Modes If Open is to get something exclusive then PG and Solo also need something

Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.

Perseus

Perseus
Mouse said:
A promise made should be a promise kept, if being a 5 year old means you ask someone to keep the promise they guaranteed then I'm a bloody 5 year old.




Fully agree with you, 1000 units of Cubeo Razorback Bacon
Click to expand...

Which promise? I'm not saying there wasn't one but I can't remember a promise. If you have a link, I'd be grateful.
 

lenna

lenna
Han_Zen said:
From a pragmatic point of view, it’s better to take PP than to make a new PvP centric feature.
Dev hours are limited. An adjustment to PP takes far less time than a complete new feature.

This will leave time to make new stuff that benefits all players. New features will come and non of them will have to be PvP centric. PvP got PP. ;)
Click to expand...
The part that is being objected to in reality is three fold really:-
  1. Currently, all modes have access to PP regardless of what anyone thinks of the current PP mechanics (positive or negative).
  2. PP has exclusive kit locked behind it that probably should never have been in the first place.
  3. The effect of PP on the universe currently affects everyone regardless of their chosen mode of play.
WRT PP having PvP mechanics added to it that have Open restricted PP related rewards then I think there could be little complaint... BUT...

IF FD directly address points 2 and 3 then point 1 becomes a lesser concern. IMO FD still should address point 1 with some kind of PvE alternative to PP (c/f via Squadron mechanics and improvements to the BGS perhaps) but addressing points 2 and 3 should eliminate the most obvious objections.
 

Mouse

Mouse
OOF Waffe PR said:
I dont see any issues for solo/pg to get something unique. As long as they don't affect the main servers they deffenitely should have npc wings, maybe some OP weapons that in open would cause an unbalance. Come up with more examples.

Solo shouldn't get mixed up with multiplayer functionality and vice versa.
Click to expand...


Excuse me but what "main servers" you seem to be struggling with the assumption that Solo and PG are somehow lesser "servers" then Open. That isn't true and even if PP goes through they will still affect the BGS just like Open does.. This is why Sandro's proposals are dangerous, gives you a hint of an inch and you want the whole game. Plus if it goes through a promise made is broken. What keeps other promises made from being broken at that point?
 

UmbraRex

UmbraRex
Sylveria said:
Too late, they've already chummed the water.

The only thing that's going to stop the tide at this point is a non-ambiguous and completely serious stance statement from FD directly. Sandro's post regarding how the PP changes won't lead to anything else changing isn't going to cut it, because now those advocates believe it's eventual now that they've gone back on their "all modes equal" stance.

When you change your story- you're demonstrating your willingness to do so not only now, but in the future.

I'm glad you have "faith", because I certainly don't.
Click to expand...

Here, have bacon.

(since I can't +rep you again yet)
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Agony_Aunt said:
Thereby showing your desire for this has nothing to do with PP in itself, just a desire to blow people up.

Thank you for your honesty!
Click to expand...

Try again.

You just admitted to the entire forum you’d join a PowerPlay group with the sole interest of undermining morale.

Why shouldn’t saboteurs like you be shot on sight?
 

Mouse

Mouse
OOF Waffe PR said:
If you cant realize that solo is easier than open, which is a fact when we dont rig routers or spam the block button and hang out in a system of interest which is a CG or a PP conflict, than there is nothing left to say since you completely lie and twist a fact to proove an un arguable point.
Click to expand...


it is NOT a fact, it is your opinion. Just because you may feel it is a breeze does not mean that others who play the game feel the same way or have the same experience.
 

Mouse

Mouse
rlsg said:
After a fashion it is, however small the relative contribution is, but I think the precise terminology (and whether it is accurately applied) is moot.

At the end of the day, the product ED has been sold with a wide audience in mind and the proposed change to add an Open gameplay constraint to certain mechanics goes against the principles that FD have advertised for ED as a product to date. The end effect is that FD have created a legally grey problem for themselves - if they change PP to Open exclusive then they will have to consider the effect on those who have no desire to engage in Open regardless of their reasons.

As I stated earlier in this thread, they could make it so effectively there are two or more PP layers - one (or more) that is Open only (and potentially restricted by platform) and a separate layer that is restricted to PG/Solo. This would though fly in the face of the single shared universe state principle, but limiting PP to Open would have that affect too.
Click to expand...


agree with this and so many other things you've said, but I can't rep you again so hope you have a large hold for a 10,000 units of Cubeo Razorback Bacon
 

lenna

lenna
Mouse said:
agree with this and so many other things you've said, but I can't rep you again so hope you have a large hold for a 10,000 units of Cubeo Razorback Bacon
Click to expand...
Currently, my Cutter fleet is in the garage under going refit so you can keep the bacon. ;)
 

CMDR M. Lehman

CMDR M. Lehman
Mouse said:
it is NOT a fact, it is your opinion. Just because you may feel it is a breeze does not mean that others who play the game feel the same way or have the same experience.
Click to expand...


Though it's your knee-jerk habit to disagree with anything that a pro-open player has to say, the fact that you avoid open because of the difficulties that it presents seems to indicate that you agree with him- whether or not you realize it.
 
Last edited:

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
CMDR M. Lehman said:
Though it's your knee-jerk habit to disagree with anything that a pro-open player has to say, the fact that you avoid open because of the difficulties that it presents seem to indicate that you agree with him- whether or not you realize it.
Click to expand...

It’s ok to be bad at the game, too. Really, it is.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
rlsg said:
The part that is being objected to in reality is three fold really:-
  1. Currently, all modes have access to PP regardless of what anyone thinks of the current PP mechanics (positive or negative).
  2. PP has exclusive kit locked behind it that probably should never have been in the first place.
  3. The effect of PP on the universe currently affects everyone regardless of their chosen mode of play.
WRT PP having PvP mechanics added to it that have Open restricted PP related rewards then I think there could be little complaint... BUT...

IF FD directly address points 2 and 3 then point 1 becomes a lesser concern. IMO FD still should address point 1 with some kind of PvE alternative to PP (c/f via Squadron mechanics and improvements to the BGS perhaps) but addressing points 2 and 3 should eliminate the most obvious objections.
Click to expand...

All thee points would potentially be equally relevant for any PvP centric ‘new feature’.
The difference is the cost.

Point 2 is easily fixed and point 3 is ignorable.
 

Perseus

Perseus

lenna

lenna
Han_Zen said:
All thee points would potentially be equally relevant for any PvP centric ‘new feature’.
The difference is the cost.

Point 2 is easily fixed and point 3 is ignorable.
Click to expand...
WRT point 3, not really if PP has the current end effect on the universe.

Point 1 would not be relevant wrt a "new feature" since we would not be talking about taking away something non-Open players already have access to.

Cost difference is likely to be negligible.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Since this thread was the source of the post elsewhere...

Are we cool with members of the All Modes Are Equal Crowd straight up lying elsewhere?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/359320/discussions/0/2561864094360189257/?ctp=13

I told Agony I would shoot him for joining a power just to undermine morale. Then he leaves that out making it sound like I was doing it for no reason. Interesting!

If I’m missing something I’m expecting an explanation.
 
Last edited:
Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom