Elite Dangerous is the Largest Empty Sandbox Ever Made

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Personally, I think FD would be wise to use the much-entrenched BGS system as the means to create a PvP flag system in Open.

Remove any affect BGS has on Open from Solo/PG- but then enable it as THE "flagging" system for engaging other players freely in Open. People say "PvP flagging can't be done", and I say- it's already there. Expand PG's abilities in Open and make PvP gameplay consensual instead. (no more free targets)

Wanna engage in PvP? Choose a "side" from the BGS- and now you have it. If you're Solo/PG and want to engage in the BGS to affect Open play- then you'll need to log into Open where you become fair game.

How's that for "compromise"?
 
Personally, I think FD would be wise to use the much-entrenched BGS system as the means to create a PvP flag system in Open.

Remove any affect BGS has on Open from Solo/PG- but then enable it as THE "flagging" system for engaging other players freely in Open. People say "PvP flagging can't be done", and I say- it's already there. Expand PG's abilities in Open and make PvP gameplay consensual instead. (no more free targets)

Wanna engage in PvP? Choose a "side" from the BGS- and now you have it. If you're Solo/PG and want to engage in the BGS to affect Open play- then you'll need to log into Open where you become fair game.

How's that for "compromise"?

Well I don't know about you, but I bought a game that explicitly stated that there is a shared galaxy that I could affect from any game mode.
 
Here's the thing; frontier have a portion of the community who actively refuse to accept the ToS, but play anyway. There is no fix for that. Attempting to programatically resolve that, seems to be the endless pursuit of this forum. The game has several core issues; solving commanders complaints, whom actively refuse to accept the ToS, but play anyway, is not one of them.

I'm not saying 'disagree with', one can elect to respect a thing, even if they disagree with it. I mean fundamentally reject it and refuse to abide by it. The endless demands for 'modes' to be distorted, almost always stem from that fundamental refusal. Frontier made a controversial (at the time) decision, and they've been pilloried and cajoled over game modes, ever since.

Which is repeatedly ignorant of that fact that 'modes' are just rules processed by matchmaking for instance selection. Nothing more. Modes aren't the problem. Unification of experience across matchmaking, possibly is. But 'modes' are used to label and pigeon hole others. Used to judge, to scold, to mock, deride or abuse.

The player base who want to see the game succeed, are exhausted. And Frontier seem almost oblivious (or in denial) that that could happen. Meanwhile, they are dragged about by people who refuse to accept the fundamental precepts of the game, reject the ToS, but play anyway, who don't seem to care if the world burns, as long as they get what they want.

I think Frontier is at a true crossroads; mature and grow the experience, or maintain the status-quo. I have no idea how they move forward here. I hope they can find a way.

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Here's the thing; frontier have a portion of the community who actively refuse to accept the ToS, but play anyway. There is no fix for that. Attempting to programatically resolve that, seems to be the endless pursuit of this forum. The game has several core issues; solving commanders complaints, whom actively refuse to accept the ToS, but play anyway, is not one of them.

I'm not saying 'disagree with', one can elect to respect a thing, even if they disagree with it. I mean fundamentally reject it and refuse to abide by it. The endless demands for 'modes' to be distorted, almost always stem from that fundamental refusal. Frontier made a controversial (at the time) decision, and they've been pilloried and cajoled over game modes, ever since.

The player base who want to see the game succeed, are exhausted. And Frontier seem almost oblivious (or in denial) that that could happen. Meanwhile, they are dragged about by people who refuse to accept the fundamental precepts of the game, reject the ToS, but play anyway.

what tos? this is game design, not tos. players are suggesting changes (small and large) to that design. there is nothing wrong with that. (what you say actually applies to e.g. cloggers)

I think Frontier is at a crossroads. I have no idea how they move forward here. I hope they can find a way.

because it's a 'bad' design. thank you for pointing out! :D (no developer was harmed during the writing of this statement!)
 
