It's only toxic from some Open players point of view. No Solo or PG players have any problems with it. Do you consider the opinions of Solo or PG players to be lesser than Open players?
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It's only toxic from some Open players point of view. No Solo or PG players have any problems with it. Do you consider the opinions of Solo or PG players to be lesser than Open players?
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They have no problems with the modes because they have the advantage with engaging a war without resistance.
After a fashion it is, however small the relative contribution is, but I think the precise terminology (and whether it is accurately applied) is moot.
At the end of the day, the product ED has been sold with a wide audience in mind and the proposed change to add an Open gameplay constraint to certain mechanics goes against the principles that FD have advertised for ED as a product to date. The end effect is that FD have created a legally grey problem for themselves - if they change PP to Open exclusive then they will have to consider the effect on those who have no desire to engage in Open regardless of their reasons.
As I stated earlier in this thread, they could make it so effectively there are two or more PP layers - one (or more) that is Open only (and potentially restricted by platform) and a separate layer that is restricted to PG/Solo. This would though fly in the face of the single shared universe state principle, but limiting PP to Open would have that affect too.
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Elite indeed has the option of multiplay- but it is by no means a "multiplayer-only" game.
Which, in the example you gave for Carriers/Squadrons actually supports such arguments contrary to your sarcastic comment. So far offering MP features without giving anything to Solo players has indeed caused imbalance- because not everyone bought this game to be played with others- in fact it was advertised thus. This also isn't the first time it's been argued, either- and being a moderator I'd assume you would know this has been brought up many times before. (or apparently, one hand isn't speaking to the other)
Don't worry they're going to continue to blame PG/Solo and the PvE community for their disappointment when PP doesn't all of a sudden magically bring boatloads of players to Open and keep them there.
This is only the beginning.
Yep...
eg: Sign up to a CG and at a press of a "Solo" button you're magically invisible/immune to all PvP piracy...
Frankly, it should be only Open....
The galaxy is a HUGE place and 95% of the time, CMDRs are never seen. In the 5% where u come across a CMDR, its a friendly "o7" and that's it. Sure, there is that .0001% griefer out there, but its so rare to be almost a none issue. Of course if you are hanging around CGs, or popular systems the risk increases, but overall there to its simply being prepared.
Perhaps FD should open up additional pockets of human populated space similar to Colonia where CMDRs can migrate. Have engineering pools there as well as other elements to keep things "spread out."
Indeed, there is the wildcard of simply being about to access Open, such as on consoles... but that seems to be the key limiting factor to simply dropping the other game modes.
The galaxy is a HUGE place and 95% of the time, CMDRs are never seen. In the 5% where u come across a CMDR, its a friendly "o7" and that's it. Sure, there is that .0001% griefer out there, but its so rare to be almost a none issue. Of course if you are hanging around CGs, or popular systems the risk increases, but overall there to its simply being prepared.
Perhaps FD should open up additional pockets of human populated space similar to Colonia where CMDRs can migrate. Have engineering pools there as well as other elements to keep things "spread out."
Indeed, there is the wildcard of simply being about to access Open, such as on consoles... but that seems to be the key limiting factor to simply dropping the other game modes.
Only if those opinions are trash!
It seems to me that Elite players are split pretty equally between those who see the galaxy as a battlefield, and those who see the galaxy as something to be explored and enjoyed...... the galaxy has 400 billion star systems, surely there is a way for all to exist and enjoy the game together without so much vitriol.
So, here is a SUGGESTION ( which i`m sure will be controversial )
As the pvp crowd will be getting wing missions / squadrons / carriers and now it seems powerplay to enhance their gameplay, is it unreasonable to suggest that the solo / pg players also get a little something to enhance their gameplay as well ?
How about the Panther Clipper?........ it could be restricted to solo / pg play only....after all a bulk trading ship is hardly of use in pvp activities, but it would allow those who enjoy some peaceful trading and mining to do so, with powerplay no longer a function in solo or pg`s, the bulk trading would not affect anything except the amount of credits in the bank
I should state here that i have no interest in powerplay in any way........ fantasy politics......nasty stuff..never touch it
Remember, this is only a suggestion put out there for debate
* puts on his flak jacket and tin lid *
So, here is a SUGGESTION ( which i`m sure will be controversial )
As the pvp crowd will be getting wing missions / squadrons / carriers and now it seems powerplay to enhance their gameplay, is it unreasonable to suggest that the solo / pg players also get a little something to enhance their gameplay as well ?
How about the Panther Clipper?........ it could be restricted to solo / pg play only....after all a bulk trading ship is hardly of use in pvp activities, but it would allow those who enjoy some peaceful trading and mining to do so, with powerplay no longer a function in solo or pg`s, the bulk trading would not affect anything except the amount of credits in the bank
I should state here that i have no interest in powerplay in any way........ fantasy politics......nasty stuff..never touch it
Remember, this is only a suggestion put out there for debate
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Strange, l i always thought of PP as being a feature that required both PvP and PvE to succeed. I can't imagine a power getting top spot through PvP only. At least, not without radical changes as to how PP works.
