The problem with the new C&P improvements

But it is. If you are in a large ship, and are hit by another small ship driven by a commander, the bounty generated is now much higher. Look I'm all for don't speed. Absolutely.. But this is going to be the outcome. It's simply an example of what will happen.

Depending on where the collision is, it's possible to avoid death. So you can bet there will be some feedback on that. Again, I'm all for "do not speed" but I can see the flip side of where it can go.

Because players speed all the time. The speed limit didn't fundimentally change anything. Just as this new bounty structure won't appreciably change anything. Just create some (interesting) unexpected consequences. That not everyone will immediately realise.

2.4 will be interesting though.

Sure someone already said it, don't want to read 32 pages right now. What's wrong with not applying the new bounty system to speeding? The goal of the traffic system is not just to punish players with a rebuy but to make them stop ramming others. This is achieved via ship destruction by station similar to loitering or blocking the letterbox.
 
Yes, because adding feedback BEFORE they do all the work is a dumb idea. FD propose a solution and people feedback on the proposal. FD read feedback and modify the proposal. Solution is tested and changes required are lessened.

Is this actually hard to understand?

but this is discussing how something is broken based on an assumption of how you think it may work. How about waiting until you know how it works to decide if its broken!
 
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Sure someone already said it, don't want to read 32 pages right now. What's wrong with not applying the new bounty system to speeding? The goal of the traffic system is not just to punish players with a rebuy but to make them stop ramming others. This is achieved via ship destruction by station similar to loitering or blocking the letterbox.
I think the main issue with the current traffic management system is that unless you are using a docking computer it is virtually impossible to avoid all cases of dangerous flying "warning" circumstances during docking. Even with a docking computer, there are issues during launching from Coriolis/Orbis stations.

The traffic control system is pretty good at the moment but it could still do with some refinement.

Speeding is only part of the problem and only really addresses rather limited circumstances (e.g. ramming other ships in order to kill them notionally without consequences). Not only that, but certain ships can effectively require you to speed in order to avoid being accused of loitering during exit from Orbis/Coriolis stations. This seems to be better than it used to be but it is still an issue.
 
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but this is discussing how something is broken based on an assumption of how you think it may work. How about waiting until you know how it works to decide if its broken!

Did you vote for instant module and ship and module transport, or delayed. And did you complain that the changes needed to happen before the developer did anything, or after. I really hope you said the same thing for that. Because it'd be ridiculously ironic if you are saying this on the back of doing exactly that.

Asking for a friend. :)
 
Legit PvP is a pure construct of your mind, you're free to engage in it but nobody else is forced to play fair. The store page says "trade, pirate, explore, kill criminals or just hunt other commanders", it doesn't then add "or take part in strictly codified so-called legitimate pvp"

What downside this change has to others? None, No one else than pvp people even care/use the crime on/off option. If this change (that is simple and can't be hard to do) can make some people happy then frontier should do it.

Its shouldn't be argued against because you think its minor thing that you don't care about/doesn't effect you. What Op ask is small easy improvement that will make many players happy. There is no reason to be against it. You can keep ignoring this crime on/off thing if you want, but if others see/feel it should be improved then why not?
 
I have edited my earlier Report Crimes thread in the Suggestions Forum to take into account this thread.

The edit is as follows:


I'd like to summarise the three proposals now under discussion:


1. Add a third option to Report Crimes: 'Report Crimes Against Me But Do Not Summon Assistance'

2. Make it impossible to toggle Report Crimes whilst in combat with another player
(such as by making the options variable only when docked, or not variable within a certain time of taking fire)

3. Make Report Crimes status of a target vessel visible upon completion of basic scan



Item 1 is my original proposal, in the OP of this Suggestions thread. It is devoted to permitting Cmdrs to have the option to defend themselves from PvP attack without unwanted help from NPC authority ships.

Items 2 and 3 are proposals made by another player, in the linked thread, which have my full support. They are devoted to saving consensual duellists from accruing unwarranted Pilots Federation bounties under the new C&P system because their opponent innocently or deliberately has Report Crimes On, when he has said it was Off, or as trolling switches Report Crimes back On mid-duel.


