Do we have a ETA on the cure for the beige plague?

[Martian Successor]

This thread is starting to go down a strange route. You wanted an answer. You actually got an answer, which is a small miracle in itself knowing Frontier. But you don't like the answer so screw FDev anyway!

Spoiler

Over at Frontier HQ:


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I mean I'm jaded as hell by now and very dissapointed by Frontier's method of communication but even I can try to see this from FD's end. With harsh reactions either way, they are left to believe that they can't win either way. And that just feeds into their already default position of reticence and reclusiveness. It allows Frontier to play the victim card and actually be partly in the right to do so. We don't want that. We want to discourage them from hiding away and disensitising themselves from the community. I don't want such a thick skinned FD that they no longer sympathise at all with their players.

How we do that is simply by being amicable when they do respond. Sure we can still be stern with them but not drown them in negativity. We should always seek to be polite no matter what - Brits love that crap! Showing emotions makes them cringe and run away

What we want is to show FD that communicating with us is always the better option. That way we can eliminate their victim card, "The community are always so mean!"

Instead it becomes the much more logical, "The community get mean only if we don't communicate with them."

I'm not going to rep Dale on this occassion because it was like squeezing blood from a stone to get a response, with FD so grudgingly forced to elaborate in their own vague way. Poor Dale probably drew the short straw or Brett was twisting his arm and commanding, "Type it! Type it or no more tea breaks!"

But I do thank Dale Emasiri for the communication. And thanks to his response we do know more than we did before and I can finally apreciate why the fix is not a simple one. I look forward to increased communication and increased levels of amicableness (it's a word.)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This thread is starting to go down a strange route. You wanted an answer. You actually got an answer, which is a small miracle in itself knowing Frontier. But you don't like the answer so screw FDev anyway!

Don't generalise like that. [mad]

Most have been happy to have had a response.

 

[verminstar]

One reason for that is the large amount of love for the Elite franchise in this thread too. Many players who have been here since day one, even before day one, who love exploration and really want to play the game, but just can't enjoy it anymore due to this issue. I know several posters in this thread can't fathom how that can be true, but it is. It's the reality of quite a bit of the community's feelings. While this might seem like a small issue to those who don't care much about it, it is not a small issue. No matter how much you want it to be, no matter how much Frontier might think it is, it is not.

Players are leaving the game or playing much less due to this, it is driving customers away. That translates into something that really should be a higher priority than it currently seems to be at Frontier. A lot more than "discussions on how to address this" should be happening one year after the fact. They broke it, and from the sounds of it a fix is nowhere near any kind of implementation, an entire year later. So yeah, there is some overreactions going on, but in all honesty, it's greatly justified considering how monumentally game impacting this has been for players who love to explore.

Speaking of knee jerk reactions, Ive taken whats left of my previously shelved pc build with the intention of somehow gathering up the money to get it done and finished. Unfortunately, the end goal is not as a platform to play elite on because fer me, the best part of this game was exploration and thats in the toilet right now fer me. Theres enough left here to keep me amused fer another couple months perhaps, but the only reason I started playing this game was to explore, with the bgs itself being nothing more than the filler between the cracks. Bit like not enough butter on a very large slice.

Red knows why I came here and where I came from...one the few I know here from other games. When I think of this game now, one phrase springs immediately to mind...oh how the mighty have fallen. The direction and tone has changed somewhat dramatically since I arrived and not in a good way.

I said many months ago they had until 2.4 and if nothing improved, there wouldnt be a season 3 fer me personally. Or whatever convoluted future scheme they come up with...whatever...aint buying into future releases until they fix what they broke in season 2 but Ill play it out until then...simply from the point of view that there arent any real alternatives out there in this niche genre. Ill enjoy whats left if only from the perspective that Ive blown double on kits and paints than what the game originally cost, and I want my moneys worth before heading off to pastures new.

Could they say or do something that will potentially change that outcome? Well yes they could...but I have no confidence in their ability to do so. After 11 months, they have done nothing...absolutely nothing that even approaches an attempt. Yesterdays answer sorta confirms what I suspected way back at the start of the thread, and not one single poster or any the counter arguments they have used has done anything to change my mind.

Tick tock tick tock...time is running out of the proverbial hourglass.

Edit...I am actually very thankful fer yesterdays answer...even thanked the guy with not even a trace of sarcasm. Not his fault he drew the short straw. Thing is, the answer was already a suspicion which has now merely been confirmed. Im thankful because one is no longer confused...one is now certain and fer that, I am grateful ^

 

[babelfisch]

Well, with the timescales usually involved I think we can safely rule out next week and month. If it had been a candidate for the 2.4 update, it would probably be lined up for testing right now or at least be in the process of being concluded and included in some sort of roll-out scheme. Especially considering the scale and complexity, this isn't something they will cobble up in a month just before a release date. For me it makes it pretty clear we won't see the fix in the September 2.4 update. Or one close to that.

So I've interpreted Dale's post as meaning: not this year, probably part 3 at the soonest.

