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Powderpanic

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Powderpanic
rootsrat said:
But griefing, ganking etc. is very much PVP. Every time I tried to argue that attacking an unarmed ship is not PVP, every single PVP player I discussed the given topic with was trying to convince me that it is still PVP. So isn't it a bit hypocritical to have double standards and perceive ganking as PVP in the gameplay context, but not-PVP in forums context? :p



I think you found partial root cause of the problem.



Moderators are not a "PVE" clique. I for one don't care for PVE or PVP. I just play the game and couldn't care less whether someone puts themselves in a drawer labelled "PVE" or "PVP". Same thing with the forums. I come here to discuss the game and I regardless of who I am talking to, I always just express my opinion. So it happens that most of the times it at a difference with players that enjoy PVP.

Also, maybe if everyone stopped labelling other people, which is a disgusting feat, things would get better?
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It is all very well to say there is no clique but that simply is not the case.
Please dont get me wrong. I have posted ZINGERS, which I knew would get almost definetly moderated.
I have posted the same stuff in here and with exactly the same fair and beauty with which I am loved for. VERY different experience.

If there was no PVE clique, then Brett would not have banned them for moderating in this sub.

Otherwise, why would your forum boss ban people who are fair, impartial moderators with a non-biased history?

Its one or the other

Also.. Griefing is a very releative term.. I have never ever been griefed! Not once!
I have died plenty, to many many people. To which I used them as a learning tool to improve and grow.
You have players who scream "griefer" the moment their T9 filled with gold is interdicted by The Code in an anarchy system.
This is why actually PVP players defend griefing and ganking.
I even maginally included starter system ganking, as an approved ingame route of deliverying emergent content.
What did the noobie loose? A few sidewinder and a tiny amount of credits.
A smart noob, would just change systems.

You have noobie ganking to thank for AA, The Ervate Overlord and all the other fun things that have happened there.
Those sort of fun emergent things used to happen around Lave but then FDEV ruined that with powerplay and making the rare routes worthless.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
 
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ethelred

ethelred
This happens so much:-

Player A writes thread on forum about losing a ship in Open to a "ganker"

Then we find that either the build is poor, they made basic mistakes, they were pledged to another power or some other thing

Advice is given on how to improve whilst remaining in open.

Then the thread is quickly derailed by name calling including but not limited to carebears, forum dad, cowardly solo or PG players, psychos with real life "daddy" or "mummy" issues.

This gets real tedious very quickly.

All we are asking for is that any comments, from anyone that start the name calling insults are moderated out and the threads are locked, or merged into California.
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
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I see the PvP Special Victims Unit is arguing for taking responsibility for your actions again.

Except when it concerns posting on the forum. "Yeah, I know we post a little more spicey, but we're PvP special snowflakes. The moderators should be PvPers because us special snowflakes should be allowed more leeway when posting than those nasty widdle PvEers".
 
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Frenotx

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Powderpanic said:
It is all very well to say there is no clique but that simply is not the case.
Please dont get me wrong. I have posted ZINGERS, which I knew would get almost definetly moderated.
I have posted the same stuff in here and with exactly the same fair and beauty with which I am loved for. VERY different experience.

If there was no PVE clique, then Brett would not have banned them for moderating in this sub.

Otherwise, why would your forum boss ban people who are fair, impartial moderators with a non-biased history?

Its one or the other

Also.. Griefing is a very releative term.. I have never ever been griefed! Not once!
I have died plenty, to many many people. To which I used them as a learning tool to improve and grow.
You have players who scream "griefer" the moment their T9 filled with gold is interdicted by The Code in an anarchy system.
This is why actually PVP players defend griefing and ganking.
I even maginally included starter system ganking, as an approved ingame route of deliverying emergent content.
What did the noobie loose? A few sidewinder and a tiny amount of credits.
A smart noob, would just change systems.

