Why are we being robbed of grade 5 in the engineering conversion for no reason?

[Bob Lighthouse]

FD is deliberately choosing to invalidate a massive grind that they have no need to invalidate. It's a deliberate choice because they want us to repeat 2 years of work that we've already done. They clearly have no plans to develop actual content or to make the game worth playing with properly developed gameplay, so instead they're "encouraging" everyone to repeat a massive Engineering grind again to remain competitive.

It's nothing like buying a car or a computer. How is that not clear?

It is very much like a car or computer.
Well, you don't get cheap/easy car upgrades...

When the company decides to give the new consumer "more" as time goes on, should people who already own said goods similarly feel "disenfranchised"?
Of course not.
There's even planned obsolescence in the real world.

This isn't "new" content, correct.
It's fixing existing content, just like they said the focus would be for Beyond.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

FD is deliberately choosing to invalidate a massive grind that they have no need to invalidate. It's a deliberate choice because they want us to repeat 2 years of work that we've already done. They clearly have no plans to develop actual content or to make the game worth playing with properly developed gameplay, so instead they're "encouraging" everyone to repeat a massive Engineering grind again to remain competitive.

It's nothing like buying a car or a computer. How is that not clear?

You remind me of people who try and sell five year old laptops on the internet for marginally less than they paid for it five years ago, even though people can get far superior laptops brand new today for considerably less...because they somehow have it in their minds that what they paid for it way back when is somehow still relevant today.

Listen, we all get that you and a handful of others are outraged by this, but I really think that the overwhelming majority of players see things very differently than you do, and no ones minds are going to be changed either way. I suspect that in the end, you will keep complaining, but at the same time, keep playing.

For myself, here over the past week, I finally started to seriously unlock several engineers, and begin to collect materials for my anticipated modules, as well as for trading with the mat traders, and damn, has it been a blast!

 

[Devari]

You remind me of people who try and sell five year old laptops on the internet for marginally less than they paid for it five years ago

Sorry, but FD choosing to intentionally invalidate 2 years of Engineering grind is nothing like buying a laptop. It's a deliberate, intentional decision by FD to force players to do more grind because they are utterly incapable of providing meaningful game content that players want to play.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Sorry, but FD choosing to intentionally invalidate 2 years of Engineering grind is nothing like buying a laptop. It's a deliberate, intentional decision by FD to force players to do more grind because they are utterly incapable of providing meaningful game content that players want to play.

That isn't true at all.
You yourself will be also doing less grind for better modules, because as I recall, you don't even have any current "god-rolls".
They are removing grind, even for you.
Now you can get an amazing PD, DD5s and FSDs, on a dozen ships in the time you've managed to spend *not* getting a single set of great DD5s.
You'd be working on that task for the next 10 years in the old system.

 

[Devari]

It is very much like a car or computer.

Sorry, but it's not the same thing at all. My current computer is 5 years old and still works just fine. If I want to player a newer, better game that provides a far superior gaming experience, I might need to upgrade, but I certainly don't need to do so just to play the same games I've already been playing. Giving us a better game is not what FD is doing with 3.0. They are not providing a better game or gaming experience with new types of goals to achieve. They are simply increasing numbers in a spreadsheet and expecting players to repeat work that they have already done to get those higher numbers attached to their ship.

I've seen many other online games do the same thing, and usually it happens when the developers truly have zero intention of further developing the gameplay. This is usually around the same time that longstanding players who were hoping the game might be properly developed decide to leave the game because they realize that all they have to look forward to is to see their prior progress "reset" to a point where they have to do it all over again for no actual purpose.

 

[Mohrgan]

Sorry, but FD choosing to intentionally invalidate 2 years of Engineering grind is nothing like buying a laptop. It's a deliberate, intentional decision by FD to force players to do more grind because they are utterly incapable of providing meaningful game content that players want to play.

So, stop. You can just keep the Mods you have tortured yourself to get to t5, and be done with it. You are in control of the effort/time you put into this video game. Just stop where you are and nothing is lost. Boom. Problem solved.

 

[Devari]

That isn't true at all.

Yes, it is, and I've explained why numerous times.

Pretending that there "isn't a problem" doesn't constitute an actual discussion of the issue. If you don't understand how much work that players have already put into the Engineering system to achieve their current results then I can't help you here. Either you understand the issue I'm describing because you've put the work into the current system, or you don't, but pretending that a massive 2 year grind didn't happen is just ridiculous.

 

[ExoForce]

It's just a game after all.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Yes, it is, and I've explained why numerous times.

Pretending that there "isn't a problem" doesn't constitute an actual discussion of the issue. If you don't understand how much work that players have already put into the Engineering system to achieve their current results then I can't help you here. Either you understand the issue I'm describing because you've put the work into the current system, or you don't, but pretending that a massive 2 year grind didn't happen is just ridiculous.

Can I haz you stuff

 

[Straha Yeagar]

Yes, it is, and I've explained why numerous times.