Yes, I think "We cannot provide an ETA, but unfortunately it will not be in the short-term." means it will not be next week or next month. It doesn't mean anything else though.

I think if they really don't have something to test (which, again, is something we don't know) yet chances are indeed low for 2.4, but 3.0 is definetely a possibility. Verminstar is convinced that it will be a few years until we see a fix, which is what I responded to.

 

[Mengy]

The thing is, not anytime soon could mean not next week, not next month or not this year. Personally I expect the fix either with 2.4 or 3.0. You think it's years away. Both our guesses are based on absolutely nothing. There is no comment from FDEV saying it's years away and they are not saying it will be in the next update either. And yet you are almost 100% convinced that it'll be a few years until it's fixed. Based on what?!

To be fair, Dale really did make it sound like any fix is still squarely in the planning phase only:

The dev/art team have been looking into solutions for it and will continue to investigate it further going forward. We cannot provide an ETA, but unfortunately it will not be in the short-term.

That jives squarely with Brett's post saying that it is in the QA/Engineering camp to work on. Not being worked on, TO work on. So yeah, going by Frontier's most recent posts, it does sound like this is at the very soonest a 3.0 fix, but more likely even later than that. It's an assumption, but one based on the only information from Frontier we have to go on, so it is an very well educated assumption.

 

[babelfisch]

To be fair, Dale really did make it sound like any fix is still squarely in the planning phase only:



That jives squarely with Brett's post saying that it is in the QA/Engineering camp to work on. Not being worked on, TO work on. So yeah, going by Frontier's most recent posts, it does sound like this is at the very soonest a 3.0 fix, but more likely even later than that. It's an assumption, but one based on the only information from Frontier we have to go on, so it is an very well educated assumption.

Not necessarily. It could just mean that they didn't implement something in their dev build yet, but planning is close to be finished (not saying this is the case, but it's absolutely possible). The actual implementation could just take a few days (again, just guessing from what we know, which is nothing).

PS
And sorry, but Dale doesn't seem to really know what he is talking about anyway

 

[Martian Successor]

Don't generalise like that. [mad]

Most have been happy to have had a response.

It needed to be said because the previous two pages were filled with negativity and discontent over the answer said response provided. I didn't want that to continue because it affects FD's justifications for being so reclusive with all of us, not just the exploration and beige planet crowd.

And read the rest of my damn post dammit! I made some bloody good points and even mixed in light comedy! [mad]

 

[babelfisch]

Since we have an official response I am going to de-beigify my avatar.

 

[verminstar]

Yes, I think "We cannot provide an ETA, but unfortunately it will not be in the short-term." means it will not be next week or next month. It doesn't mean anything else though.

I think if they really don't have something to test (which, again, is something we don't know) yet chances are indeed low for 2.4, but 3.0 is definetely a possibility. Verminstar is convinced that it will be a few years until we see a fix, which is what I responded to.

No, thats not what Im convinced about whatsoever...I said many pages ago that I doubted work had even started on the "fix"...that was confirmed yesterday as it also contradicted bretts dismissive comment last week. They cant even get the story straight between them...Dale said it was in discussion stages and investigation stages while brett appears to believe its in the hands of QA a week ago...ye see the confusion here?

So which one do we believe?

Ah...ninjad by mengy I see ^

 

[Xenith]

The thing is, not anytime soon could mean not next week, not next month or not this year. Personally I expect the fix either with 2.4 or 3.0. You think it's years away. Both our guesses are based on absolutely nothing. There is no comment from FDEV saying it's years away and they are not saying it will be in the next update either. And yet you are almost 100% convinced that it'll be a few years until it's fixed. Based on what?!

I'm going squarely with the "not this year" option. They're still being vague, and vague usually means you won't be seeing it anytime soon... if ever. My friend is a software developer, and getting him to give you a straight answer about anything, is like trying to catch an eel whilst being covered in oil and wearing a pair of ill fitting trousers minus the belt.

 

[Mengy]

And sorry, but Dale doesn't seem to really know what he is talking about anyway

That's entirely true, he might not. I tend to take Frontier posts at their word, but I admit that could be a greivous mistake on my part!

Which brings me to the crux of the communication problem on the beige front: that so many of Frontier's words over the past six months seem to contradict or conflict with each other, so it's really hard to get a grasp on what the actual situation is. If you go by Michael and Mitch then a plan is underway and a fix is in the works, but if you go by Brett and Dale then this is still in the planning phase and no work has actually started on it yet. Four different dev posts, two different scenarios, who is correct? We don't really know, thus the mixed reactions to people's responses following Frontier finally posting in this thread.

At least we know Frontier is aware of it and intend to do something about it someday, we DO know that. "Someday" could be 3.0 in 2018, but it also could be very further away than even that. We just can't tell from the info we've been given.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

That's entirely true, he might not. I tend to take Frontier posts at their word, but I admit that could be a greivous mistake on my part!

