the Loren family cloned all their kids, it wouldn't be that hard to switch the Kahina DNA at some point.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Safe to assume that "watch your six" was quite literally a warning to watch your sixth last jump. Rebecca was quite the prophet...

Possibly, but also if you watch your six (look behind you) from the Rift you see the Heart & Soul nebula, and one of them almost looks like the head & arm of a man pointing at something, which I think is the area of the FRift bases.
Or it could just be a general warning to be careful.

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Some random thoughts:

Spoiler

So ... apparently Rebecca participated in the Dynasty Expedition. In Altera she returned from the edge of the galactic arm, having already wiped her own memory, and having no recollection of having discovered anything while out there. Yet she also had information that she was delivering to the Tionisla Historical Society for safe keeping. Could this have been information regarding Exodus/Dynasty?

Apparently she took part in the 3270 expedition. As the sole survivor she wiped her mind but not before leaving herself some clues to retrace her steps. Whoever is behind Exodus, represented by the cloaked man who met her at Coulter City, further wiped her memories and provided her with a new life: that of a simple librarian.

Rebecca somehow managed to send herself a message letting her know that she was actually an Elite pilot and "waking" her from this false existence. She once again sets off to try and rediscover herself and the truth ... leading her to find the Zurara in 3273. Two years later she records the Teorge logs in 3275.

What she accomplished after those logs were recorded is anyone's guess. Did she delete the memories again? Or did someone forcibly erase them? I don't think we have any additional record of her until she meets Salome in 3300 at the hospital in Reclamation.

In any case ... the possibility "The Old Woman" being Elyssia Fields appears to be impossible ... but there might still be a connection.

In "And Here the Wheel" we learn that The Dark Wheel has always been led by a member of the Ryder family. Elyssia Fields was Alex Ryder's companion in the now non-canonical Dark Wheel novella. Still ... in the canonical novel And Here the Wheel we are told that Alex Ryder did exist in this version of history and had two sons: Oberon and Neptune Ryder. Both children had names linked to Greek mythology. Elyssia's brood mother (Elyssia was a clone) had an interest in Greek mythology ... and hence Elyssia's rather poetic name.

If Elyssia had been Alex's domestic partner and if we take the Children of Raxxla's origin story at face value then it is very likely that Elyssia and Rebecca knew each other through common connections to The Dark Wheel. Elyssia's influence on Rebecca would explain why Rebecca hid so much of the Exodus Conspiracy in a wrapper of Greek myth.

If there is anyone still alive who knows about the powers behind Exodus then, perhaps, that person is Neptune Ryder. We should keep a close watch on The Dark Wheel... if we assume that The Dark Wheel of Shinrarta Dhezra is the same Dark Wheel from the orginal Elite.

Was with you until the bit about Elyssia being TOW; I thought the whole point was that TOW of Reclamation was Rebecca, and she guided Salomé (her clone) onto the FRift mystery as a way of getting it out into the open at last. She (R) would have been monitored too closely for her to do that herself. Salomé had the connections, and character, of an Imperial senator so would have been a good mouthpiece for Rebecca to expose the conspiracy. But Salomé was silenced, by Patreus and Aisling, so they are almost certainly involved. It makes sense therefore to closely examine anything to do with those two.

I still want to know haow Rebecca foisted her clone onto the Loren family, and why they accepted her. That in itself may be a clue. I am also confused about clones; since they are grown in a laboratory why do they need a family? Rebecca had one but they were murdered & they were supposedly simple traders.

Edit: ah, had forgotten hexedit, but that doesn't explain her family

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Yesterday I tried to scan through GalNet, but the latest news on the GalNet website is from around April 3301. Where are the older Galnet articles?

I wanted to checkout systems that got mentioned in GalNet without apparent connection to the story arcs.

 

[DLewth]

...And for what it's worth I think Raxxla is going to be a rocky or icy moon with no distinguishing features that only a fanatical explorer will visit without some good clues. Then he'll go through the gateway to Andromeda and never be heard from again so we'll never hear about it!

So, it's possible it's already been found by a quite a few people... Anyone suddenly vanish from your friends list?

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

So, it's possible it's already been found by a quite a few people... Anyone suddenly vanish from your friends list?

If it has been found nobody can do anything because we can't land on a planet with atmosphere.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Very well said and exactly what I'm hoping some combined, continued effort will bring into the game. I don't think anyone every realized how much they lean on the players and how much they want us to make the story. As a gamer, that's an impressive evolution in gaming given the scale of options.



