Not you sure what you at, that's how bulk passengers on regular basis.
Mode switching for missions and Smeaton Orbital [200mill/hour]
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Not you sure what you at, that's how bulk passengers on regular basis.
Oh well, probably for the best.
Now I can focus on getting my other ranks to Elite, too.
Now I can focus on getting my other ranks to Elite, too.
The did say “...will be disabling (until further notice) the aforementioned element of Passenger Bulk missions....”, so I read as a temporary “fix”. They must have felt that they had to do something drastically about it right now.
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well missions were nerfed .for 15 refugees u now get 500000 to take them 1.800000 ls.ant that 8a power plant tops at 156000000 cr.so that would make 300 runs to smeaton 45 minute each.13500 minutes total.225 hours of gameplay for that power plant.even if you stack 5 missions u still need 45 hours and at a rate about 2 hours/day gives us aprox 24 days.im just not gonna do it.
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18 million is one 50 minute massacre mission in a CZ.
50 million rebuy is nothing on a ship your'e not going to lose more often that once every six months, even if you're stupidly reckless.
You can make enough money in combat to afford the rebuy of any medium ship in an hour or two, even without PP bonuses or the like.
You seem to be using a rather hypocritical image there..
I said the issue of board flipping is a necessary mechanic when it shouldn't be. With FDev ignoring board rolling as an exploit there will always be another Robigo, Quince or Smeaton while the people who play the game normally will feel the pinch worse due to nerfs to both mission rewards & availability algorithms.
Here's an example:
Yeah, if you run into some insane gold rush of a CZ before the forum dads come along and demand it be nerfed.
Put in a less snarky way, your numbers are not realistic for the average player and 18m/hour for a CZ is not average payout.
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You're right. I couldn't get away since he was in a faster ship. He was on silent running, so couldn't target him with my turrets. I should have just exited the game when he attacked me. Or right, that's combat logging, he'll complain and I'll get removed from being able to play online.
See the point? Don't let your ship get blown up is easier said than done.
If you exit in battle, combat log, you get punished.
If you get blown up, you need to rebuy your ship and that's a few hours of grinding a hazardous resource site to remake the money.
What's your educated suggestion now?
Hey I hate those guys too - but let's fix that problem, rather than breaking other things so we don't have to.
This one thread you mean? Meh. People were mostly happy on the stream. As others have pointed out there are plenty of other ways of making money. This is all a silly strop in a teacup and the game will carry on absolutely fine.
Do the local runs - 3 or 4 systems havea mix of requirements between them and you're only looking at 5-10 mins travel time in between.
VIP & data deliveries still work just fine.
So, while it will require more board flipping, ~110Mil per trip is still possible.
The executioner's sword didn't quite get through in one swing..... Smeaton is spasming in agony!
So, while it will require more board flipping, ~110Mil per trip is still possible.
The executioner's sword didn't quite get through in one swing..... Smeaton is spasming in agony!
PP bonuses are nothing more than a subsidy for the work we do/credits we sink in to fast track, if you are serious about PP, 10k merits is not a lot and 50mill is nothing more than a subsidy for that work.
Also 18 million in 50 minutes, what kind of tagger are you using for that? The last 20 mill CZ mission I got was 108 ships, you do that in 50 minutes yea?
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silly to dismiss everyone's complaints.. particularly if they may be handpicking whose comments they show at their stream. Even if they aren't/weren't, I would hope people who comment here count too.
The fact is they've gone too far the other way.. there is no way I should be making more for close by systems 100 ls from star then those taking folks 1.8 k/ls away. to Smeaton Orbital.
