For me it makes more sense that the military would have access to weapons that would not be available to civilians
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For me it makes more sense that the military would have access to weapons that would not be available to civilians
I personally prefer this.
Oh really? Leaving out RL examples, that's crazy. Of course they have stuffs we, civilians, can't get. Capital Ships, just for a simple start.
You really shouldn't do that. It's petty and a non-argument. Grow up. I'm mean that's really how you handle things in general, right? By putting words into people mouths and then feeling superior? Nice.
Say, 'Hey' to the guys in AA for me.
Yeah, thats kind of my point
If I missed the sarcasm in your post, I apologize. Text is a limited medium. If I hadn't, I'll stand on my sentiment.
I get what you're saying, but I'll qualify what I mean by saying that I don't believe that SJA and team can make an AI ship that would beat the top human players - based purely on how proud FD have been of the existing ATR AI. If this represents the pinnacle of their abilities and they can still be gamed by skilled human pilots even with their unobtainable godmode weaponry, then there's no way they could be effective with weapons and defenses that players can get.
As for solutions, from what I've seen of these ships from YouTube videos or reports on the forum, they all seem to be vultures or pythons or what have you. Where are the Corvettes and Cutters? Maybe they would be more effective with obtainable weaponry if the ships themselves were exclusively made of the Big 3, or better yet, PvP metaships generally - Big 3, FDL, FAS, Reverb Torp Couriers etc... Why go for comparatively weak ships instead and give them godmode weapons?
Doesn't make sense to me. Surely a Corvettes and Cutters would be the go to ships for the elite pilots of the ATR?
IF Frontier's AI programmers have the skill they probably would be well served by giving the ATR some awareness of their other wing members - enough so they start healing each other with beams when one gets low.
All those kinds of tactics would be great, but so far given the solution as FD have presented it, I am skeptical they've got it in them to do that.
All your doing is telling me the developers reasoning, which I've already said both explicitly and implicitly that I think it is cheap and "gamey" and constitutes a real missed opportunity to achieve their goal. I've posted numerous times on this very thread that I think a harsh military response is merited upon criminal infractions and have stated (again, quite explicitly) how it could have been achieved in a more believable fashion, so you haven't rebutted me, you've just been dismissive and rude like you are always everywhere I encounter you, without explaining why local rent-a-cops have access to weapons that the military does not inside the game. If military forces all over the bubble sported these mobile station guns I wouldn't even be talking about it.
And "crying?" You're going to have to go back through the thread provide an example of me doing that, I guess.
Go on. Find another poster to dog. I think the ATR is just what it should be. A unattainable threat. I believe that no matter what method FD used for the purpose there would be peeps crying about how it was done.
FD did just what they said they would do. I'm down with it. You're not. I read you loud and louder, and clear. Find someone else to annoy.
When it comes to accusations of being annoying, you should go back to posts #51 & #52 to see who engaged who in this discussion. While you're doing that, I'll be chalking this disagreement up in the win column.
Have a nice evening
When it comes to accusations of being annoying, you should go back to posts #51 & #52 to see who engaged who in this discussion. While you're doing that, I'll be chalking this disagreement up in the win column.
Have a nice evening
I'd be pleased for you to do what ever it takes to get you to move on. What you put in your win column means about as much as what you had for breakfast. Mock you, I do.
When it comes to accusations of being annoying, you should go back to posts #51 & #52 to see who engaged who in this discussion. While you're doing that, I'll be chalking this disagreement up in the win column.
Have a nice evening
Wohoo for you, your parents must be so proud of your win ...
Why are you and Morgan so determined to drag this off topic? I thought we were talking about the various merits & attributes of the ATR.
Lol. Absolutely amazing. tRumpian in stature.
That is exactly right.
True, this post was supposed to be about the merits of the ATR, but like most threads in DD, it would be hard to ascertain exactly what the topic is by reading the majority of posts. I was just amused at your self proclaimed victory, could just see you doing that JB happy dance around your desk and contemplating who you should message to tell them of your stunning victory.
But back on topic: I like the concept of the ATR, I like the fact they have weapons we the Commanders don't have. I like the fact they are only there to push someone out of an instance, not necessarily destroy them. And it seems the only ones that don't like it are those that are more than likely to get to meet the fine crew of the ATR, i.e. those habituately breaking the law. As the patch notes state: the ATR is only called when a certain number of infractions have been issued within the jurisdiction so those who don't go on a murder hobo spree (whether their targets are Commanders or clean NPCs) don't have a concern.
@M00ka, If you're familiar with the JB "happy dance" that means you pay a lot of attention to my forum stylings, and therefore I can extrapolate that you are a fan. And you guessed it: that's another one that goes in the win column! Buh dum tissss!
More seriously: as far as your thoughts on ATR go, that seems very reasonable to me. It's not my attention to crap on your point, just because you don't agree with mine. I just wanted a little more from them, that's all.
More seriously: as far as your thoughts on ATR go, that seems very reasonable to me. It's not my attention to crap on your point, just because you don't agree with mine. I just wanted a little more from them, that's all.
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They got it from those folks living on Raxxla.
That SJA cannot program anything competent is definitely a misconception.
The 2.1 release showed they could create something even moderately feisty, based on good engineering and some nice tactics. I have absolutely no qualms that SJA could program something much, much better. SJA is one of the good eggs.
However the player base continually soil themselves whenever someone even mentions difficult AI, and proceed to fling the product of their soiling at anyone that suggests it's appropriate or even optional.
Which makes it all too easy for FD to fall back on magic shield disappearing weapons in place of developing believable task forces.
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