Unplayed PMF

[Ryan Murdoc]

Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen o7

I'd like to put this as a general thread in which we could place all the names of PMF who seemingly aren't operating at all anymore.

My example would be the Third Guard who resides in the Sowiio System.

I've been monitoring the place for several months and not once I've noticed any kind of attempt to take over even one asset.

If anyone is able to point me to which Wing this PMF belongs (or belonged) to I'd be grateful. They're sitting in a nice place that we'd be interested to move in someday, but if the PMF is actually just an empty husk it'll be a shame to let that wonderful place go to waste.

Any others around who have noticed something similiar? Please share!

 

[Patau82]

I believe fd said they will remove pmf that have had no activity for 6 months or so?
However i've never seen or heard of a player faction being removed
Not sure how a faction is marked as inactive, guess if no actions are done for the faction over the 6 months but must be pretty rare especially in some of the busy parts of the bubble

 

[Walter2]

There are at least three zombie PMFs in my region - one of which has never shown signs of life since insertion - but as they are all potential competitors I prefer not to revive them by giving them the oxygen of publicity.

 

[Sentenza]

This one for sure:

https://eddb.io/faction/74966

 

[maehara]

as they are all potential competitors I prefer not to revive them by giving them the oxygen of publicity.

^^ This. I have one PMF in the area I'm based that I made the mistake of publicly musing whether they were dormant / deceased, as I hadn't seen any activity in months - they'd been retreated out of several systems in that time. Within a week, they'd magically sprung back into life and were happily screwing over my work. Le sigh.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Sad to hear that maehara. Yet I'd like to know which of our neighbours are alive, because we don't want to waltz into someone's home who is actually still there.

Currently the PMF I mentioned is engaged in a Civil War (as so often before) with a MF that holds an asset. I keep on monitoring to see if there be any sign of creating a homebase or if nothing will be accomplished at all.

I am pretty convinced the latter will be the case. Again.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Only way is to prod them. If they are alive then comms will be established quickly in most cases.

 

[Walter2]

^^ This. I have one PMF in the area I'm based that I made the mistake of publicly musing whether they were dormant / deceased, as I hadn't seen any activity in months - they'd been retreated out of several systems in that time. Within a week, they'd magically sprung back into life and were happily screwing over my work. Le sigh.

Of course, any player can come in and support any faction, NPC or PMF, in the short or long term.

 

[Marcus Machiavelli]

I believe fd said they will remove pmf that have had no activity for 6 months or so?
However i've never seen or heard of a player faction being removed
Not sure how a faction is marked as inactive, guess if no actions are done for the faction over the 6 months but must be pretty rare especially in some of the busy parts of the bubble

Hmmmm, i have problems with this. I have a friend with cancer who also has his own Player faction in game. https://inara.cz/galaxy-minorfaction/39273/ he has not played in 6 months as he is in and out of hospital as they take bits out of his lungs and remove his leg.
I would hate to see him be removed from the game.
I say leave them all in, we try to make contact if we expand into their system, but if they are not being used, or are away exploring, then they are just another minor faction with a fancier name than most. We move in as someone has done into my friends system which is fine. The game lives and breaths like this.
Time bomb maybe if they come back like meahara said but we factor that into our plans.
Anyway those are my thoughts.

 

[Jane Turner]

We have adopted 2 in our bit of space.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

I say leave them all in, we try to make contact if we expand into their system, but if they are not being used, or are away exploring, then they are just another minor faction with a fancier name than most. We move in as someone has done into my friends system which is fine. The game lives and breaths like this.

I agree. The only difference from other factions, is that FD will no longer allow another PF to be inserted into the system.

This may change when squadrons become a thing. But then, this update may bring some of the "owners" of these inactive PFs back.

 

[Jmanis]

Hmmmm, i have problems with this. I have a friend with cancer who also has his own Player faction in game. https://inara.cz/galaxy-minorfaction/39273/ he has not played in 6 months as he is in and out of hospital as they take bits out of his lungs and remove his leg.
I would hate to see him be removed from the game.
I say leave them all in, we try to make contact if we expand into their system, but if they are not being used, or are away exploring, then they are just another minor faction with a fancier name than most. We move in as someone has done into my friends system which is fine. The game lives and breaths like this.
Time bomb maybe if they come back like meahara said but we factor that into our plans.
Anyway those are my thoughts.

I agree.

During my time around the forums I've observed player factions who for genuine reasons, don't want to expand anywhere beyond their "home" system, and don't necessarily want to even have control.

I personally don't think the player base has any grounds for deciding what PMFs are inactive and what ones aren't.