Pretending that there "isn't a problem" doesn't constitute an actual discussion of the issue. If you don't understand how much work that players have already put into the Engineering system to achieve their current results then I can't help you here. Either you understand the issue I'm describing because you've put the work into the current system, or you don't, but pretending that a massive 2 year grind didn't happen is just ridiculous.

That's their own fault then.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Yes, it is, and I've explained why numerous times.

Pretending that there "isn't a problem" doesn't constitute an actual discussion of the issue. If you don't understand how much work that players have already put into the Engineering system to achieve their current results then I can't help you here. Either you understand the issue I'm describing because you've put the work into the current system, or you don't, but pretending that a massive 2 year grind didn't happen is just ridiculous.

It's demonstrably not true.
Insisting it is, is simply dishonest.
You are not being forced to do anything.
The grind will be reduced, and results will by and large be much better.
These are objective facts, not something open to interpretation, sorry.

The only valid concerns are the grandfathered, soon to be unobtainable rolls, and power creep in general.

Suggesting people are "pretending" when they are presenting objective facts is what does not constitute an actual discussion...

It's just more and more ad nauseam.

 

[Devari]

That's their own fault then.

So when FD invalidates 2 years of player effort for no reason, it's the player's "fault" for playing the game?

That makes zero sense.

That's like saying that it's a players "fault" for being griefed because they are playing the game.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

So when FD invalidates 2 years of player effort for no reason, it's the player's "fault" for playing the game?

That makes zero sense.

That's like saying that it's a players "fault" for being griefed because they are playing the game.

Nothing's been invalidated - you've still got all your modules.

Get on with it or leave the game.

 

[Devari]

It's demonstrably not true.

Sorry, but if you're not capable of contributing something more to the discussion then pretending an issue doesn't exist I can't help you here. There have been several threads on this topic since the 3.0 beta launched describing the problem.

Nothing's been invalidated - you've still got all your modules.

Get on with it or leave the game.

Also not an actual contribution to the thread.

Telling someone to leave the game because of a legitimate complaint that has been raised in numerous threads is simply trolling.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Sorry, but if you're not capable of contributing something more to the discussion then pretending an issue doesn't exist I can't help you here. There have been several threads on this topic since the 3.0 beta launched describing the problem.



Also not an actual contribution to the thread.

Telling someone to leave the game because of a legitimate complaint that has been raised in numerous threads is simply trolling.

Let me demonstrate why your position is the actual non-discussion.

"You pretending there is a problem doesn't make it so!"

Ha!

So now we are even!
Um, now what?

I suggest looking at the objective facts.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Sorry, but if you're not capable of contributing something more to the discussion then pretending an issue doesn't exist I can't help you here. There have been several threads on this topic since the 3.0 beta launched describing the problem.

Also not an actual contribution to the thread.

Telling someone to leave the game because of a legitimate complaint that has been raised in numerous threads is simply trolling.

You're the one just blowing hot air.

Beyond is about revisiting core features, so it makes sense to look at the thing that has more impact on the game than anything else first.
Given all the options, a small amount of power creep is the least worst one.

Absolutely nothing is being taken away from you.
On Wednesday your ships will be exactly as capable as they are now.

If you expect a modern online game to freeze its features, you're deluded.
I suspect you do know that, and so your choice to invest the time you did was entirely yours.

Your reward was to have those modules, probably top end given the amount of whining that you're doing, for a period of the game when that was the best on offer.
The game moves on, and your choice is to stick or twist.

You don't have to like what FD have decided to do, but it's going to happen, regardless of the volume of your bleating.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

Sorry, but if you're not capable of contributing something more to the discussion then pretending an issue doesn't exist I can't help you here. There have been several threads on this topic since the 3.0 beta launched describing the problem.



Also not an actual contribution to the thread.

Telling someone to leave the game because of a legitimate complaint that has been raised in numerous threads is simply trolling.

Did you also lose your mind when 32bit support was ended?

 

[Devari]

Let me demonstrate why your position is the actual non-discussion.

"You pretending there is a problem doesn't make it so!"

Ha!

Which is exactly what you've been doing. Not interested in dealing with your trolling, so welcome to my ignore list.

 

[Maro-Val]

The new stupid click sim system is fine for someone that has one or two ships, so with 50 or 100 mouse clicks can convert his previously maxed out G5s to the new G5s and he will probably be ok.
For me, on the other hand like many other players, that we have like 15 ships and we busted our behinds to max them out because we want simply the best, we now have to do thousands of clicks again just to maintain the corresponding level on the new system.
And if you want to be competitive in pvp, or racing, or max out again you jump range then good luck with your punishment in the new system.

 

[Devari]

Did you also lose your mind when 32bit support was ended?

Not at all relevant to what we're discussing in this thread. FD is intentionally causing players to repeat a grind. There is absolutely no reason why they can't convert our mods to something that is reasonable in the new system.

Or were you not around when FD nerfed everyone's Engineering mods to "balance" the game and remapped everything to a lower range? Does everyone forget when FD massively nerfed everything and managed to downgrade everyone's modules without any difficulty?