The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Yeah, I see a world where making bad/incomplete games or releasing them too late isn't punishable by anything but derision, otherwise people responsible for Spacebase DF-9 or Duke Nuke Forever would be in jail by now. As for the second pint, I should have written "successfully sued" or something.
Mmmm, second pint. It's Friday afternoon and I'm feeling it.

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Mmmm, second pint. It's Friday afternoon and I'm feeling it.

Drunks of Sol approve!

Unfortunately, I've got about 8 hours to go before a refreshing maintenance spray or two :) Friend of mine has just finished a new build and wants to try Star Citizen in 4k and attempt VR - so that's tonight planned out :D

It'll be interesting to see how SC performs - from what he's said his machine will make mine look like a ZX Spectrum.
 
I'm no backer, never have been, never will be... might have something to do with the fact I'm a minimum wage guy...
I want to play Star Citizen, I really do,

But seriously,
Are people really still throwing money at this project? Really?
 
Relax, the number of pints in that post didn't change.

Well… ok then.


The title is accurate, at least. If they've suddenly started using long-established industry-standard coding practices rather than trying to invent something of their own, then that's a huge step forwards. I'm not entirely sure this kind of importance was what the poster intended to convey, though.
 
I'm no backer, never have been, never will be... might have something to do with the fact I'm a minimum wage guy...
I want to play Star Citizen, I really do,

But seriously,
Are people really still throwing money at this project? Really?

If their funding tracker can be believed they are getting around $3 million per month on average.

Allegedly, there is in the region of 10,000 new backers per month. The new backers realistically account for no more than $750,000 so the current backers are dumping around $2.25 million per month on this vanity project.
 
If their funding tracker can be believed they are getting around $3 million per month on average.

Allegedly, there is in the region of 10,000 new backers per month. The new backers realistically account for no more than $750,000 so the current backers are dumping around $2.25 million per month on this vanity project.

I refuse to believe this...
[woah]
 
It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Reworking unfinished assets to become compatible with an unfinished database system with an unfinished network communications layer in an unfinished game with an undetermined scope that hasn't even had a meeting to decide go/no-go on the core concepts yet.

Sums up sadly perfectly how absurd this messy development looks like.
 
If their funding tracker can be believed they are getting around $3 million per month on average.

Allegedly, there is in the region of 10,000 new backers per month. The new backers realistically account for no more than $750,000 so the current backers are dumping around $2.25 million per month on this vanity project.

If this was 2013-2014 then yes, but now when people are increasingly sick of their aggressive sales? No way.
 
No. We don't. Was just an interview of some RSI associate which referred to this number in general terms (not been really too clear or specific). Hard to believe that he considered "backers" = "individuals". More like many of them buying multiple packages. Hard to believe that he considered those that were refunded too. So, no. We don't know. But we can assume that it's a lie, because Roberts and co. already used these numbers to pretend that were more successfull that they actually are. When the standard is to lie, you always start to assume that it's a lie and then you wait for a proof of the company to show that what they are now saying or showing is true... but what happened at this case is that the company flee from proving that. Made sure to make it appear that its a sin to ask for more information about this... So, obvious is obvious. Lies.

I disagree. I am sceptical of the numbers but flat out stating it is a lie when there is no actual proof to the contrary is a fool's game.

Pointless to try to calculate that because, again, you are using a company's source used already with the objective of false advertising by members of RSI. If you look to other stats that have more credibility than this counter (specially those that are out of the control of RSI), you are able to see that this "grow" that you refer never was reflected on them. Which means that it does not make any sense and it's out of the reality of the game market, how gamers behave. It's almost like if every month, new people ignored all the red signs and the lack of any sign of a release, felt the need or the hurry to pledge and at the same time, had no interest to follow, to play, to watch, or to participate of anything related to this game. Seriously. This is just obvious lies, following what is already a well-know standard of this company - lying, continuously, to get your money and to keep your money. If you want to believe in the accuracy of that counter you are just been extremely naive.