You have noobie ganking to thank for AA, The Ervate Overlord and all the other fun things that have happened there.
Those sort of fun emergent things used to happen around Lave but then FDEV ruined that with powerplay and making the rare routes worthless.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
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Who got banned for moderating in the PvP forum?
 

rootsrat

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rootsrat
Powderpanic said:
It is all very well to say there is no clique but that simply is not the case.
Please dont get me wrong. I have posted ZINGERS, which I knew would get almost definetly moderated.
I have posted the same stuff in here and with exactly the same fair and beauty with which I am loved for. VERY different experience.

If there was no PVE clique, then Brett would not have banned them for moderating in this sub.

Otherwise, why would your forum boss ban people who are fair, impartial moderators with a non-biased history?

Its one or the other

Also.. Griefing is a very releative term.. I have never ever been griefed! Not once!
I have died plenty, to many many people. To which I used them as a learning tool to improve and grow.
You have players who scream "griefer" the moment their T9 filled with gold is interdicted by The Code in an anarchy system.
This is why actually PVP players defend griefing and ganking.
I even maginally included starter system ganking, as an approved ingame route of deliverying emergent content.
What did the noobie loose? A few sidewinder and a tiny amount of credits.
A smart noob, would just change systems.

You have noobie ganking to thank for AA, The Ervate Overlord and all the other fun things that have happened there.
Those sort of fun emergent things used to happen around Lave but then FDEV ruined that with powerplay and making the rare routes worthless.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
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I never said anything about griefing, just ganking. And what you say is mostly true, I also don't like people crying they got ganked for no reason (even if I don't approve ganking - or griefing for that matter - itself).

That doesn't change the fact that it's a bit hypocritical to consider ganking PVP when its gameplay, but request to have it removed from PVP forums a not-PVP related thread.
 

Powderpanic

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Powderpanic
rootsrat said:
I never said anything about griefing, just ganking. And what you say is mostly true, I also don't like people crying they got ganked for no reason (even if I don't approve ganking - or griefing for that matter - itself).

That doesn't change the fact that it's a bit hypocritical to consider ganking PVP when its gameplay, but request to have it removed from PVP forums a not-PVP related thread.
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I dont think anyone wants it removed, just controlled :p

I would be happy to dunk on butt hurt noobs all day, who after crying and being offered advice, continued to cry.

Being a 12-year-old living at home, psychopathic, sad degenerate or to use the shortened term PVP'er. This is wonderful forum PVP.

I think people just want a place for PVP talk and a then a separate place to rip on noobs. Reddit is fun and all but this place REALLY brings in the salt.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
 

rootsrat

Volunteer Moderator
rootsrat
ethelred said:
It's just good moderation to reduce the ridiculous name calling, surely?

The name calling is from both sides - I don't think anyone is disputing that.
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We (mods) can't read every single post on the forums. If an offending post is not reported and a moderator doesn't come across it, there isn't much we can do about it.

Also, I can assure you we deal with all the reports in the best and most objective manner as we can. At least I do.

It's not easy to find a good moderator. It's also not easy to remain unbiased when you're moderating forums for a game you're extremely passionate about. We all make mistakes, we're no saints either, but to my knowledge we do our best to do our job properly. It's not an easy task either, you don't want to know the amount and contents of some nasty PM's we receive sometimes.

I am not making excuses, just trying to show that there is more to it than (as some claim here) "moderators are PVE clique". (Which I honestly think is not the case at all BTW).

So what I can suggest to make things better:

1) Wheaton's Law, first and foremost (don't give us reasons to moderate your post - want to change the world, start with yourself)
2) Report offending posts, rather than replying to then in an aggressive/troll/flaming manner (the latter only escalates the situation)
3) Contact Brett C. with an appeal if you think your post was moderated unfairly, instead of publicly flaming moderators on the forums (your thread will be closed immediately and you may receive an advisory, as it's against the forum rules).
 