My home system isn't far from there. It would show up in my regular mission runs while I was getting engineer stuff and I never noticed anything special about it. (found that very funny during the event, that I payed to have my ship transported all the way across the bubble just to jump like made back to my home dock, get in my gunship cause things had gotten crazy, and still beat the main characters to Teorge).



Perhaps the only way to get the answer's were looking for is to push the Dark Wheel... Run missions for them, speculate on what we're doing, hope FDev notices and hide clues in the missions or in how they expand. Perhaps those clues are already there?



You can't write a novel around the idea that they jumped ALL THAT WAY for the start of this event just because it fit some cryptic myth related puzzle. The characters in the story have to have a reason for being in that part of space. There must be something there, even if it isn't in game yet!



As eadghe says below, 60ly on an AspX isn't easy! You can use a lot of the same parts from the AspX on a DBX though. The only thing you really have to give up is one of 2 AMFU's and I've never needed the first one myself.

-Enhanced low power shields will half the weight of your shield gen.
-Heavy duty on lightweight armor = all bonus no mass gain.
-lightweight everything else. [sensors, life support, weapons, heat sinks. Another thing to consider here- not all parts have a specific weight reducing recipe but every recipe has a chance to reduce mass by chance. My distributor for instance has a reduced weight secondary.
-Undersized everything possible; 2a Power plant even unmodded is enough, 2d distributor with g3 Engine focused will let you boost still.

If you really want to push your range you should consider substituting the security of a large fuel tank for the assurance of good planing.




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Whoever is behind the rift may have another leak.

I spotted this on the Canonn thread but got distracted. Is it the same guy who left a data package out at Colonia, there was an LP detection of him a while ago. Or is this a separate weft?

 

[eadghe]

So, it's possible it's already been found by a quite a few people... Anyone suddenly vanish from your friends list?

Salomé did..

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Ok, here is my massive tinfoil on the cloning theory:

Spoiler

Kahina is a clone of R or a clone from the same host R is a clone off. This host had some supernatural talent for piloting and has therefore being used for cloning from whatever organisation (be it the Dark Wheel or otherwise). In reclamation they talk a couple of times how easy it is for K to learn to pilot a ship. R knows that K is her clone (or from the same host, i.e. basically herself). Luko works together with R and brings K to the right place (hospital) so that R can meet her and give her an impulse to continue her work. How did Luko find her (and we all think it unlikely that he was really marooned on this planet for 20 years)? When they cloned K they could implemented a secret transponder or such in order to find her no matter where she goes. Ks parents could be either hexedited to belief that she is their daughter or otherwise convinced that its in their best interest to accept her as their daughter. This would also explain that they don't really love her as if she was their real child.
I don't know how Dalk fits into this because he, very conveniently, trains her but he seems to have his own agenda. Maybe he was hexedited as well.

Kahina met Luka after being in hospital, it was Hassan who brought Kahina there.

I do hope that not everyone is related like in Star Wars, in which the whole saga is revolving around a single family.

Edit: Luka Luko

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Cheers for that. I'm extremely surprised to hear that an Anaconda is apparently able to be engineered to a level whereby it can out jump an ASP Explorer. I'm thinking something is wrong with that. But, if that's the case, I guess I'll look into obtaining one on my return.

Bigger ship, bigger FSD, longer range, more module space, but turns like a pig in treacle. Mine is fully equipped with fighter &weapons, four shield boosters, three heat sinks, cargo scanner, dual AFMU, dual SRV & she has 53-55ly.

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Thanks for the tips. I have still got a 32t fuel tank, and Class 6A Fuel Scoop. However, looking at the link you provided - the 70ly range on the Anaconda (I can't believe it) - I'm thinking I have the wrong ship altogether now (weird in view of the fact it's supposedly designed for exploration).

That Annie might have 70ly, but with no shields and no boost she can't go anywhere near a high G planet, can't do much of anything. But you could add a few gizmos and get something useful. Play around in EDCD, the latest version lets you add in engineer mods. Lightweight sensors does a lot for the Annie.

 

[Zeeman]

... I am also confused about clones; since they are grown in a laboratory why do they need a family? Rebecca had one but they were murdered & they were supposedly simple traders.

Because one may not want them to know they are clones.

Also, if you can hexedit, chances are, you can also condition a brain to be triggered to do something (much like River in Serenity).

Z...

 

[eadghe]

Kahina met Luka after being in hospital, it was Hassan who brought Kahina there.

I do hope that not everyone is related like in Star Wars, in which the whole saga is revolving around a single family.

Hmm, I might have confused this in which case, forget what I've said...