Why are we being robbed of grade 5 in the engineering conversion for no reason?
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LOTS of Burger King's are closing. Something about a Canadian Conspiracy...
Or, a really nasty, dirty Taco Bell.
That's right there is no conversion. You are topped out at the previous grade, no extra code required. And leaving in useless code is a hassle. Someday someone may remove it thinking it's useless and then some player will try to convert some ancient module.
Maybe just creating a G6 level would have helped people understand what's changing. Same outcome, different label.
Well said.
Sorry, but you're the only one in this thread who has resorted to personal attacks. They don't add anything to the discussion and if they continue I will report them.
Because those players have already put in large amounts of effort that is now wasted in the new system. It isn't fair to those players who have worked extremely hard at Engineering over the past 2 years to expect them to start that grind all over again. The purpose of making engineering the Engineering system "better" should never involve devaluing prior effort and expecting players to start a new grind all over again to keep their mods competitive.
Except that the new ranges are so much higher than the old ones that 99.99% of your current modules are now nowhere near the achievable Grade 5 power level in the new system. It's not a "couple of minutes" to get the mats for 5-10 Grade 5 rolls per module, it's a new grind that doesn't acknowledge the work you've already put into those modules.
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You're probably referring to the original 3.0 beta 1 patch. Those values were quite reasonable but it's a dramatic difference with the new ranges they introduced in the 3.0 beta 2 patch. They went from a 135% dirty drive maximum in beta 1 to a 147% dirty drive maximum in beta 2, they just straight-up buffed the range by 12%. For beta 2 they took the absolute theoretical maximum results from the old system that were something like 1 in 1000 rolls or even more rare and used that as the guaranteed maximum in the new system with 5-10 Grade 5 rolls. We're talking 60% FSD ranges, 147% dirty drive tuning, 70% damage increase multicannons.
In the current system you need an average of around 50 Grade 5 rolls to get a 135% dirty drive roll, but none of that work is reflected in the new system when your module is converted. You have to make another 5-10 Grade 5 rolls on top of whatever you already did in the old system, otherwise your old module will be dramatically less powerful than someone starting in the new system. Your prior work is wasted and you need to repeat your Grade 5 grind all over again, no matter how much effort you put into the system over the past 2 years.
My solution was for FD to remap the old results into an appropriate equivalent in the new system, i.e., an old roll of 135% that took 50 rolls actually took more effort than it does to maximize the results in the new system. That player has already put in more than enough Grade 5 grind into that module and it should be converted very close to the top of the current system. If they converted the existing 135% roll to around a 145% roll in the new system (i.e., near the upper end of the new Grade 5 range) that would reflect that prior effort appropriately. It could easily be done, but apparently FD doesn't seem to care that they will be losing many of their longstanding players over the issue if we're forced to re-grind all of our prior Grade 5 rolls.
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The "complaint" of this thread has been hard to follow, with some ranting that the new G5 mods are inferior to existing (according to videos "popping up on youtube") and others complaining that the new G5 mods are vastly superior to current G5 mods.
Is the OP complaining that others will now be able to achieve results that are equal to or better than what the OP currently has, for less effort than what the OP put into getting his current mods?
People always talk about how hard it is to get the materials for G5 DD or how one needs hundreds of rolls to get the best G5 Long Range FSD mods. They're all wrong though. Last month, on three occasions, I spent less than two hours to gather mats for 25 rolls for the G5 long range (starting with zero each time) and each time walked out with three FSDs with the max or higher optimal mass. I have nine FSDs that all give my Annie a 62 to 68ly jump range (i have other mods), and my DBx and AspX over 58ly range. Similar case for the DD mods. Near God rolls consistently achieved in less than ten rolls, and abot an hour of mat gathering, per module.
I suspect that much butthurt is self induced. Not unlike those that can't figure out how to drive the SRV.
Is the OP complaining that others will now be able to achieve results that are equal to or better than what the OP currently has, for less effort than what the OP put into getting his current mods?
People always talk about how hard it is to get the materials for G5 DD or how one needs hundreds of rolls to get the best G5 Long Range FSD mods. They're all wrong though. Last month, on three occasions, I spent less than two hours to gather mats for 25 rolls for the G5 long range (starting with zero each time) and each time walked out with three FSDs with the max or higher optimal mass. I have nine FSDs that all give my Annie a 62 to 68ly jump range (i have other mods), and my DBx and AspX over 58ly range. Similar case for the DD mods. Near God rolls consistently achieved in less than ten rolls, and abot an hour of mat gathering, per module.
I suspect that much butthurt is self induced. Not unlike those that can't figure out how to drive the SRV.
So true. Spot on. +1
Actually, it makes no sense whatsoever. How much time one spends playing doesn't matter. It is sales that matter, and (sane) people don't spend money on things they don't enjoy.
Yeah, but we're talking about a handful of people who are willing to spend hundreds of hours to eek out that last possible combination that will lead to a .02% improvement to match videos that "popped up on youtube" There is no reasoning with that kind of mindset. The best that can be done is to let them bluster themselves out, and pass the roll of paper towels to wash the slobber of the windows.
Oh please; what utter rubbish. Of course it matters how long people play. The longer players are involved with the game, the more store sales FD are likely to make.
As for the new engineering itself, it is another example of Sandro S. and his team deliberately making life as difficult and tedious as possible, especially given the fact that collecting rare mats/data is still an interminable waste of time. And forget the materials broker too; with the current exchange rate, the brokers are a waste of space. But...
...who can blame Sandro and the team for doing what they are doing in the way in which they are doing it when, despite our protestations, we all go on playing anyway?
At present, there is no real alternative to ED. When there is, things might change.
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I've spent the past week or so going after various mats, and the variety of places and things I have done has been quite enjoyable, and dare I say...fun. The only part that got tedious was getting my combat rank to get my Lori Jameson invitation.
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Its a forum post. The "opinion" part ought to be obvious to working brains. I am not going to bother appending to every post I place on the internet. Sorry mate.
I am pretty certain this is part of a plan to push for Free to Play post-Beyond. Credit Boosters. Mat drop boosters. That sort of thing.
Love it! +1
Well that's fine then because you'll keep every single one of them with the exact stats that they have now, so really what on earth is your beef here?
Incidentally I would have thought someone who worked in advertising/marketing and understands the power of properly formatted text would know the difference between LOOSE and LOSE.
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Does rather seem that way. Makes perfect marketing sense too, given the swing away from the season model, multiple platforms, etc.
You know what's "rubbish"? The idea that deliberately upsetting and "making life as tedious and difficult as possible" makes customers use the product more and increases revenue.
Again, sane people do not spend more time and money on products or experiences that they do not enjoy.
In any rational player...the amount of time you spend playing is linearly related to the amount of time you spend playing...
If you're not having fun...why spend time playing?