Basic question about ED is it MMO or Co-op single player.

[babelfisch]

I found the last total war trailer I saw quite fitting to its parent game and suitably captured its p
spirit. Was one of the warhammer ones.

Total War trailers never show the campaing map which is 90% of the game.

PS
And they even call them 'in-engine' trailers, because they use their game engine to create them. You can't do any of what you see though.
Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. I do know what a trailer is.

 

[Jack Schitt]

Stitch, you need to look up the words "option" and optional", then re-read what you quoted. Robert is not contradictory here. Direct PVP is optional. The player-influence BGS is not.

 

[Muetdhiver]

If you don't know what a cinematic trailer is I suggest you stop to base your purchase decisions on it. Have you seen the last WoW trailer? Or Total War? I can't walk around and decapitate people.

Yeah I know. This is why I don't blame them too much. Still poor ethics IMO.

Some games are able to show truthfull marketing videos from (shock !) actual ingame footage (and even more shockingly !) sell. I know it's most bizare.

My impression is that when a company does that : they are not confident in their product or its target demographic. => red flag for me.
Actual ingame footage => positive sign. Link to actual gameplay videos => even more.

ED is a good game anyway, just not the one they are selling

 

[StiTch]

No, I think that if you look at the marketing materials, such as the marketing videos on steam, then ahem what you get is no what you see there. In that StiTch is 100% correct.

Let say that FD puts a 2h video of someone shooting at rocks to find unobtainium for engineering, then the marketing material would be more truthfull. Would sell less than hectic
space battle videos near stations and super quick travel though. (Where is the 200K ls travel marketing video ? Forgot that one too eh FD ? )

I don't blame them too much for that, since it seems everyone does it. But still. :/

I don't mind "liberal" examples of gameplay. I get a chuckle watching trailers for games I already play and thinking "jeez, that's all the best action from about the entire release condensed into...twenty seconds. Someone show me where I missed this level of constant explosions and firepower and controlling massive mechanoids -_-"

I do mind mis-selling the premise of the game. ED is about as far as possible from a game that lets you blaze your own trail, or indeed be significant in any way by yourself without ironically being part of a known terrorist organisation - in which case you're known on the forums more than anything. It's a game where influence on the galaxy explicitly exists around sheer numbers of players doing the most grind.

Stitch, you need to look up the words "option" and optional", then re-read what you quoted. Robert is not contradictory here. Direct PVP is optional. The player-influence BGS is not.

In which case we can agree that not all game modes are equal, and that PG/Solo is the preferred game mode for FD.

"all playstyles are equal and valid" or "PvE is the only relevant style": pick one and stick with it.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I don't need to say any more, and won't to derail OP any further.

Will just leave this here for reference - thanks Rob

Not sure what your point is - given that the game offers pretty much unavoidable PvE.

You're all "PvErs". Yes, even you playing in Open exclusively - unless you can prove that every single credit you made was against another human Commander

.... the only "pure" PvP part of the game is CQC/Arena - and that seems to be shunned.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

ED doesn't know what it is.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I don't mind "liberal" examples of gameplay. I get a chuckle watching trailers for games I already play and thinking "jeez, that's all the best action from about the entire release condensed into...twenty seconds. Someone show me where I missed this level of constant explosions and firepower and controlling massive mechanoids -_-"

Pretty much every movie trailer out there. The times I have seen a movire trailer and gone, that looks good, only to see the movie and the best bits where in the trailer and the rest of the movie was forgettable.

I do mind mis-selling the premise of the game. ED is about as far as possible from a game that lets you blaze your own trail, or indeed be significant in any way by yourself without ironically being part of a known terrorist organisation. It's a game where influence on the galaxy explicitly exists around sheer numbers of players doing the most grind.

I seem to be blazing my own trail pretty fine at the moment. Obvioulsy you only blaze your own trail with the tools the game gives you. Thought that was obvious.

 

[StiTch]

I seem to be blazing my own trail pretty fine at the moment. Obvioulsy you only blaze your own trail with the tools the game gives you. Thought that was obvious.

That's fine if ED suits your version of trailblazing though, and I would have thought that was obvious.

ED has the tools but not the intention.

Which is fine, but if you're going to create that game...be open about it. Don't pretend individual CMDRs make the difference.

 

[babelfisch]

Yeah I know. This is why I don't blame them too much. Still poor ethics IMO.

Some games are able to show truthfull marketing videos from (shock !) actual ingame footage (and even more shockingly !) sell. I know it's most bizare.

My impression is that when a company does that : they are not confident in their product or its target demographic. => red flag for me.
Actual ingame footage => positive sign. Link to actual gameplay videos => even more.

ED is a good game anyway, just not the one they are selling

I can't remember seeing a trailer with actual ingame footage for any game since 10 years. They always remove the HUD, apply filters, use cuts, camera perspectives, etc. I do know about development videos showing ingame footage though, but AFAIK they exist for ED as well. Anyway, fair enough

 

[Goose4291]

Not sure what your point is - given that the game offers pretty much unavoidable PvE.

What happened to your stock answer that '2 of the 3 elites dont require combat?'

