Anyone else thinking of asking for a refund?

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
m0rl0ck said:
Why would i delete my save? I dont even understand the logic of connecting the two.
I dont play much but i paid for the game and if FD proposes to start arbitrarily deleting features, the question i have, is why arent you concerned about that?
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You're getting carried away. There's no mention, anywhere of PP being deleted.

Just that it might be improved to offset tighter C&P that makes open play less dangerous for those previously playing PvE, exclusively in solo and less viable for those playing the PvP game. So rather than anything being deleted, the suggestion is one that encourages 'communal' play - even for lone wolves - in a shared environment.

That's an add.
 

RidingTheFlow

RidingTheFlow
Un1k0rn said:
I really want you to take FD to court, so I can laugh.
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Are you that bad at reading?

I also have a friend we did pledge ED KS together with. When FDev said "no more solo for you", he was told in similar fashion - "eh, its their game, they free to decide whatever they want, you knew you paid for uncertain promises, I dare you to take them to court". Then he wrote them stern letter, and they gave him a refund saying that apparently "its always was an option".
You don't have to bend over prematurely.
 
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6opoDuJIo

6opoDuJIo
SHIPKITS, DECALS, PAINTJOBS WEREN'T EITHER ON A KICKSTARTER/ORIGINAL GAME. HOW DARE THEM TO DEMAND MORE MONEY FOR EXTRA STUFF. I DEMAND MONEY I PAID ONCE YEARS AGO
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
RidingTheFlow said:
Are you that bad at reading?

I also have a friend we did pledge ED KS together with. When FDev said "no more solo for you", he was told in similar fashion - "eh, its their game, they free to decide whatever they want, you knew you paid for uncertain promises, I dare you to take them to court". Then he wrote them stern letter, and they gave him a refund saying that apparently "its always was an option".
You don't have to bend over prematurely.
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My games still got solo in it.
 

verminstar

Banned
verminstar
Stigbob said:
Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's compulsory. Besides which you'll go blind.
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Me mammy tried to tell me Id get fur on the palms of my hands if I kept doing it...funny how it changes in different parts of the world. I think she was just annoyed cos she caught me dressing up in her wardrobe at the time ^
 

Siranui

S
RidingTheFlow said:
the game worked "fine" is hardly a clear-cut legal definition ;)
Neither "99.99999999999"% ;)
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It works. I was using flowered language, but in clear-cut terms: The game absolutely works, and the uninformed could play for weeks without even noting the change. I await someone to put their hand in a pocket and pay for a lawyer with amusement.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
verminstar said:
Me mammy tried to tell me Id get fur on the palms of my hands if I kept doing it...funny how it changes in different parts of the world. I think she was just annoyed cos she caught me dressing up in her wardrobe at the time ^
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She was right

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Hedy

H
GJ51 said:
Where do you buy bread that lasts a thousand hours and changes the ingredients put into it at the time of sale?

How about if you bought a car with a V-6 engine and drove it for 2 years and then one day the mfgr knocked on your door and said that you had to give up the V-6 engine you bought and they would replace it with a 4cyl with half the horsepower?

I suppose you'd be fine with that?

Logic needs to be taught in grade school

Any buyer agrees to the terms of sale at the time of purchase. Just because X hours have passed and some think that fulfills the original terms accepted, doesn't make it so. FD defined the original terms of sale - not the buyer - the buyer accepted, in good faith, what FD offered. Changing the agreement after the sale is easily unethical at best and possibly even illegal depending on where you live. Although there may not be enough of a financial incentive to trigger interest in a class action suit, that doesn't disqualify it on the merits. I'm not familiar with EU law sufficiently to comment, but in the US. if there was a large enough base to make it profitable, there would be law firms willing to try this on the merits if this change were to take place.

And I've been party to enough US class action suits to know what I'm talking about. TY

I find the fact that FD is openly polarizing it's own player base on this topic quite disgusting.
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Good luck with your forum law degree. I am sure when you realise you are posting long winded and serious replies about a change in a computer game you'll feel somewhat childish.
Please post more in this pompous fashion for my personal amusement.
Thanks.
 

nrage

nrage
Stigbob said:
What's your hours played to pennies spent ratio ?.
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Oh, oh, I know.. I have a spreadsheet to avoid over spending on Elite.

1404 hours (at last check .. it's probably higher now)
£0.58 price per hour (everything)
£0.11 price per hour (game costs)
£0.37 price per hour (joysticks)
£0.08 price per hour (extras)

For the game and LEP I spent £150
I've spent over £500 on joysticks alone!
And another ~£100 on paint packs, ship kits, etc.

Lets face it.. I'm practically a whale at this point and I can't really point my finger at the insanity that goes on over at Star Citizen. That said, those Joysticks will be used for that as well so .. that's how I justify things ;)

Which reminds me, anyone want a VKB Gladiator (non-pro, Mk.I)?
Or a Cobra M5 Defender? (UK/EU only)
PM's please, reasonable offers, first come, first satisfied
(is this ok by forum rules.. ? If not, let me know!)
 
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Genus

Genus
GJ51 said:
I find the fact that FD is openly polarizing it's own player base on this topic quite disgusting.
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As do I, although I believe it's out of naivety as much as purposeful. A breakdown of communication between those designing the game and those responsible for it, if you will.

That said, in much the same manner as the road which has taken us to the Article 29 Working Group for GDPR, I can see the risk developing, whereby Frontier might be fed to the system. As a test case to change the law on consumer facing software development, if they are not careful.

Their audience is big enough now and they seemingly do like to test the water over exactly what they can "get away with".

It's a recipe for reputational change.
 
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RidingTheFlow

RidingTheFlow
Genus said:
That said, in much the same manner as the road which has taken us to the Article 29 Working Group for GDPR, I can see Frontier being fed to the system, as a test case to change the law on consumer facing software development, if they are not careful.
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Funny you've mentioned that. E.g. recently lot of gamedevs (and their internet white knights) said about lootboxes "its our games, we do whatever we want". So in several countries they've got prohibitive legislation slapped over that and now facing criminal charges if they keep insisting on "making our games the way we see fit". I think latest complaint was something about "restricting our creative freedoms to screw customer over", riiight ;)
 
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