PvP The PvE <-> PvP Rift

[Roybe]

You're missing the point. People are intentionally using the modes so they dont have to PVP against other commanders.

This however wouldnt be an issue if it wasnt effecting other commanders.

And no im not wrong. Ship builds make a huge difference here.

Go take a trade cutter meant for solo and private for min maxing cargo or passengers. +++++ Missions. You dont need shields or anything.



Nope. I here to make sure PVP gets its meaning within the BGS and powerplay. Again this comes down to effectively attacking other players. PVP is PVP. Do it all or none at all.

Not a little because its convenient.

Sorry....not going to happen! That boat has sailed...and those devs have left the company!

And shieldless ships still fly in Open....

And people being able to avoid PVP is how this game works! No one will ever be forced into direct PVP....

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

So you have no answer to the question I asked?

If you take the broad definition of PvP the whole game is PvP there is no content that isnt at least in some way PvP so problem solved its already working the way you state. No need to remove anything.

Congrats you just solved the whole problem everything the same as before.

Congrats on what? I didnt see a question in your statement.

 

[Lestenio]

You're missing the point. People are intentionally using the modes so they dont have to PVP against other commanders.

Most players are just playing the game rather than intentionally doing anything. It has nothing to do with avoiding PvP.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Sorry....not going to happen! That boat has sailed...and those devs have left the company!

And shieldless ships still fly in Open....

I bet it does happen.

They do fly shieldless and complain when they die when they get "griefed".

This is about giving PVP meaning. And to say it wont happen is absurd.

They are adding PMFS and Squadrons as we speak. All connected to the BGS.

Trust me they wont make the same mistake with them they made with powerplay. I have a feeling they are just as upset about this situation as I am. They just havnt said anything about it.

Most players are just playing the game rather than intentionally doing anything. It has nothing to do with avoiding PvP.

Those players in this case wouldnt be effected. There is plenty of space out there to mess around besides a player groups faction.

Sorry....not going to happen! That boat has sailed...and those devs have left the company!

And shieldless ships still fly in Open....

And people being able to avoid PVP is how this game works! No one will ever be forced into direct PVP....

TO your last bit. I know that. THats why we are asking for change.

Do all of the PVP or none of it.

 

[Lestenio]

Those players in this case wouldnt be effected. There is plenty of space out there to mess around besides a player groups faction.

But they will be affected when you talk about removing paid content and restricting it. That's never going to be a popular choice.
Besides, there is no way to align with a player faction anyway, and since you can't see what missions a player is carrying, you are not doing your faction any favours shooting visitors.

In other words, I could take severally dozen missions for your factions and let you PvP the hell out of me for a few days. You'd be doing your faction more damage, so any restriction you are suggesting does not aid PvP.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

But they will be affected when you talk about removing paid content and restricting it. That's never going to be a popular choice.
Besides, there is no way to align with a player faction anyway, and since you can't see what missions a player is carrying, you are not doing your faction any favours shooting visitors.

In other words, I could take severally dozen missions for your factions and let you PvP the hell out of me for a few days. You'd be doing your faction more damage, so any restriction you are suggesting does not aid PvP.

You'll also lose rep with your faction, rebuy, and time. 10 kills means nothing compared to the bounty hunting that would be done.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Me, Me, Me or Mine Mine Mine. "To heck with you all this is the only way it can be" mindset is viewed as a character flaw.

I don't like your particular view on how Elite should be. I currently do not see a way forward. That's such a problem, huh?

 

[Roybe]

I bet it does happen.

They do fly shieldless and complain when they die when they get "griefed".

This is about giving PVP meaning. And to say it wont happen is absurd.

They are adding PMFS and Squadrons as we speak. All connected to the BGS.

Trust me they wont make the same mistake with them they made with powerplay. I have a feeling they are just as upset about this situation as I am. They just havnt said anything about it.



Those players in this case wouldnt be effected. There is plenty of space out there to mess around besides a player groups faction.



TO your last bit. I know that. THats why we are asking for change.

Do all of the PVP or none of it.

Got proof? That it's all connected to the BGS?


...and I'll put my faith in the devs keeping their game the way they designed it. Just not going to change the way you want it to....it can't...for numerous reasons that won't be repeated because you will continue to ignore them...much to your disappointment!

