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It violates forum rule #2. I am violating forum rule #4. Neither violations are being dealt with. Because the moderators are not doing their job. Which is my whole point.
PvP Fuel Corgi gets got 65k LY from bubble - SDC Special
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It has been stated by a mod that it does not violate rule #2, so that's the end of that. At this point, you're essentially arguing for your own ban. Might want to quit digging, mate.
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I'd love for the forums to be ACTUALLY MODERATED. If that meant also banning me for not following the rules, I'd chalk that up as a win.
Zarek Null never ceases to amaze me.
"Combat" against an unarmed ship isn't combat, it's seal clubbing requiring no "skill" at all, just deception and surprise. Like the game's crime and punishment system, this type of combat is decidedly one sided and risk free in favor of the greifer. It's not combat, it's greifing.
For combat, take a decked out Corvette to the current CG and attack the player killers in open. That would result in a battle for certain, and that's combat, but that is not what the video subject was after now was it? Nope, the pilot in the video didn't want "combat", they wanted to club seals and win an easy one sided "victory".
So many "combat" players want to hide behind the shield of "it's combat so it's fair game" but they ignore the fact that it's not combat they are after, but rather just simply imposing strength on the weak in unfair situations with no consequences or risk of any kind. And that's called bullying.
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Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Personal observation as a forum poster and a moderator:
People who post *anything* on a forum are by definition looking to get a response. Otherwise.... what's the point?
So the question then is: What kind of response is the person after, and is the content of the post against forum rules? PvP vidoes are by their nature a little more 'spicy' than PvE stuff. That alone is not a problem. When something is genuinely hurtful, spiteful, or targeting someone then we pull the plug. (Name and Shame videos are a good example). This particular thread is not one of those imho. People can legitimately have issues with the content, but it was unquestionably 'kosher' with regards to the games TOS and was a good highlight of player dedication and creativity. (I'm not advocating anything here - just pointing out that the content passed muster).
Personally I was impressed when I saw this video. Would i want to be on the receiving end of this? Of course not. Would I be royally cheesed off if I were destroyed? Yeah, probably.
Would I be against someone gloating over it a bit on the forum and holding it up as some interesting player-generated drama? No.
Edit: As a personal favor I'd appreciate it if people would stay on topic and not stick pointy objects in each other's eyes. And with that I recuse myself from modding in here further because now I'm fully engaged in the conversation. Be nice or Yaffle will come in here and no one wants to get on his bad side.
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Personal observation as a forum poster and a moderator:
People who post *anything* on a forum are by definition looking to get a response. Otherwise.... what's the point?
So the question then is: What kind of response is the person after, and is the content of the post against forum rules? PvP vidoes are by their nature a little more 'spicy' than PvE stuff. That alone is not a problem. When something is genuinely hurtful, spiteful, or targeting someone then we pull the plug. (Name and Shame videos are a good example). This particular thread is not one of those imho. People can legitimately have issues with the content, but it was unquestionably 'kosher' with regards to the games TOS and was a good highlight of player dedication and creativity. (I'm not advocating anything here - just pointing out that the content passed muster).
Personally I was impressed when I saw this video. Would i want to be on the receiving end of this? Of course not. Would I be royally cheesed off if I were destroyed? Yeah, probably.
Would I be against someone gloating over it a bit on the forum and holding it up as some interesting player-generated drama? No.
Edit: As a personal favor I'd appreciate it if people would stay on topic and not stick pointy objects in each other's eyes. And with that I recuse myself from modding in here further because now I'm fully engaged in the conversation. Be nice or Yaffle will come in here and no one wants to get on his bad side.
Yaffle or Ian might want to close the thread, then. The arguments are becoming repetitive, and no one is convincing anyone else to change their opinions.
While those are nice studies and indeed deserve praise for their efforts, they have problems. The very low size of the pools and the lack of discarding bias factors make them lack strong evidence.
OTOH, I won't link you to some (way greater pool, way better bias factor discarding) studies, and more numerous too, that prove that there's barely any relation between in-game violence and in-game aggression (excluding Comms insults of course) and real life persona or real life tendency to violence or psychopathological behaviour. Go search them yourself, since your didn't take the minimum effort required to post academic stuff here and pose as "the herald of psychology science".
Heya Stormy, I miss you!!
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Disgusting. If that's the official stance then I'm done with this place. The point of this "PvP" wasn't to show who is more skilled. The point was to make the person on the other end as angry as possible. And the point of posting the video in this forum is to do the same. If you can't see the problem with that, then I feel sorry for you.
I can't support a company that condones this kind of disgusting behavior. I'll move on to other games. I'm under no illusion that FDEV cares about one person that will no longer support them, but I feel that every individual has a personal responsibility to stand up for what is right.
Arguments is what forums are about. Arguments and discussions are what moves the human thinking, collective, yet diverse, mind.
Reading comprehension is a lost skill.
If you're going to paraphrase get it right. If you are uncertain what words mean, don't be afraid to ask
Up to the Fuel Rats.
So him on stage was fictional?
Only in the realm of fantasy do I care what you can imagine.
Jenner, really, do I have to explain to a forum moderator what the difference is between looking to engage in a discussion and trolling?
Mind you, the trolling criticism isn't towards in game behaviour, it's towards the way it is presented.