The Suggestions thread itself is here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nctionality-of-quot-Report-Crimes-On-Off-quot

It's worth a look for those who like to follow the Devs because Sandro has posted in it several times.
 
I have edited my earlier Report Crimes thread in the Suggestions Forum to take into account this thread.

The edit is as follows:





The Suggestions thread itself is here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nctionality-of-quot-Report-Crimes-On-Off-quot

It's worth a look for those who like to follow the Devs because Sandro has posted in it several times.

I think this is good logic (Sandro's third post):
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/349937-Please-improve-the-functionality-of-quot-Report-Crimes-On-Off-quot?p=5477501&viewfull=1#post5477501

A third option, the crime is reported but no assistance is required. I still reserve my 'right' to change the the flag at any time, and to lie about my intentions if it's to my tactical advantage against an adversary.
 
What downside this change has to others? None, No one else than pvp people even care/use the crime on/off option. If this change (that is simple and can't be hard to do) can make some people happy then frontier should do it.

Its shouldn't be argued against because you think its minor thing that you don't care about/doesn't effect you. What Op ask is small easy improvement that will make many players happy. There is no reason to be against it. You can keep ignoring this crime on/off thing if you want, but if others see/feel it should be improved then why not?

There's two things discussed in this thread: displaying on your HUD whether another player is reporting crimes, and changing how the report crimes function works to make it harder or impossible for people to start reporting crimes after the fight has started.
I haven't seen much opposition to the former, but the latter reduces options and depth and has no good justification. Just like I can't support disabling PvP damage as some have often suggested to make Open safe, I also can't support creating a safe space from those who would like to exploit the guilibility or laziness of 'honorable duelers' by breaking an agreement which is purely between players and should stay that way.
 
There's two things discussed in this thread: displaying on your HUD whether another player is reporting crimes, and changing how the report crimes function works to make it harder or impossible for people to start reporting crimes after the fight has started.
I haven't seen much opposition to the former, but the latter reduces options and depth and has no good justification. Just like I can't support disabling PvP damage as some have often suggested to make Open safe, I also can't support creating a safe space from those who would like to exploit the guilibility or laziness of 'honorable duelers' by breaking an agreement which is purely between players and should stay that way.

I would say the two go hand in hand. Not knowing what option the other chose creates a dilemma.
 
Like an overenthusiastic couple who meet at a party, they want to do it right there on the dancefloor while everyone around just wishes they'd get a room.

Ha ha. Brilliant.

So there is no issue here then. Is there a way to add a thread to an ignore list I wonder?
 
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What downside this change has to others? None, No one else than pvp people even care/use the crime on/off option. If this change (that is simple and can't be hard to do) can make some people happy then frontier should do it.

You realise combat isn't just for PvPers yes?

PvE players play with report crimes off because you don't need to call the Police just because you get into a fight.

Cops turn up and ruin perfectly good fights if you have it on.

And if you are carrying sensitive cargo why on Earth would you want cops turning up?
 
I have edited my earlier Report Crimes thread in the Suggestions Forum to take into account this thread.

The edit is as follows:





The Suggestions thread itself is here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nctionality-of-quot-Report-Crimes-On-Off-quot

It's worth a look for those who like to follow the Devs because Sandro has posted in it several times.

Added a comment.

Point 2 I think is unfair to the PvE crowd and undermines the whole point of "report crimes".
 
The problem with the new C&P system is that no one actually knows the details of the system or has any experience with it whatsoever. Technically, that also means that there is insufficent information to evaluate and detail the strenghts and gaps, but if the objective is to complain for complaining's sake, then flame on.

34 pages about something no one here has seen or read a detailed accounting of?

Bunch of negative Nancys.
 
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The problem with the new C&P system is that no one actually knows the details of the system or has any experience with it whatsoever. Technically, that also means that there is insufficent information to evaluate and detail the strenghts and gaps, but if the objective is to complain for complaining's sake, then flame on.

34 pages about something no one here has seen or read a detailed accounting of?

Bunch of negative Nancys.

Thats why they stopped informing us via DevUpdates. Every feature will be discussed to death. We are a stupid community.
 
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