My original "home" location was picked because of it's diverese short-range trade routes, and creating a player faction was a natural extension for my small group of close friends who support the faction. The whole intent behind that was essentially for our faction to either thrive or die as a result of passive player interactions, and tbh, while we certainly drive our faction around, our actions would be indistinguishable from "background noise" these days given the popularity of our region has increased.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

I believe fd said they will remove pmf that have had no activity for 6 months or so?
However i've never seen or heard of a player faction being removed
Not sure how a faction is marked as inactive, guess if no actions are done for the faction over the 6 months but must be pretty rare especially in some of the busy parts of the bubble

I for example unregistered my old Player Group (not a PMF technically) twice since I abandoned it.
However - having zero feedback and no means to verify that the Information got through - I wouldn't be surprised that the Group might still somehow be in the Database.

Just recently (back in the bubble to get me a Chieftain) I noticed another PMF actually stood down after expanding into one of our old Systems, believing it was still controlled by an active Group.
So for them as well, there was no indication whatsoever that this wasn't the case anymore. For a full 9 months or so (!)

IMHO that's an issue, since it seems there's no "keepalive ping" in place to verify if a Player Group or PMF still actively exists or not.
Plus, I take it many who might have abandoned their PMFs didn't even take the time to notify Frontier.

I guess there's quite a few "Database Zombies" by now when it comes to Player Groups and PMFs... All potentially blocking Systems or even an entire Sector of Space for new PMF placements.

 

[William H. Bonney]

what i'd like to see is a link in the system description, which points to the Player Faction's Discord channel (Disclaimer: other social sites available). Alternatively and still through the system description, allow Player Faction "Owners" to e-mail/message each other with a contact form using Frontiers servers to stop spamming/abuse.

 

[Sapyx]

Re: Third Guard: it's an Indie dictatorship in Imperial space; I assume the Empire has "always" been in control of this system. I would surmise, then, that this player faction was established quite some time ago, in the first or second waves of implementation (prior to April 2016 when the "no factions of different/wrong superpowers" rule was put in place). As such, it's also possible that it was one of those early "groups-of-one" that were added with only a single CMDR supporting them, and that CMDR has since stopped playing.

It's also entirely possible that, whoever the founder was, that they are unaware that their faction was added because their interest in the game has shifted away from the BGS (to, for example, exploration).

Finally, I will note that according to the Inara timeline, Third Guard have picked up in recent weeks, up from three to ten percent influence, and there was a similar peak in January. Maybe someone is trying to work that faction, but they're just not very good at it?

 

[Marcus Machiavelli]

Third Guard have picked up in recent weeks, up from three to ten percent influence, and there was a similar peak in January. Maybe someone is trying to work that faction, but they're just not very good at it?

At least twice now my own faction has been adopted by either individuals or groups who want to work a faction but are not interested in "joining"
Maybe they like the name or our story?

 

[Ganjanoof]

I would say : just invade. If there is someone caring for it you will get a contact soon or later.
Then it's about talking to someone. In the mean time not. You're just thinking alone in your head.
Until then, well, you've got the system. The penalty for not showing up is not to be held by the active players.

 

[Marcus Machiavelli]

I would say : just invade. If there is someone caring for it you will get a contact soon or later.
Then it's about talking to someone. In the mean time not. You're just thinking alone in your head.
Until then, well, you've got the system. The penalty for not showing up is not to be held by the active players.

I agree. And a player faction can never be booted out of their home system so they will always have a home.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Interesting, and thanks for all the replies regarding Third Guard.

Simply moving in isn't an option just yet, first there needs to be an opening (7 MF present in an 8.12bil population System). So before starting to try to open it up and later to find the original owners of the PMF still around would be a waste of time.

Our stance here is Live and let live and not to deliberately pick fights with other Wings or individuals unless they decide it would be a good thing to mess with us first.

If someone is within their System and perfectly fine staying there we can accept and work around it. But simply to go in and take over? I wouldn't want that to happen to us, so not doing it to someone else.

 

[ilo]

Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen o7

I'd like to put this as a general thread in which we could place all the names of PMF who seemingly aren't operating at all anymore.

My example would be the Third Guard who resides in the Sowiio System.

I've been monitoring the place for several months and not once I've noticed any kind of attempt to take over even one asset.

If anyone is able to point me to which Wing this PMF belongs (or belonged) to I'd be grateful. They're sitting in a nice place that we'd be interested to move in someday, but if the PMF is actually just an empty husk it'll be a shame to let that wonderful place go to waste.

Any others around who have noticed something similiar? Please share!

mmm.. ok, time to show up then, I'm playing with this faction and other two in sowiio, but I need them not to take over.. things are good as they are