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

You'll also lose rep with your faction, rebuy, and time. 10 kills means nothing compared to the bounty hunting that would be done.

Never mind morale and prestige. It sucks when you get your butt beat - just ask those UA-bombing-from-solo types.

To think that doesn't somehow play into conflict in Elite is to be naive and/or ignorant in the extreme.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Got proof? That it's all connected to the BGS?

As you know the Privateers Alliance is connected to our system. We own the faction. We are connected to the BGS right now. Its something we fight for on a daily basis vs multiple player groups every week.

 

[Roybe]

As you know the Privateers Alliance is connected to our system. We own the faction. We are connected to the BGS right now. Its something we fight for on a daily basis vs multiple player groups every week.

So is CSG...but you got proof for the fleet carrier? Do they have a mission board? Does the mission board give PVP missions?


And one other point in your broken logic:

'They do fly shieldless and complain when they die when they get "griefed".'

Do you actually believe the devs listen to these people's complaints?

Regardless of your answer, nothing will change! If they don't listen to them, the situation is not going to change....and if they do, the situation is not going to change!

You keep tilting away at this....but, in short....PVP is a sideshow...and always will be!

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

So is CSG...but you got proof for the fleet carrier? Do they have a mission board? Does the mission board give PVP missions?


And one other point in your broken logic:

'They do fly shieldless and complain when they die when they get "griefed".'

Do you actually believe the devs listen to these people's complaints?

Regardless of your answer, nothing will change! If they don't listen to them, the situation is not going to change....and if they do, the situation is not going to change!

You keep tilting away at this....but, in short....PVP is a sideshow...and always will be!

Yeah thats not gonna happen. Ed admitted on stream they are giving it meaning and they heard the feedback about it.

you guys wish it will stay a side show.

Thats not gonna happen.

We do have a bounty board. It would be nice to be able to claim them.

 

[Roybe]

Yeah thats not gonna happen. Ed admitted on stream they are giving it meaning and they heard the feedback about it.

you guys wish it will stay a side show.

Thats not gonna happen.

We do have a bounty board. It would be nice to be able to claim them.

Which stream?


You keep blaming my wishes....it's not my wishes...it's the devs decisions...and there has been no public discussion on making PVP something other than what it is.


LOL! Really, the bounty board. So you go and find a person, kill them, recover their single bounty....how many NPC's could you have killed for your faction....and helped them out more? THAT'S another reason why PVP will never amount to anything! PVE trophy collection is the only way to move your faction!

 

[Sylveria]

Keep on your crusade to remove things from other people its fun to watch.

You are very entertaining.

Like a train wreck, perhaps.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Well since the whole game, modes and all, is multi-player with everyone affecting the BGS (as was sold) everyone is engaged in "all of it".

But lets for a second think about it, if FDev were going to remove BGS/PP from any mode, knowing that it would cost them players whom do you think it would make more sense to force out of your game. The smallest portion (according to them) which would be the PvPers or the majority who would be PvEers.

The most logical option would be to remove PP/BGS from open not PG and Solo. But I for one dont hope that happens.

Keep on your crusade to remove things from other people its fun to watch.

You are very entertaining.

Not only am I entertaining. Im also right. And good lookin.

 

[Sylveria]

Not only am I entertaining. Im also right. And good lookin.

And definitely a narcissist.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

And definitely a narcissist.

Yep, hey when you're the best player in the game. And can back it up.

Im going to make sure you guys know about it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Well one out of three is a failing grade so ...

Glad you're not the grader

Cause I get perfect scores from people that actually understand whats happening.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Well seeing as how most of the people who have responded to you throughout all of your multitude of threads disagree...

Of course you are welcome to keep thinking you have the proof when all you have is anecdotal evidence to back you up and nothing that is not subjective.

It must be nice living in your delusion.

The same 10 people that literally have no experience in the subjects?

Thats one of the many problems people dont understand.

You guys fight for something most of you dont even take part of. Thats the greatest thing ive ever seen.

 

[Roybe]

Not only am I entertaining. Im also right. And good lookin.

I've watched your stream....I see you are 0 and 2 on the subjective opinions...which does not bode well for your predictive one!