Anyone else thinking of asking for a refund?
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Funny you've mentioned that. E.g. recently lot of gamedevs (and their internet white knights) said about lootboxes "its our games, we do whatever we want". So in several countries they've got prohibitive legislation slapped over that and now facing criminal charges if they keep insisting on "making our games the way we see fit". I think latest complaint was something about "restricting our creative freedomsto screw customer over", riiight
Indeed.
It's a CSR topic that's becoming very hot at the moment. In fact, I was looking at a statement by the Chairman of a very large Private Equity Fund a couple of weeks ago...making clear that they will no longer put up with the negative behaviour as outlined and have both turned down, and indeed revoked next round funding from certain entities that behave that way in recent weeks.
If the end user ever becomes educated about this stuff, it's a game changer.
Both literally and figuratively, in Frontiers' case.
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Oh horse pucky.
DRAMAaa!
If there is any change like open only PP it will because the majority of us want it
Exactly.
Indeed. I may or may not have some direct experience of this.
It's a CSR topic that's becoming very hot at the moment. In fact, I was looking at a statement by the Chairman of a very large Private Equity Fund a couple of weeks ago...making clear that they will no longer put up with the negative behaviour as outlined and have both turned down, and indeed revoked next round funding from certain entities that behave that way in recent weeks.
If the end user ever becomes educated about this stuff, it's a game changer.
Both literally and figuratively, in Frontier's case.
I'm sure lawyers will be tripping over each other for a heady slice of the £60 quid.
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To the OP. This is a wonderful idea. Buy a game, play it for days, weeks months, years. Wait for an update that changes the game in a way you don't like. Get a refund. Buy a new game. Play it for days, weeks months, years. Wait for an update. Ask for a refund as you don't like the changes and rinse and repeat. Buy one game and never need to pay for another.
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Instead how about. I don't like the PROPOSED changes, it will change one aspect of the game I like. I will stop playing or I will post and say why they should not implement those changes etc... In other words if you want to stop playing that is your choice, just don't ask for a refund after playing a game for more then a few days and expect anyone to take you seriously. Games change over time, some for the better some for the worse. The best one can hope for is that the total number of changes made end up with more that you like then dislike.
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Oh before I forget the it is illegal part. So a game that has updates to how the game is played is open to legal issues you have got to be joking I hope. They change power play, they change mining, they change crime and punishment. They add in Engineers, and whatever else. So you don't like it. Engineers changed everything if I don't use them my ship is not as good. REFUND or I take you to court. Power Play no longer usable except in OPEN (proposed not even implemented), and this is illegal. It is your game I bought but you made a change and I will sue you. Mining changes soon, but you ruined how to mine and I hate it, I am going to sue you.
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Please if don't like any change say so, but to threaten to sue? You have got to be joking. If they didn't produce a game and embezzled the money absolutely sue. However they made a game you bought and played, then change it and you want to sue. You realize with that attitude any change made could cause people to sue if they don't like it as it changed their game play. Get real and get over the tantrums.
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Calebe
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Instead how about. I don't like the PROPOSED changes, it will change one aspect of the game I like. I will stop playing or I will post and say why they should not implement those changes etc... In other words if you want to stop playing that is your choice, just don't ask for a refund after playing a game for more then a few days and expect anyone to take you seriously. Games change over time, some for the better some for the worse. The best one can hope for is that the total number of changes made end up with more that you like then dislike.
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Oh before I forget the it is illegal part. So a game that has updates to how the game is played is open to legal issues you have got to be joking I hope. They change power play, they change mining, they change crime and punishment. They add in Engineers, and whatever else. So you don't like it. Engineers changed everything if I don't use them my ship is not as good. REFUND or I take you to court. Power Play no longer usable except in OPEN (proposed not even implemented), and this is illegal. It is your game I bought but you made a change and I will sue you. Mining changes soon, but you ruined how to mine and I hate it, I am going to sue you.
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Please if don't like any change say so, but to threaten to sue? You have got to be joking. If they didn't produce a game and embezzled the money absolutely sue. However they made a game you bought and played, then change it and you want to sue. You realize with that attitude any change made could cause people to sue if they don't like it as it changed their game play. Get real and get over the tantrums.
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Calebe
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Or, take control and engage easier and higher rewarding options by logging out and playing something else
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If you bought the game a month ago because of a particular feature that was removed today, would you expect a refund? We all draw the line somewhere, just in different places
Or, take control and engage easier and higher rewarding options by logging out and playing something else
Thats right, Combat log Elite Dangerous Itself! Its meta, I like it
If you bought the game a month ago because of a particular feature that was removed today, would you expect a refund? We all draw the line somewhere, just in different places
If the OP literally just recently bought the game specifically with the intent of playing powerplay in solo mode, then maybe a refund would a reasonable request if this change went through. That seems like a wildly unlikely situation, though. FDev doesn't really advertise powerplay as a headline feature, and they CERTAINLY don't advertise that you specifically can both play it in solo, and expect to do so indefinitely. Someone could of course learn about powerplayand the modes of Elite and potentially build that expectation in their head, but that's hardly something FDev can be held responsible for.