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Sir.Tj

The Moderator who shall not be Blamed....
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Sir.Tj
Powderpanic said:
I think pretty much everyone but Root and Jenner

Powerpanic
The Voice of Griefing
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No Mods are banned from modding the PvP section, we have tiers of moderators i.e. Global, International, Platform etc which precludes some from modding certain areas of the forum but they're not banned.

As Rootsy stated there is no bias on play styles I try to treat each post & poster as fairly as I can and how they play the game does not come into it.

I really couldn't give a flying monkeys how someone plays the game as long as they stick to the forum rules.

But we do seem to keep coming back to these subject on a regular basis for some reason.
 

rootsrat

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rootsrat
Sir.Tj said:
No Mods are banned from modding the PvP section, we have tiers of moderators i.e. Global, International, Platform etc which precludes some from modding certain areas of the forum but they're not banned.

As Rootsy stated there is no bias on play styles I try to treat each post & poster as fairly as I can and how they play the game does not come into it.

I really couldn't give a flying monkeys how someone plays the game as long as they stick to the forum rules.

But we do seem to keep coming back to these subject on a regular basis for some reason.
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I think the reason was partially identified in post #61 (See my post #80) :p

Now if anyone from the so called "PVE clique" wants to admit that the "PVE clique" also breaks Wheaton's Law on regular basis we're home.

Not that it will change anything, the salt runs too deep on both sides of the argument :)

Unfortunately we (mods) are caught in the middle :p
 

WorldsGreatestForumDad

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WorldsGreatestForumDad
rootsrat said:
I think the reason was partially identified in post #61 (See my post #80) :p

Now if anyone from the so called "PVE clique" wants to admit that the "PVE clique" also breaks Wheaton's Law on regular basis we're home.

Not that it will change anything, the salt runs too deep on both sides of the argument :)

Unfortunately we (mods) are caught in the middle :p
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Mods are caught in the middle because they put themselves there and controlled the way the conversation went. Even to go as far as editing posts because they agreed with one side. Allowed me to get an infraction. And saved the other guy from doing exactly what you said above. The "PVEers" are the ones coming to the forums. Whining and crying in the first place. Saying very bad things and the PVPer has to take it. If they stand up for themselves. Depending on how bias the mod is towards the situation. They get in trouble. Not the other guy.

The guy coming here gets to call the PVPer every name in the book.(Even if that "PVEer" has intent of wrecking another player faction using PVE.(LOL!)

Anyways man, there have been numerous posts, editing and social engineering here.

The same people that try to get PVP actively removed from the game also fight with me every single day about risk and reward. I made sure I have been here EVERY SINGLE DAY. If this is where Frontier gets their feedback, and they established risk per mode back in 2016. But have never done anything about it. Im going to be there everytime their "kliq" shows up about it. Its the whole damn reason were having this conversation to begin with to be honest.

In 2016 Sandro acknowledged risk and reward. And a few weeks later after listening to the lovely people that fought against it. We now, have nothing more than everything is a grief. And since PVP means Jack Squat in terms of being effective.

Because we're the ones pulling the trigger. Our "Morals" are at stake as a human being instead of playing a god damned video game.

And then to top it all off. Those same people that begged for it not to change when Sandro said he was thinking about it. Have the Audacity to even put more fuel on the fire by attacking the guy that was a PVPer in the situation, by calling them names.

God forbid if they ask for anything to get changed in the game to finally acknowledge that risk and reward.

Anyways the whole damn thing is a mess. And it comes down to the way the game was made.

The game generates toxicity. Not the players in this case.

Fix this crap, where my "morals as a human being" are no longer being judged.

And maybe. Just maybe, the flame wars will stop, the PVE vs PVP thing will end. Toxicity will fall. And PVPers will fight each other instead of coming here and getting crapped on by the do gooder "pveers" with morals of their own. In which the have no regard for because they get to point a finger.

They get to point the finger, because they have been led by example.
 
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