 

[babelfisch]

See, you're confusing 'literal interpretation' with 'spirit' again. The ED trailers for me dont capture the spirit of the game in its current state and are nearly (overexaggeration for comedic effect) as bad as the Battlecruiser 3000AD marketing campaign

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/a3/5c/a8a35c5a7f5ea6003d0f0897cf2250f5.jpg

http://www.3000ad.com/press/bc3k_promo2.jpg

But "feeling the spirit" is 100% subjective and can't be labelled as false advertising (= I did not get what they sold me).

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Yeah I know. This is why I don't blame them too much. Still poor ethics IMO.

Some games are able to show truthfull marketing videos from (shock !) actual ingame footage (and even more shockingly !) sell. I know it's most bizare.

My impression is that when a company does that : they are not confident in their product or its target demographic. => red flag for me.
Actual ingame footage => positive sign. Link to actual gameplay videos => even more.

ED is a good game anyway, just not the one they are selling

There's tens of 'mechanics introduction' videos on ED Youtube channel showing actual gameplay, and even then at minimalist scale.

They are selling game alright. Seriously, why we even discuss this? Want to remove any player agency from making decisions to buy game?

 

[babelfisch]

What happened to your stock answer that '2 of the 3 elites dont require combat?'

You can play against the environment without combat. Be a trader and escape a pirate doesn't involve combat, it involves the absence of it.

 

[Robert Maynard]

What happened to your stock answer that '2 of the 3 elites dont require combat?'

Simply because combat does not need to be against another CMDR....

 

[Brrokk]

It's a great game. I can play it on my own or with a group of friends; I suspect it's in a category all on its own. I don't agree with any of the "fails" quoted in OP.

 

[Lateralus]

It's a game where influence on the galaxy explicitly exists around sheer numbers of players doing the most grind.

We have a winner.

Those buying the game expecting a dynamic and rewarding MMO experience will be left disappointed.

Adversarial play should be encouraged by Frontier, not stifled - this would not affect solo/PG players who don't want to get involved.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

That's fine if ED suits your version of trailblazing though, and I would have thought that was obvious.

Well, yes. Thankfully we have a plathora of games out there to play that may suite other peoples playstyles.

ED has the tools but not the intention.

What does that mean?

Which is fine, but if you're going to create that game...be open about it. Don't pretend individual CMDRs make the difference.

Individual commanders do make a difference if there are enough of them. One person is not going to do much in changing the BGS with a population of billions, but you sure can in a system with a population in the thousands.

The tools are there, how you use them us up to you. But I certainly want those tools to be expanded, I would like to see more consequences to your actions to make the game a bit more interesting.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

That's fine if ED suits your version of trailblazing though, and I would have thought that was obvious.

ED has the tools but not the intention.

Which is fine, but if you're going to create that game...be open about it. Don't pretend individual CMDRs make the difference.

People singlehandedly flipping systems and boosting factions they support - like me in Rauras - would like to have a word with you.

I accidentally made one of systems I reside in and trade and transport passengers in anarchy.

Because it doesn't suit your assumption about how players should impact game doesn't mean there's no impact. Just not an impact you want. Just not a game you want.

It is not that hard just to admit it is a game you don't enjoy and move on.

 

[babelfisch]

We have a winner.

Those buying the game inspecting a dynamic and rewarding MMO experience will be left disappointed.

Adversarial play should be encouraged by Frontier, not stifled - this would not affect solo/PG players who don't want to get involved.

What is a dynamic and rewarding MMO experience?

 

[StiTch]

Yeah I know. This is why I don't blame them too much. Still poor ethics IMO.

Some games are able to show truthfull marketing videos from (shock !) actual ingame footage (and even more shockingly !) sell. I know it's most bizare.

My impression is that when a company does that : they are not confident in their product or its target demographic. => red flag for me.
Actual ingame footage => positive sign. Link to actual gameplay videos => even more.

ED is a good game anyway, just not the one they are selling

I don't mind how "exciting" the trailers are. I actually pretty much straight up ignore trailers: if I pick up a game I get stuck into it, and usually because it was recommended by a friend or I caught wind of an online advertisement explaining what the game does.

Things like graphics are the last thing to pull me in. I'm actually of the strange belief that graphical quality means very little for 95% of games (arbitrary numbers, yay!). Once you're immersed in the gameplay, only shockingly bad graphics or graphical artifacts pull you out; it takes a game like ED in VR to appreciate good graphical quality constantly. So trailers really don't do it for me, and in fact if I see a game with truly impeccable textures etc. in the trailer, it puts me off...would rather the devs of a game focus on the gameplay thanks.

But the worse - and mean the absolute worst - is games trying to sell themselves off pre-orders. "Buy this £50 game months before we release anything but a overglorified trailer and we'll give you this free backpack skin!"

Thanks but...no thanks.

Individual commanders do make a difference if there are enough of them.

Spoiler

Jokes aside, that could 100% be the tagline of the ED. I truly, truly love it mate.

What is a dynamic and rewarding MMO experience?

Something that lets players directly and indirectly influence the galaxy is a good start.