Sure man, whatever you want. You keep blaming people who bought ED from noble FD, in between your hundreds of posts about how evil CR is fooling poor Star Citizen consumers. [haha]
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Doing the same mistakes for 25 years?
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Sure man, whatever you want. You keep blaming people who bought ED from noble FD, in between your hundreds of posts about how evil CR is fooling poor Star Citizen consumers. [haha]
Nope I keep telling people who buy the games they imagine exist to get real and do a spot of reading first.
As for SC I didn't buy into it because it failed my pre-purchase research so badly I think people need to be warned off, and I think Dr Derek Smart is right about it (and the last four years have proven that he is right).
It's also looking to have killed off the space sim genre for a second time and possibly crowdfunding into the bargain. For any fan of the wider genre like me a waste of 180 million that could have gone on successful remakes of I-WAR X-wing Freespace (and on) is terrible.
verminstar
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If yer research only went upto the kickstarter in ED and ye went and bought the game as it stands now, what would yer reaction be then I wonder ^
If you buy into a kickstarter you take your chances, if you don't want to take your chances then you should not do that and wait and see what happens instead.
The game will still be around later and available for purchase then, if it's successful.
People are confusing promises for targets, they are completely different things.
I played FE2 when it came out. I remember counting down the days till launch when I could finally get to fly out into the galaxy and I loved FE2 but I was a lot younger then and FE2 was cutting edge gaming, really.
ED's issue is it is almost exactly the same game and that doesn't work with today's gaming. Whilst FE2 did have issues or repition, there was a system you could go to (near Leesti iirc) where platinum sold for wayyyyyyyyyy above the market average which made it a lot more fun though saying all that - the gameplay maybe lasted a year before everything had been done to death (and that's fine).
ED's issue is it is almost exactly the same game and that doesn't work with today's gaming. Whilst FE2 did have issues or repition, there was a system you could go to (near Leesti iirc) where platinum sold for wayyyyyyyyyy above the market average which made it a lot more fun though saying all that - the gameplay maybe lasted a year before everything had been done to death (and that's fine).
ED's main appeal (for some) is that it's an updated remake with some extra bells and whistles, based on what FDEV said pre launch that's what I was expecting (and got).
verminstar
Banned
That wasnt really the question I asked ye though, but however. What ye describe is exactly what I did...I remember the ED ks from friends of mine who migrated from the game I was playing at the time, but on doing some homework, there just wasnt a solid ground fer me to trust them, and I didnt wash up on these shores until about 6 months before horizons landed. To this day, I still dont trust them...I wont expand on why not but I have my own reasons and take everything they say with a hefty pinch of salt.
I came here specifically to explore...that was my primary reason fer coming here and up until the sales pitch of horizons, the game simply didnt sell itself to me. Times have changed obviously and now I stopped exploring and have adopted combat and being naughty...notoriety being stuck on 10 since the weekend with no signs of coming down anytime soon sorta deal...and in open only which is another very profound change to spending two years in solo.
Point...I didnt come here to do combat at all...in fact its one the primary reasons why I bought the game in the first place, because the option was there to ignore combat entirely. So the way Im playing now means this literally isnt the game I originally bought.
So where does that leave my opinions on anything combat related? Anyone could use the logic to argue with any point I make or try to make that perhaps this wasnt the game fer me when I bought it because its what I came here to avoid.
Maybe I should just sit here and shut the hole below my nose and be happy with whatever because of why I bought the game?
Haha...ye really think thats gonna happen? Yer exceedingly naive if ye do ^
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Its irrelevant semantics, since there is key promise to actually deliver targets. Otherwise targets are meaningless.
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I'm the other way around, I like the combat but have developed a liking for other things.
As for you shutting up why would I want that ?, I give you lots of rep because I frequently agree with you and think your posts are funny (when you are trying to be funny not in a mean way). However start moaning you don't like the pistachio ice-cream you just bought knowing you dislike pistachio ice-cream or expecting it to be lemon and I'll skip the rep and tell you to read the packaging in future.
Just doing the one side?
Personally, I've been tempted to try and talk through the original post in a constructive manner, but as the thread has progressed all the signs have consistently pointed to that being an utterly futile endeavour. They still do.
When you say you came here specifically to explore, what had you envisaged? (Not a loaded question by the way, I'm just interested.)
verminstar
Banned
It was supposed to be a rhetorical question, no need to get yer knickers in a twist over it. If I genuinely wasn’t happy, I wouldn’t be here at all...only a moron would put up with a game they hated.
I didn’t even follow the ks at the time it was happening, the sales pitch simply didn’t work and because this is my first frontier game, they were unproven and an unknown quantity to me. To many others here, that’s not the case fer them...but I’m not everyone else.
Rep or don’t rep...wouldn’t bother me if the rep system was removed entirely truth be told...it’s why ye don’t see yellow and green squares beside my sig...the elite tag I can’t do anything about but likewise couldn’t care less about it. It’s not a popularity contest ^
That's a bit of a black and white synopsis. What about grey areas? - put simply if someone fails to deliver a promise then recompense is due (refunds etc..) If some fails to hit a goal or target then that's the risk you the customer takes, there are levels of course.
verminstar
Banned
I’ve been playing the space game genre fer a very long time...yet never once a frontier game. PvP only...that’s literally what I lived fer and all I wanted. Got too involved in the last game I played and got my fingers badly burned when it backfired after a huge investment of time on my part doing beta testing till 5 in the morning sorta stuff.
I even switched teams to try and help balance the factions as the faction I belonged to massively outnumbered and outgunned the other faction. Team switching in that game was a limited time event and only if ye qualify...fer 5 years, I was locked into the faction I chose from sign up.
I literally turned my back on all my game friends and gave up a mountain of personal time beta testing all to help improve the pvp. Got it all thrown back into my face...totally wasted effort and I came here burnt out from the effort and the disappointment.
No other game allowed me to explore the Milky Way...this will be the closest I get to it in what time I have left. I’m not a care bear type player by nature...by nature I’m usually yer worst nightmare in a pvp game.
Careful what ye wish fer and be thankful I did come here to explore. Being hated is what I do best on games...I came here to try something new and found I actually enjoyed it...rest is history but old habits die hard and I’ve drifted into combat almost full time nowadays.
That answer the curiosity?
It's not a mistake to make something some people like. If your business model is supported by the people that like it, then you've won.
If target is not delivered, then promise is broken. That's pretty clear.
What happens if promise is broken - then its a potential grey area and up to court to decide if customer insistent.
In this case it didn't go this far - FDev themselves acknowledged and apologised they broken some targets/promises of Kickstarter's - therefore anybody who requested refunds, got them.
Actually its the same in case of Star Citizen. They (quietly) acknowledged that promised targets are not met - since you entitled to refund. And as far as I know everyone who firmly requested one, got one.
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That was a moral/commercial decision by FDev, they didn't have too. You have mixed up your analogies. Promises are certainties, Targets are not. You cannot promise to deliver a target. That's a bit whitey black don't ya think?
This was a commercial decision because if they would've refused, any small claims court would side with customer (EU customer protection laws are like that...) - and they would be forced to pay up anyway + get more negative press as bonus.
Paying up simply for no reason would not be a "commercial" decision. They had a reason to do it.
Of course we wouldn't know for 100% certainty since they didn't take it this far - hence I will stop arguing about it since its pointless.
What nonsense in that?
Are you working in that kind of field which does not have proper delivery contracts? Try telling your client that "you can't promise to deliver a target", this surely would work splendid
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