the negative community narrative and the confirmation bias effect.

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Terribly sorry.

You seem to be inferring I'm an idiot and I should listen to you. So you're actually saying that the game is not dead, and that it will not die?

I'm encouraged. No, seriously, you've picked me right up.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. If you want to participate in a discussion forum I suggest you actually read and try to understand what people write. Otherwise it's a waste of time for everybody involved. Stop putting words in my mouth.
 
Yes, these people exist, but it's maybe 1/10. The community (or better the loudest part in the Dangerous Discussion subsection) is absolutely toxic.

Looks like you've just joined the club, making a statement like that. Seriously though, I disagree with your assessment. I've met the toxic ones, and they tend not to last long, because they get banned.

Also, "toxic" takes many forms - too much sugar is just as unhealthy as too much salt.
 
Also, "toxic" takes many forms - too much sugar is just as unhealthy as too much salt.


Yes, I absolutely agree with that. But if someone says: "Look Frontier, we, the community, told you so!" He is making it too easy. The community said lots of things and they rarely agreed on something.
 
Nicely put Boff'in. However one thing I vehemently disagree with is this:

Everyones opinions are valid, and tell a part of the story from a certain perspective (even if the language can be colourfull at times)

While everyone is ENTITLED to an opinion, NOT EVERY OPINION is valid. An opinion based on incorrect information, false premises or flights of emotional fancy have absolutely no validity. This is a fundamental issue with the world today. People have misinterpreted this point on opinions frequently. An opinion that isn't based on verified facts has absolutely zero value to any discussion, and in fact all it does is muddy discussion/feedback etc
 
The community said lots of things and they rarely agreed on something.

Looking at the Beyond forum with the Crime and Punishment flavours, it seems a consensual exercise to me. I'm both heartened and encouraged.

A part of what needed to happen is to find a process through which the majoritive pattern could be recognised. Seems to be happening.

All good stuff.
 
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While everyone is ENTITLED to an opinion, NOT EVERY OPINION is valid. An opinion based on incorrect information, false premises or flights of emotional fancy have absolutely no validity.

I kind of agree with this to a point. I think the validity of any forum poster in voicing opinions is something that is earnt, rather than a right. Too many folks blurt out stuff, expecting it to be accepted by the majority and consensualised, and then either get divisive, hypocritical or downright teddy chucking about it when it isn't. Nature of the internet I'm afraid. And the Community Managers know that. They are good at recognising the patterns, or even when someone is being sarcastic without using a winky smiley face. It's a part of the job. Just leave it to them and have a laugh.

You just have to navigate any public forum with an element of experience and an attempt to be open minded. Even...at a push...well adjusted.

This place is never going to be a peer reviewed source of academic prowess, but the wisdom of the crowd is identifiable for those that actually look. It's great to know that the powers that be are now doing so.

Which is sometimes difficult I know, I mean, have you been outside lately?

I saw a kid run into a wall the other day, without looking up from his phone. Presumably there was a Pokemon behind it.

I almost crashed the car I laughed so hard.
 
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Pretty obvious there will be more complaint threads on game forums, if people think a game is awesome they are busy playing it but when something goes wrong, makes them angry or is boring they are more likely to be on a forum posting about it and this game has more than its fair shore of problems some of which are FDs fault and some are because its trying some new things.
 
I kind of agree with this to a point. I think the validity of any forum poster in voicing opinions is something that is earnt, rather than a right. Too many folks blurt out stuff, expecting it to be accepted by the majority and consensualised, and then either get divisive, hypocritical or downright teddy chucking about it when it isn't. Nature of the internet I'm afraid. And the Community Managers know that. They are good at recognising the patterns, or even when someone is being sarcastic without using a winky smiley face. It's a part of the job. Just leave it to them and have a laugh.

You just have to navigate any public forum with an element of experience and an attempt to be open minded. Even...at a push...well adjusted.

This place is never going to be a peer reviewed source of academic prowess, but the wisdomn of the crowd is identifiable for those that actually look. It's great to know that the powers that be are now doing so.

Which is sometimes difficult I know, I mean, have you been outside lately?

I saw a kid run into a wall the other day, without looking up from his phone. Presumably there was a Pokemon behind it.

I almost crashed the car I laughed so hard.

Every opinion IS valid but not necessarily to other people, any opinion I hold whatever misinformation or lack of knowledge it's based on is valid to me because it's my opinion. no one else has to take any notice of it as it may not be valid to them but you can't dismiss as simply not valid at all because it is, to ME and i chose to share it.

So, treat it as horse if you like, but not as totally invalid.
 
Looking at the Beyond forum with the Crime and Punishment flavours, it seems a consensual exercise to me. I'm both heartened and encouraged.

A part of what needed to happen is to find a process through which the majoritive pattern could be recognised. Seems to be happening.

All good stuff.
I said rarely, not never ;)
 
Every opinion IS valid but not necessarily to other people, any opinion I hold whatever misinformation or lack of knowledge it's based on is valid to me because it's my opinion. no one else has to take any notice of it as it may not be valid to them but you can't dismiss as simply not valid at all because it is, to ME and i chose to share it.

So, treat it as horse if you like, but not as totally invalid.

Well, opinion is subjective isn't it. Maybe the thing we can agree on?

What's that Chinese proverb...? "Understanding is a triple edged sword. My side, your side...and the truth."

Getting at the truth is the trick. In an open system with many permutations and ways forward, factoring in many choices, by many different types of personality and beliefs....objective truth is difficult to come to understand. So a consensus is not only something that can be attacked or subscribed to, but it is a necessary vehicle for progress.

Like a horse.

Or something like that.
 
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Well, opinion is subjective isn't it. Maybe the thing we can agree on?

What's that Chinese proverb...? "Understanding is a triple edged sword. My side, your side...and the truth."

Getting at the truth is the trick. In an open system with many permutations and ways forward, factoring in many choices, by many different types of personality and beliefs....objective truth is difficult to come to understand. So a consensus is not only something that can be attacked or subscribed to, but it is a necessary vehicle for progress.

Like a horse.

Or something like that.

I think what's more problematic is that many people misinterpret each other on top of having different opinions...
 
The problem is that the expectations set by Frontier are not being met in a timely manner.

Define "timely" please. I suspect peoples opinion of timely is very different. I also suspect FD have a different definition too.
 
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