Errrr. Ok so explain why, as a open only guy (except when surface mining, cos its dull and I cannot be bothered with thinking, other than scan, shoot, scan, shoot....) I don't see the rebuy screen everyday (Founders home base) why I can make 20m CR without trying, just easy missions, no shooting, just hauling really. Why would a rebuy hurt? I mean come on, even a cutter, eng'd is only 30m CR. If I put my effort into it, I can do that in a couple of hours, without exploits. Hardship? Nah.
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Errrr. Ok so explain why, as a open only guy (except when surface mining, cos its dull and I cannot be bothered with thinking, other than scan, shoot, scan, shoot....) I don't see the rebuy screen everyday (Founders home base) why I can make 20m CR without trying, just easy missions, no shooting, just hauling really. Why would a rebuy hurt? I mean come on, even a cutter, eng'd is only 30m CR. If I put my effort into it, I can do that in a couple of hours, without exploits. Hardship? Nah.
DCUO tried the mix system with a player flag allowing PvP wherever if you wished, but again they were never able to balance abilities correctly for both modes.
Destiny and Destiny 2 also suffer from the same issue.
Gonna stop you right there. Best explorers I know laugh their butts off at 'Jump range is king.' A little bit of armor and some decent shielding loses you a little bit of jump range. Nothing to write home about unless you're some kind of min/maxing idiot. Besides, best explorer I know Buckyballs to Beagle Point and back on the regular in a Type-10 Defender.
Second, 'big defenses?'
When I went out to Colonia and Sag A* my DBX had lightweight armor with HD modifications and two 3D HD HRPs. Maxed out around... 1000-1200 armor IIRC? When I did the Rum CG in this bad boy I added some additional HRPs for about 1500 armor. Ran all heat sinks and not a single weapon. Guess what? Top 10% with six gank attempts survived (got hit for 22% damage during one attempt, which proves either configuration can survive a gank).
Point is you can build explorers that can survive the hazards of space travel. Solo and Private Groups are fine - but not when they're clearly used to hide your shortcomings as a Commander. So, sod off with your 'explorers are not combat ships' and 'jump range is king' straw men and learn to fly your gorram ship.
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Many in my circle were scared bull manure-less by those monsters, but they are fondly remembered as 'Skynet.' We looked forward to solving them. In fact, one of the most common things I heard after their nerfing was 'Man, now that our ships are properly engineered it'd be really fun to fight those God-like NPCs wouldn't it?'
Hahahahaha! HRPs in a DBX exploring? Guess you only had room for a fuel scoop and the cargo racks, no AFMU or SRV nor ADS or DSS. That is not an explorer. It is a combat trader.
A HD hull mod is standard for explorers to do but it will not get you much in an actual fight. Shields are used for hull protection on landing, not fighting.
Your entire argument is, "put on junk which is only useful in combat and does nothing for your ship the rest of the time it is exploring so that you can perhaps survive an attack in Open on return".
My response, "why bother when I can avoid gankers entirely?"
Want people to play in open, give them a reason. You haven't given anyone a reason, only insults.
My entire argument is you lot of 'credit per hour min maxing what's the best ship for X activity hahaha you use a non meta thing on your ship you noob' need to get rhetorically slapped around at every opportunity for this game to have a clear and bright future.
Hey, aren't you the guy that filed a bug report because his overloaded with packhounds G5 PowerPlant Beluga was overheating too much? Or am I thinking of someone else?
EDIT: Nope! Dang. Was hoping I could finally use that one. Oh well.
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Mindset of the PvP'er.
If you cannot shoot it, insult it.
Though some of us PvE'ers don't help,
Laughing at them only annoys them and makes them try harder.
Keeps the forums moving though, no time to be bored
I explore in a DBX in open and come home to the bubble in open. I see so much as see a player, I hi wake. What is the problem? I go weapon-less, 1 shield booster, 1 heat sink, a buggy hangar, shields 2 grades below max. never, ever been bothered by a player. NPC's are different but players, no.
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Mindset of the PvP'er.
If you cannot shoot it, insult it.
Though some of us PvE'ers don't help,
Laughing at them only annoys them and makes them try harder.
Keeps the forums moving though, no time to be bored
Mindset of a PvEr: making assumptions. Y'all know what those do!
But my dude, I love fighting NPCs in this game. Rollin' combat zones in a wing are one of my favorite activities (you don't get 20,000+ kills and Elite ranking shooting players, after all!).
You fly a shield and a shield booster omg you noooooob
Oh, wait, you survive players because you don't take a chance when you're rolling back into the Bubble. Interesting bit of strategy there, my friend!
