Ah, my bad, I missed that post. Thanks for the correction. Still, talking about this repercussion like it's the decided thing is really annoying me.
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Please enlighten me.
Ideally the system would have some idea of your skill level, based on your previous victories, combat rank, etc. Information like this can be tracked and a player score created - heck it could be published in stats and bragging rights could ensue
Link please, cos I missed it.
You've lost me, I think. It doesn't matter who you reply to, you should avoid a straw man.
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Even offer a black box recovery mission to get your data back.
How would I know that player is carrying exploration data?
Well lets be honest... there is loads of stuff frontier could to add depth to the exploration side of the game, a new group dedicated to collecting black boxes with players exploration data?
It's off topic, but I do like the idea. I was kind of hoping for something similar with regards to materials. Could be a one time chance like getting back to your bloodstain in Dark Souls in order to add some jeopardy.
thats the one thing that winds me up about this most of all, sandros already dreaming up a parallel system when he couldn't get the last one to work. Like powerplay and the BGS, both are practically the same thing lore wise but they dont really tie in.
Short attention spans seems to be an issue, nothing ever gets finished before something new is unveiled that is equally ineffective or superfluous.
The bounty system reform is the way to go, some of the stuff you do should carry the risk of being put back to a sidey, but those risks should be much more global. If the bounty on your head was worth the risk, and the tools were there to find you I'd hunt you, I'd likely lose but someone would get you eventually and all those fines would have to be paid before you could rebuy.
Problem is there's no outlet for asymmetric ambush PVP focused players other than griefing, its a shame really...
So im not suprised were getting more width than depth yet again, elite will be no mans sky but with less options if they carry on down this path.
I can only agree with this post... its sad but true, we need the current systems fixed and completed before we get anything else "new". I almost ate a ban for playing power play because I found a way to use it to attack other players.
We both know that you can infer it with some accuracy, particularly since you already mentioned deliberately targeting explorers. Even if you couldn't, remember that Sandro said the karma system is about trends. If a player exhibits a pattern of clear anti-social behaviour such as harassing explorers, the karma system can reasonably presume that the player is acting with malicious intent and bump them up to a high consequence tier.
"Asymmetric ambush PvP focused players" is basically a wordy way of saying "griefers". There's no outlet for that focus other than griefing because the focus is griefing.
It's like saying the real world needs an outlet for people who focus on taking things which don't belong to them other than stealing.
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I just came across this thread and not sure if this was brought up or not. "Combat Logging" should not be punished if the attacker has low karma because chances are, the victim is much weaker. IF "Combat Logging" is going to cause bad karma, then there should be no rebuy or severely reduced rebuy for the victims. Most "Combat Loggers" from what I have seen, do so because they can't afford to fail missions, lose data, or lose cargo AND rebuy his or her ship because not everyone has 100s of millions laying around. This is particularly a problem in CG systems.
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Combat Logging is an officially recognised exploit by Frontier and it's (apparently) punished by banning people (rightly so). It's disgraceful and should be punished mercilessly. (CL understood as killing your game process or pulling the network cable etc., as opposed to using Exit to Menu function, which - per Frontier standards - is a legit way to escape combat, however the latter is also widely recognised as Combat Logging by the community. Opinions vary, mine is that it should be equally punishable, as both methods are a disgraceful way to escape death. But that's more of a digression and offtopic for this particular thread).
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Sandro addressed that earlier in this thread:
They're obviously not going to ever make logging a fully sanctioned act, since they have already defined it as an exploit. But it does sound like they're aware of the significant difference in severity between players who log when a fight they picked turns against them and players who may log to escape from a griefer.
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Your version of cheating is another person's version of survival. Just like "griefing", some may call killing weaker players pvp others call it griefing and should be punished.
Sorry but it is not disproportionate with the current system in Elite Dangerous. Loosing weeks/months of work has/is already happening today.
As an Explorer you can loose weeks if not months of explorer data. Even with A-Rated shield and boosters (and I speak from experience), integrity damage will help any hostile ship to make a quick (less than 15s) work of you.
So loosing an Engineered ship (even it involved weeks) is at similar level of risk, considering game time invested by a player.
In fact, odds are better for the combat player as his ship is specifically designed for combat, while the explorer will have to compromise on his loadout.
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Came across this thread by accident and now realise it's one of the most important ED discussions in months.
Please don't close this thread until many more get to read it and add their comments (myself included). Or perhaps transfer it to a new thread with a more appropriate title?
(now it looks like I have an hour or two of reading...)
Please don't close this thread until many more get to read it and add their comments (myself included). Or perhaps transfer it to a new thread with a more appropriate title?
(now it looks like I have an hour or two of reading...)
Well, on face value sure, but it can be looked at a different way. If a griefer's griefing causes an undesirable affect/makes them a desirable target, you'll get others who might otherwise be griefing going after them instead. Like thieves stealing from thieves. Sure they're still stealing... but hey.
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Plus a PK'er would have to repeatedly kill weaker ships to be affected whereas explorers already instantly loose all their data be it weeks or months worth. The upshot is the lose of the PK'ers ship is actually at the expense of years worth of exploration, 1000's of tons of cargo and many millions, possibly billions in rebuy cost.
And all those days/weeks/months/years of other players game time wasted is bound to drive people away.
We need more water. So much salt.
Did you stop carrying the FSD disruptor missiles (or whatever they are called)? You know the ones that made it so Salome couldn't high wake out?