Mining: mining focusing on Painite alone can make 30-60MCr/hour when done in a pristine metallic RES. Not easy and requires practice (can be done in a wing for faster prospecting and really good use of wing trade bonuses for even more profit) but effective. https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteMiners/comments/6ynhnx/several_miningnewbie_questions/dmop90b/
Passengers: I checked this evening after this announcement and there's still a way to make at least 50 MCr/hour, maybe a bit more, from passengers - that's with an Anaconda, other ships will be less. (VIPs rather than bulk, this one)
(I'm pretty sure there's a second way with VIP passengers too, that would get about 50 MCr/hour averaged out ... but it would require some intense buckyballing and a well-engineered Anaconda to make that much off it, definitely not an easy option)
Cargo hauling: Cargo hauling by bulk trade ... no, probably not quite, though it wouldn't surprise me if someone has a 20 MCr/hour route. Cargo hauling missions, easy - a single Elite-ranked Palladium haul mission will pay over 10 million when Allied, for a one-hop trip which can be completed in 5-10 minutes and takes 180t of cargo space. (near-Elite Palladium, or Elite Gold/Silver hauling, will pay 3-8 million as well, sometimes for smaller amounts of cargo, so you're not just tied to a really specific mission - the whole set works). There are systems which generate a lot of these to a relatively small set of destinations, so grab a cargo ship and fill up.
Agreed,,, Felicia Winters has to massively haul to win expansions against her Imperial Enemies undermining her (the majority of them in solo or private group where we can't hunt them to stop them turning in while they hunt our haulers in open.. but that's another problem Fdev doesnt wanna discuss/another story)
This "disable" wont hurt us so much this cycle.. but in upcoming cycles.. it certainly will if it isnt modified somewhat as promised.. Hauling vs those who expand in combat needs to be addressed.. or we need a way to be able to counter us being outnumbered 4-1 by the Empire. It is a massively expensive undertaking and the 50 million bonus at rating 5 if you get there does nowhere near to address it.
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My suspicion is that the multiplier is linear with distance (supercruise travel times are of course not at all linear)
So if they set it so that Hutton Orbital gets the prices they intended, they might as well take it out entirely for basically everywhere else.
Fixing it to have a non-linear formula that related more closely to expected travel time is hopefully coming in the updated missions for beyond, but I would guess not something they wanted to hot-patch in right now.
It’s not a nerf. The algorithm that rewards players based on the distance from the star is DISABLED untill further notice. Read the post: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...200mill-hour?p=6326366&viewfull=1#post6326366 . They are basically saying “yes, long range passenger missions (transportation) is not viable now because of this, but it will probably return later in a more balanced form”. That’s how I read it.
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So they broke something else. There really needs to be no "nerfs" till all the broke "stuffs" in the game are fixed. Broke stuffs: AI running into you at stations, docking computers for several ships, materials not spawning in adequate quantity - or at all, mission icons on stations that you have already turned in all the missions for, star filter resetting after landing at engineer bases or switching ships, to name just a few.
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Just want to voice my disappointment at this reaction. There is a very real problem in Elite, it's the end game ships and their prices. The prices are so high they require very high paying jobs, or a years worth of work to achieve. Once one of those lovely ships is owned, the rebuy can be north of 30 million. Depending on job activity, that can be days, or even weeks to recover.
Sadly, a lot of things that are fun in ED are not profitable. SRV racing, Canyon racing, piracy and other such things are examples of this. They require the player not to care about credits, or to have enough credits that they can do whatever they want to. Bulk passenger missions represented a high paying job that didn't require a lot of time investment for the payout. That allows more time to be spent doing what is enjoyable. Please remember, at it's heart, Elite Dangerous is a play it your way game.
Introduce problem B. Engineered big ships are incredibly hard to kill. That really reduces the elite universe from dangerous to a boring grind. What is lacking is high paying jobs with high risks. Sure, high risks can be found with Thargoids, but they really don't pay out for all the damage they do to a ship. This leaves players either grinding enough credits to do what they want, or simply skipping activities because the reward isn't there.
Nerfing passenger missions is a knee jerk reaction, and I say that because a proper review and adjustment is significantly better than disabling them. I'd like to point out that OP's post can be read as "mining doesn't pay enough for end game content. Look at the other options you can do!" Even if the other options are nerfed into the ground, mining still doesn't pay enough to fuel end game content. How many hours of mining does it take to cover a 30 million rebuy?
Now you could argue, you should never get a 30 million rebuy unless you do something dumb (like targeting thargoids). However this sort of view is exactly what drives players away from Open. Why play in open when dying takes 2 weeks to recover?
The crappy thing is (from my perspective) FW used this to get half their systems back and now it's nerfed it'll be a lot harder to get take em off em again.