I have found a way to make enough in rebuys....legally...fairly quickly....but it still means any loss means I have to work a few hours doing something grindy, rather than playing what I want to.
Add to that, the idea that many folks only have a couple hours a night to play...which means, again, they have to use a play session to fix their purse or a ship.
Losses are painful to those that have little time...or have not found good paying ways to return their purses to pre-death states.
I had to quit the game, for the better part of a year, because of time constraints. When I got back, I had some issues, and found myself on the wrong side of the rebuy equation...not enough to lose a ship...but enough to park everything and start grinding money out in a sidewinder. I could see how someone would throw their hands up and walk away.
Unlike many folks, I play games for fun...not work. There are certainly ways to avoid this legally, within the game...unfortunately, not everyone knows about them...or can find them easily enough.
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If I were that sort of player I wouldn't be building a Corvette for exploring.
Don't own a Beluga so that was not me.
For giggles I threw together something for you: https://eddp.co/u/kYdQg1Kv
Now, please tell me what the point is in a ship like that? It won't survive PvP long, nor can it fight off the larger ships effectively. All adding that crap does is slow the ship down for a moderate increase in survivability, which is completely not needed if the situation is avoided from the start.
I repeat, what is the benefit to playing in Open for a PvE player? Until that is addressed the risks are not worth it.
Err why are you here?
Spot on.. I keep saying it pvp is small minority in this game and if some people didn't do their research properly that not my problem and it downright selfish and nasty to try and then say those that did are the ones being selfish for not wanting FD to pull a bait and switch.
Seriously that would be akin to me going to the Mortal Online and Darkfall forums and causing a ruckus tot ry and get game to cater more to my pve preferences....
Mindset of a PvEr: making assumptions. Y'all know what those do!
But my dude, I love fighting NPCs in this game. Rollin' combat zones in a wing are one of my favorite activities (you don't get 20,000+ kills and Elite ranking shooting players, after all!).
You fly a shield and a shield booster omg you noooooob
Oh, wait, you survive players because you don't take a chance when you're rolling back into the Bubble. Interesting bit of strategy there, my friend!
Mindset of a pvper: IF you don't like what I am saying and agree to play how I want you to then you need to Git Gud and stop being a wimp, be more manly like meeeeee! [cool][up][cool][haha]
Elite: Dangerous has been and continues to be the single greatest gaming experience of my life and I have great hope for its future.
Thanks for building an Asp Explorer for some reason.
Here's the DBX (sans Engineering) I took to Sag A and regularly explore in since we're sharing stuff neither of us gives a crap about. https://eddp.co/u/4HnAw3AX
I'm literally talking about my love of NPC combat and complimenting a guy on his strategic choices.
Um.
Are you guys ok?
As a supporter of Crimson, I like their style, I too have limited time and yes, sometimes I have to concentrate that time on grind, including PP. There is no way anyone should be on the wrong side of a rebuy if they own a medium ship (cough, python, cough) and can do a few missions in the evening in allied territory. I see missions hauling 180 tons paying 4-8m CR. 3 of those an evening (no scoop required) and it clover time. Now a Python hauling 180 tons still has HR, shields near / at 2k, 5 dakka weaps, mil hull upgrade, jumps 21-26ly and does 460+ on boost. Build the ship, then build the credits. Personally, build the ship in solo, along with engineering. Go open when you are comfortable and ..... earned 5 rebuys. Just an ordinary commander passing on far too much duff information that you already know. Fly safe Commander o7.
Thank you for saving me the time to type essentially the same post, mostly regarding World of Warcraft. If Blizzard has given up the ghost, I think that is a message that should be heeded, and strongly.
The existence of actual "World PvP" died a decade ago or more, and any attempt to keep it afloat is just a wasted Dev time sandwich smothered in salt and frustration.
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No. If anything the game should be open only. I do respect and support anyone that wants other modes, I'm a firm believer in allowing players to play the way they want. So as much as PvP / Pve want to see each disappear I prefer the status quo. This game is good.
It's great you want the game to improve, so do I but I feel they should focus more on actual content, atmos landings, space legs etc etc over trying necromancy on the dead horse.
That said if this game truly is, for you, like you say in your quote above then I can safely say what you said here was total hogwash.
As for my mindset of a pvp comment was just going with the common theme of pvpers telling others they are playing wrong and should just git gud rather than get butthurt, figured a little comedic comment would be funny continuation of the chain.
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Amen, brother. Ain't nothin' like it.
I'm sorry your imagination sucks.
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How so?
In one post you state the game isn't worth playing because XYZ then say the exact opposite, maybe you should have a good chat with both your selves and figure which one to run with?
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