I think part of the reason we see this weird kind of disconnect between various Fdev members being all overly enthusiastic about some feature/new addition and the playerbase comments ranging from "really?" to "Are you frickin kidding?" is because in general the playerbase is clocking in at triple to quadruple digits of play time and know this game front to back, whilst Fdev employees give the strong impression of clocking in single to (big maybe here) double digits.

Commanders are exhausted, Frontier is partially in denial. The game, it's mechanics, and delivery are all suffering as a consequence.

I hope something gives, soon. Opportunities present only so often, before they can be gone for good, never to be seen again. Frontier captured lightning in a bottle. I genuinely hope they can actually do something with it. I'm tired of saying "Elite has so much potential". I want to actually experience it.
 
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Commanders are exhausted, Frontier is partially in denial.

funny. could we swap that? cmdrs are in denial, frontier is exhausted? just as a little thought experiment of course, every humanist libertarian knows that the customer is always right!
 
funny. could we swap that? cmdrs are in denial, frontier is exhausted? just as a little thought experiment of course, every humanist libertarian knows that the customer is always right!

Sure. If you want. But most commanders who are in denial, would never know and wouldn't believe you anyway, and probably say something like "you have it all backwards"; that's sort of the point.

PS: it's both.
 
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I remember there was a forum poll where people asked to have a separate server for Open, It got FD's attention and people objected to the idea... Figure that one out.
I would be willing to start from scratch just to be in a different universe than all PG and Solo players.
 
Its not a sandbox. In no way is it a sandbox.

Players can not influence the universe in any meaningful way.

Making up your own fantasy role play within the hard limits of the game, is not a sandbox.
 
If you want to fill the sandbox. Join a wing and make your own sand.

Since joining a wing I've been flat out with the Wing goals and have an actual purpose now
 
Well honestly you can't blame FDEV for trying to be realistic, even your body is 99.99% nothing, space is 99.999999999% nothing and nothing in between nothing. Unless you are a neutron star, then you can bet it's packed there, but they are really small on galaxy scale. So yeah it's very realistic to have insanely huge are with nothing in it.

Realistic? Yes. Fun? Nnnnnope. Games are fun, can we get some fun? In fun i mean depth, and not just linear crap like exploration revam where you push more buttons to do surface scan, composition scan, altimetry scan. No this is not depth!
Like more interactive scan, like focusing on one point that is moving and depending on how good you are focusing, the resulting scan would be as good, and when you are good enough you get some reward anomaly zone, and if... so yeah you need lot of ifs in game to make depth.

There is lot of tech and AMAZING science put into ED, it's time to put some fun and depth in it too!

Ah good old minecraft, just pick your lego set (modpack) and you can build anything from fantasy castles to magical dragon technology to steam punk factories to survival medieval times to expanding one block in sky to insane dimensions. Minecraft have probably the biggest depth thanks to mods. Also it contains space program too!

Depth is love depth is life!
 
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Actually it is clashed into your face, but once you finish this one ride it gets repetitive and you only get to ride this one roller coaster again and again.
 
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Well I don't know about you, but I bought a game that explicitly stated that there is a shared galaxy that I could affect from any game mode.
What? You looked into a game before buying it?

Silly man. You should know you should first assume all sorts of things about the game, then buy it, then find out your assumptions were false and then blaming your screw up on the part of the community who looked into the game and were happy with what they bought (that would be you) and Frontier for not making the game the voices in your head told you the game would be.

What were you thinking man?
cmdrs are in denial
I'm not in denial!
 
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Well I don't know about you, but I bought a game that explicitly stated that there is a shared galaxy that I could affect from any game mode.

That's the thing isn't it, it would be a tough one (not an impossible one) for FD to backpedal on.
Money changed hands because of it.
I'm an interested follower of upcoming MMOs and MMORPGs, and there's quite a few of them.
As soon as i read the terms "open world" and "PvP", the chance of me buying it drops very close to zero.
I understand there is a market for these games, and that's cool. I wish them the best of luck.
In short, i would not have bought ED, had it been "open only" with ffa PvP.
Luckily, FD's stance on this remains adament.
 
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