If FDEV goes with that poor decision, technical measures will be taken to ensure solo play in open. That should probably do the trick.
If that doesn't help, a refund may be in order.
First: E
Second: Yes, online games change, but usually features are added, not removed.
If I buy a license for a game, I am usually allowed to use it indefinitely.
Do I look like I care?
Developers can either stick to what they have sold, sell upgrades and earn money, or they can remove features, destroy the playerbase and hand out refunds. If it doesn't keep them afloat, it's their own fault and they shouldn't survive.
As a gamer, if I didn't like an upgrade, I simply don't install it. Or buy the expansion. That's the way it has been for decades.
See above: The game being online is a workaround in itself. It is therefore FDEVs responsibility to make sure any changes are compatible with people's gameplay. We are not talking about games like World of Warships were things are supposed to change all the time.
Nope, sorry, but not good enough.
I know of plenty of features in World of Warcraft, for example, that have been removed over the years and new skill systems and level systems replaced.
If you compare Vanilla WoW to WoW Legion, the game does not play anything like how it was originally released.
The same goes for the Final Fantasy MMO they released a few years ago - they had to completely shelve the game and re-release it and it was completely overhauled.
Games have stuff taken away all the time.
All this whining about refunds is OTT. Get real! Steam/Valve only give refunds if you've played the game for 2 hours or less, and people view that as fair and generous - and you're all expecting refunds over Powerplay when you've plugged hundreds or thousands of hours into this game?
Please, get real! It won't happen!
If this game was made with Offline only, it would be the most boring game ever - I'm glad Frontier have their scopes set a little higher than catering for the 1%.
Yeah actually. I'm just stumped by the lack of development in their new features. Sure it looks pretty. But now my time is being hindered way more than usual due to notoriety from clipping a ship during bounty hunting or lockdown when I have all kinds of resources. I almost got a refund when I got stuck in a large ship outfitted completely for combat with a crappie fsd. I was in a conflict zone and somehow it just moves so I got a bounty, a notoriety of 2, couldn't jump away, and I couldn't switch ships at the only station. All of that was a community goal too. Hell I normally can't switch stations because I have a large ship and there is maybe 1 out of 10 stations that will have a large landing pad. Like I live off grid and have no issue playing games, but ed now takes so much time to accomplish which makes me feel like I spent all that power on nothing. It's all about getting more players to impulse buy the game, not about keeping them.
But it is an understandable reaction - it can be understood. I do not draw my personal line in the same place as the OP (I already play in Open & have never pledged for a start, I also do not think this is the beginning of a slippery slope) but I can empathise with their concern and hope to reassure them that the sky is not falling
I'm in favour of this because of the PvP aspect. It potentially allows a release of tension within the community, but as this thread shows it still comes at a cost. I'm sure you are familiar with many such compromises that have not gone the way you had hoped, and while you are not considering a refund for those choices you've probably had the 'you bought the wrong game' argument levelled at you (not by me). This situation is analogous, albeit with the important difference that the OP bought the right game, and now the game will potentially change to one they would not have bought had it been the proposed way at the time of purchase, regardless of how long ago that was.
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It's nothing like the iPhone fiasco. They did it to older phones to force us to buy newer ones.
FD is not trying to sell us ELITE : DEADLY by crippling ELITE : DANGEROUS
I have read a dozen different analogies in this thread. Why do people think just because their analogy makes sense ,it is applicable to ED ?
(and that includes my analogy above)
Thread is tl;dr, so apologies if this has already been said but..
If PP goes Open only, anyone will still be able to participate in PP if they still wish to do so.. just not in solo/pg.. no one is being excluded from a feature of the advertised game.
(Even console players who don't subscribe for multi-player, the option is available if they choose it)
If PP goes Open only, anyone will still be able to participate in PP if they still wish to do so.. just not in solo/pg.. no one is being excluded from a feature of the advertised game.
(Even console players who don't subscribe for multi-player, the option is available if they choose it)
But it is an understandable reaction - it can be understood. I do not draw my personal line in the same place as the OP (I already play in Open & have never pledged for a start, I also do not think this is the beginning of a slippery slope) but I can empathise with their concern and hope to reassure them that the sky is not falling
I'm in favour of this because of the PvP aspect. It potentially allows a release of tension within the community, but as this thread shows it still comes at a cost. I'm sure you are familiar with many such compromises that have not gone the way you had hoped, and while you are not considering a refund for those choices you've probably had the 'you bought the wrong game' argument levelled at you (not by me). This situation is analogous, albeit with the important difference that the OP bought the right game, and now the game will potentially change to one they would not have bought had it been the proposed way at the time of purchase, regardless of how long ago that was.
I can understand the OP's position just like I understand a toddler throwing a tantrum. Understating it doesn't make it anymore reasonable or correct.