Which brings me to the crux of the communication problem on the beige front: that so many of Frontier's words over the past six months seem to contradict or conflict with each other, so it's really hard to get a grasp on what the actual situation is. If you go by Michael and Mitch then a plan is underway and a fix is in the works, but if you go by Brett and Dale then this is still in the planning phase and no work has actually started on it yet. Four different dev posts, two different scenarios, who is correct? We don't really know, thus the mixed reactions to people's responses following Frontier finally posting in this thread.

At least we know Frontier is aware of it and intend to do something about it someday, we DO know that. "Someday" could be 3.0 in 2018, but it also could be very further away than even that. We just can't tell from the info we've been given.

I personally would go with Michael and Mitch, as they would be the people more in the know. Neither Brett or Dale say it is in the planning stage, both statements are too vague for that. They could mean a lot of things as has been shown.

 

[verminstar]

I personally would go with Michael and Mitch, as they would be the people more in the know. Neither Brett or Dale say it is in the planning stage, both statements are too vague for that. They could mean a lot of things as has been shown.

Could mean a lotta things...tis the same as saying we could actually be right all along, although we could be wrong. Its simply not certain either way because ye said it yerself...it could mean a lotta things but considering its taken 11 months just to get this far, then Im afraid the signs are not good. Of course they dont wanna talk about it because they dont want to admit that it hasnt left the discussion stages yet. In light of all the comments seemingly contradicting each other, it looks like excuses to kill the topic itself fer another 6 months ^

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Could mean a lotta things...tis the same as saying we could actually be right all along, although we could be wrong. Its simply not certain either way because ye said it yerself...it could mean a lotta things but considering its taken 11 months just to get this far, then Im afraid the signs are not good. Of course they dont wanna talk about it because they dont want to admit that it hasnt left the discussion stages yet. In light of all the comments seemingly contradicting each other, it looks like excuses to kill the topic itself fer another 6 months ^

Carry on making stuff up with no evidence if that's what makes you happy.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And read the rest of my damn post dammit! I made some bloody good points and even mixed in light comedy! [mad]

I read the rest of your post. It's fine. I have no comments on that! [mad]

And I bloody love that smiley! -> [mad]

 

[babelfisch]

No, thats not what Im convinced about whatsoever...

Sorry for misinterpreting your posts then

I said many pages ago that I doubted work had even started on the "fix"...that was confirmed yesterday as it also contradicted bretts dismissive comment last week.

That's not true. He said they already did start and continue working on it.
"The dev/art team have been looking into solutions for it and will continue to investigate it further going forward."
Unless you think finding solutions isn't part of fixing it. In that case you would be wrong, finding a solution is always the first and often most difficult part of fixing something.

They cant even get the story straight between them...Dale said it was in discussion stages and investigation stages while brett appears to believe its in the hands of QA a week ago...ye see the confusion here?
So which one do we believe?

That's not true. Brett said it's in the hands of QA AND devs. They talk to each other. Anyway,as said above, that's exactly the reason they don't like to communicate with you.

And I bloody love that smiley! -> [mad]

Ziggy, sits like a man, smells smiles like a reptile.

 

[verminstar]

Carry on making stuff up with no evidence if that's what makes you happy.

Not making anything up...like yerself I'm just echoing what may or may not be true. If yer saying it's absolutely not true, then what's the basis fer that belief? Yer own words were that it could mean a lotta things...that's one of the things so by all means, why is this not one possible answer? Do ye have anything more than a belief to back it up with?

 

[Mengy]

And I bloody love that smiley! -> [mad]

It is a rather nice smiley, I don't think I've ever used that one before!


I very much dislike the beige plague of the universe! [mad]

Why can't I find just one interesting HMC anymore? [mad]

The Asp Explorer stops like a runaway freight train! [mad]

My Anaconda turns like a Ladybug stuck in molassas in the wintertime when in supercruise! [mad]

Why won't Frawd fly anything other than a Sidewinder into deep space??? [mad]




It's a fun smiley to use! [big grin] ... [mad]

 

[verminstar]

Sorry for misinterpreting your posts then



That's not true. He said they already did start and continue working on it.
"The dev/art team have been looking into solutions for it and will continue to investigate it further going forward."
Unless you think finding solutions isn't part of fixing it. In that case you would be wrong, finding a solution is always the first and often most difficult part of fixing something.



That's not true. Brett said it's in the hands of QA AND devs. They talk to each other. Anyway,as said above, that's exactly the reason they don't like to communicate with you.







Ziggy, sits like a man, smells smiles like a reptile.

Well as I've already stated, I am still here fer now...so between now and the point where I do just wander off, I'm well up fer being proved wrong. I'll stick to my beliefs until they are proven wrong...so far, that hasnt happened ^

 

[Martian Successor]

I read the rest of your post. It's fine. I have no comments on that! [mad]

And I bloody love that smiley! -> [mad]

Good! [mad]

This smiley makes everything look 10 times funkier! [mad]

I say old chap, would you pass the tea!? [mad]

I love Dinosaurs! [mad]

It's glorious ... [mad] [mad] [mad]