It is just using the metrics available which is better than me making things up. I used allegedly to show my own skepticism at their numbers and as always, any self-published metrics should be taken with a pinch of salt, that really shouldn't need to be said.
 
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If this was 2013-2014 then yes, but now when people are increasingly sick of their aggressive sales? No way.

The idea that they are getting, on average, 300 or so additional paying backers day in day out, for years on end does seem very dubious. I feel a lot of the issue is how there are no clear metrics for the project. Everything is bloated and obfuscated by a variety of means which makes it really hard to get a proper picture of what is exactly what.

I wish I could find the post which recorded the backer increase for Elite prior to it releasing on Steam for a bit of a comparison.
 
People should try to pay more attention to other stats maybe, like viewers of their shows, participation (in number of users) of their forums, leaderboards or any other in-game stats to try to get a better picture of their growing/decreasing popularity.

No-one involved with the project wants to do that because the last time they scored big numbers related to any kind of viewship or participation, it was the massive number of downvotes on their referral contest video. :D
 
I was already saying how bogus that counter was. People accused me of a crazy person who thinks about conspiracies. Except that YEARS later, the company accidentally (I guess that it was more accidental than in purpose) revealead to have less than 500k backers.

Do you know what that means? It's another ACTUAL PROOF, between many others, that RSI lied, was deceptive and false advertised this project.

And you don't want to accuse them of lying
LoL

This is getting rather silly now. I find dealing with this level of absolutes and diving into conspiratorial thinking a waste of time.

I don't want to accuse them of lying because I feel that's quite a strong comment to make and I don't have enough actual evidence to make such a comment. We can hypothesise about things but that's a huge distance from your so-called proof.

As I previously said, allegedly these are the numbers they get. Just so that there is no misunderstanding, the word allegedly means: Used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof and the context I used it in was to show my own skeptism about the numbers (do I even need to say this?).
 
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My "perspective" is the one who doesn't challenge fundamental mathematics, logic and basic financial analysis. It's not a matter of "perspective" at this case. Or it's accurate, or it's not. The "pinch of salt" here cannot be used. Because it's WAY off the reality. And they were proven lying. I brought everything that was needed to prove. Any reasonable person (without getting proud or denial or whatever, because spend too many years making bogus maths that can be easily dismissed and shouldn't get as a pinch of salt, but instead, should be TOTALLY IGNORED because mislead and lead to ridiculously wrong conclusions) can see that.

If a person says that something is alleged it doesn't mean it's their viewpoint but that is the stance you are taking which is why you're in the wrong, you're being unreasonable and you're the one way off reality.

I am just stating facts.

I agree with Zetta, everyone knows your facts are not facts at all. They are rants from someone who has proved themselves time and time again to be unbalanced in how you view every single thing about this game. There's a reason you get banned everywhere and it's not because you are a paragon of truth and facts...
 
That is out of the context of our discussion. I said that was pointless to make such math, because such math leads to results that are totally off the reality as has been already proven. He talks about taking the basis as a pinch of salt and then elaborate a calcuation over that that ends to be totally wrong (because the basis are just that... wrong). 2 + 2 = 4. I can't start a whole scientific analysis or even speculate about something, at least if I hope to achieve something near of the reality, starting from the idea that 2 + 2 = 5. Wrong basis = wrong conclusion.

Are his/her numbers accurate with the information available from CIG? If they are then he/she is not objectively wrong. You can argue the merit of the numbers and that is probably why they used the word allegedly as far as I can tell.

I took off your sensationalist rant for the sake of keeping the discussion as more objective as possible, isntead becoming the usual war that people wants to play when are proved wrong, specially by me, because they can't admit that was one of the first first to be right about this project, in general, even years before Mr. Derek Smart.

So, please elaborate where my facts are not facts at all. Did Roberts not claimed to have 1 million backers by 2015? Didn't a dev said that they actually had 500k?

Did Zetta deny any of this?

You took off the rant because the truth clearly hurts :D
 
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