It would be interesting to see if that is possible after the changes. Except,l just like now, there will be a variety of players playing PP,l including those who just do the PvE (i presume). To be hoenst,l it might be interesting joining the power where the most agressive PPers sign up with, and see if they can resist shooting me, or whether they really are interested in PP as a mechanic or PP as a principle.
The main crutch where PP is concerned is the kit locked behind it - moving/adding that kit to Tech-brokers would perhaps address that issue. It is certainly the ONLY reason I have even considered touching PP personally.
Secondly, providing Open locked PP does not affect the shared universe state in any significant way where Solo/PG players are concerned then there is no real issue there either.
Where Squadrons, Carriers, and Wing Missions are concerned - that is co-operative PvE mainly and equally applicable to PG players. Where the Carriers are concerned, I think FD are potentially making a mountain out of a mole hill by saying individuals or smaller squadrons should not have access to them. I can see some potential spawning issues with respect to Open perhaps but they should be far from insurmountable IMO.
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That’s not how the community base is split.
There’s those that crave challenge and excitement - and all the personal growth that comes with that (generally: PvP and Open players).
On the other side are the All Modes Are Equal enthusiasts. Best I can I tell? Their raging senses of entitlement demand a game so dumbed down as to be Farmville In Space.
Besides, giving them exclusive access to the Panther Clipper would be a waste of good ship!
If you joined my power I’d blast you on the spot. This would not invaldiate a single thing ever.
There’s those that crave challenge and excitement - and all the personal growth that comes with that (generally: PvP and Open players).
On the other side are the All Modes Are Equal enthusiasts. Best I can I tell? Their raging senses of entitlement demand a game so dumbed down as to be Farmville In Space.
Besides, giving them exclusive access to the Panther Clipper would be a waste of good ship!
Strange, l i always thought of PP as being a feature that required both PvP and PvE to succeed. I can't imagine a power getting top spot through PvP only. At least, not without radical changes as to how PP works.
It would be interesting to see if that is possible after the changes. Except,l just like now, there will be a variety of players playing PP,l including those who just do the PvE (i presume). To be hoenst,l it might be interesting joining the power where the most agressive PPers sign up with, and see if they can resist shooting me, or whether they really are interested in PP as a mechanic or PP as a principle.
If you joined my power I’d blast you on the spot. This would not invaldiate a single thing ever.
Aye, the reality here is that's exactly why giving PP to Open only won't be "good enough". They will still go on to whine about the BGS.
I’ve got faith FDEV could go Open Only PP and resist calls for Open only BGS.
In fact, I suspect a revitalized PowerPlay would significantly reduce desire for Open Only BGS.
In fact, I suspect a revitalized PowerPlay would significantly reduce desire for Open Only BGS.
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Too late, they've already chummed the water.
The only thing that's going to stop the tide at this point is a non-ambiguous and completely serious stance statement from FD directly. Sandro's post regarding how the PP changes won't lead to anything else changing isn't going to cut it, because now those advocates believe it's eventual now that they've gone back on their "all modes equal" stance.
When you change your story- you're demonstrating your willingness to do so not only now, but in the future.
I'm glad you have "faith", because I certainly don't.
FD still may not make PP Open only, at this point it is only a proposal. If they do, then they will have to buy back the good will of non-Open players that such a move would have cost them.
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I dont see any issues for solo/pg to get something unique. As long as they don't affect the main servers they deffenitely should have npc wings, maybe some OP weapons that in open would cause an unbalance. Come up with more examples.
Solo shouldn't get mixed up with multiplayer functionality and vice versa.
Don’t let hysteria get to you.
Sandro’s comment, especially considering the context around it, is solid as solid can be.
From a pragmatic point of view, it’s better to take PP than to make a new PvP centric feature.
Dev hours are limited. An adjustment to PP takes far less time than a complete new feature.
This will leave time to make new stuff that benefits all players. New features will come and non of them will have to be PvP centric. PvP got PP.
Right now I believe Sandro's future intention about as much as I believe Trump would suddenly make the US a border-less country.
That's not hysteria- that's reality.
From a pragmatic point of view, it’s better to take PP than to make a new PvP centric feature.
Dev hours are limited. An adjustment to PP takes far less time than a complete new feature.
This will leave time to make new stuff that benefits all players. New features will come and non of them will have to be PvP centric. PvP got PP.
And the demands won't stop there.
And yet the sun came up this morning.
In any case, didn’t realize thought crime was an issue for your side! Here’s hoping Sandro and company don’t take the uproar too seriously.
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