Then don't be all surprised about the level of vitriol on display. Or as you call it:
But Jenner, sticking pointy objects into people's eyes is the same as "post *anything* on a forum are by definition looking to get a response. Otherwise.... what's the point?"Edit: As a personal favor I'd appreciate it if people would stay on topic and not stick pointy objects in each other's eyes. And with that I recuse myself from modding in here further because now I'm fully engaged in the conversation. Be nice or Yaffle will come in here and no one wants to get on his bad side.
See how that fails to define? If you fail to see how these kinds of threads invoke people sticking pointy objects in other people's eyes because it's the explicit intent (we don't have to guess, it's explicit) then you have no business telling people you would rather not see that behaviour. You reap what you allow to be sown ... sowed ... sowered.
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For refuel rescue attempts, I could see shieldless as potentially being advantageous as well, for that extra bit of speed and range getting wherever you're needed. If the goal is to refuel someone who needs fuel, getting "ganked" or whatever by your mission target is essentially irrelevant.
Just another name to add to your black list so that time isn't wasted that could be better used elsewhere.
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But that's your subjective take on the matter. Mine is that both commanders in this instance put in a lot of effort. It is unlikely that the fuel corgi was doing any exploring beyond honk/jump, but the loss of exploration data doesn't really change anything anyway. While I certainly agree that this was an underhand trick, the effort involved on both sides inclines me to regard it as a well set-up prank. Nothing more than that. Certainly not immoral.
Personal observation as a forum poster and a moderator:
People who post *anything* on a forum are by definition looking to get a response. Otherwise.... what's the point?
So the question then is: What kind of response is the person after, and is the content of the post against forum rules? PvP vidoes are by their nature a little more 'spicy' than PvE stuff. That alone is not a problem. When something is genuinely hurtful, spiteful, or targeting someone then we pull the plug. (Name and Shame videos are a good example). This particular thread is not one of those imho. People can legitimately have issues with the content, but it was unquestionably 'kosher' with regards to the games TOS and was a good highlight of player dedication and creativity. (I'm not advocating anything here - just pointing out that the content passed muster).
Personally I was impressed when I saw this video. Would i want to be on the receiving end of this? Of course not. Would I be royally cheesed off if I were destroyed? Yeah, probably.
Would I be against someone gloating over it a bit on the forum and holding it up as some interesting player-generated drama? No.
Edit: As a personal favor I'd appreciate it if people would stay on topic and not stick pointy objects in each other's eyes. And with that I recuse myself from modding in here further because now I'm fully engaged in the conversation. Be nice or Yaffle will come in here and no one wants to get on his bad side.
So, you're ok with someone engaging in activities that aim to deliberately waste other people's time and grief them. And you are supposed to be a moderator? Good grief...
I'm not done because I play this game since more than two years and I look forward to keep doing so for a long time, but yes, I have to agree - as a moderator's comment, this is appalling.
Is it just me or has the forum been unusually awesome the last couple of days?
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Well, you done it now, Jenner, old-boy. You gone and said something rational, and now the mob has turned against you...
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It's not just you. I think SDC agrees with you. And apparently, so do som e of the moderators.
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No, it was really bland for a while there, but has picked up.
The thing I don't like is the manipulation of people to put them in a situation they completely control. So there is zero risk and they are just, well shooting newbs or 'fish in a barrel' so to say..... what is the point? I don't get the fun they have at all - it seems they only pleasure off of other people's frustration. Which is what I believe es people off about them.
Again, I'm not trying to talk crap.... I just don't get what is so fun about these pointless ganks or gangbangs they host, all the while they giggle like little schoolgirls in the background of videos. Cool man, just plain cool
Gotcha and a (rather deeply buried) part of my subconscious screams when I see this kind of stuff. This mini-me hungers for justice. It screams, "crime! Horror! Let's fight it!"
SDC ways of going about problems in ED are outlandish, cheesy, overreacting. Sometimes I really dislike them just like you and Fox and Ziggy and Mods and half the PvPers and…
But we can't deny. They're inside the game's rules restrictions. They're content providers. They move (a bit) the engines of ED. They bring new things. They're the same as Alex Brentnall, if diametrally opposed in ideology, they still move the game up the same way. They're the Villain the Evil we need. They make us "waste" our precious 21th century time in such lengthy threads in the forums, because WE ALL LOVE THIS GAME. We all are more than happy to be psychologically sabotaged into posting here, about internet pixels, about game drama.
And there's the value in it. Hating them / pittying them as we can / should, they are already an undeniable part of what ED is made of. I've posted some comments above about how I don't agree with Fuel rescuers' reason to exist, that I'm against them helping careless explorers who should lose their ships to fuel starving anyway. But I was being a hypocrite. Fuel rescuers are content providers. They role play. They, too, make this game great.
I'm a bit drunk but I just want to get the bigger picture. Conflict, antagonism, friendship, epicness. FDev has given us the tools to make up unforgettable stories ourselves. Let's try and engage more as a community of opposites and friends. Let's make our time more valuable, even if a few times it means "losing" time used gathering explo data and trading. There must be ways for us to grow up as spacers, with all differences, villains, good guys, forum sarcasm-mongers, and such.
I love all of you people. It's a game… I'm actually crying now.
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