Modes Open PVE mode - partial solution to community division?

[mastermaniac]

I'm not going to read through all this junk, because I'm sure I've seen it all before.

Short answer: no. Differentiating PvE and PvP is a stupid, terrible idea. You either play offline or with friends-only, or you get the whole kit and caboodle in open. Anything else is just trying to patch a sucking chest wound with a band-aid. I know all about the so called "high-sec" Eve Online solution, and the level of cheesy fakery there completely sabotages the mood and setting of the game. The so called "response units" we have now in Elite, with their cheaty, massive-damage lasers, is already pushing it. You want to stop or regulate PvP, do so with organic, sensible, background-based systems. Make it costly or risky to engage in.

Either accept that Open is full of otherwise-bored griefers and move on, or just keep doing solo/private. I'm really nervous about this stupid online focus I've been seeing lately. No one wants to play that way, and I feel it's being forced on the rest.

 

[WR3ND]

I'm not going to read through all this junk, because I'm sure I've seen it all before.

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So you add more junk to the pile. < Logic

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I didn't read it all because I'm lazy and busy getting the grill ready for cooking up some rib eyes.

 

[rootsrat]

No one wants to play that way, and I feel it's being forced on the rest.

You are plain wrong there.

 

[mastermaniac]

On which count? :-D Let's hear it.

 

[rootsrat]

On which count? :-D Let's hear it.

You've said:

I'm really nervous about this stupid online focus I've been seeing lately. No one wants to play that way, and I feel it's being forced on the rest.

And this 100% wrong, because there are plenty of people that would like to play online (multiplayer).

Unless you meant something else by that - if so you'l need to be more clear than that.

 

[mastermaniac]

Don't dodge or sidestep my question. You know exactly what I was asking you. You said I'm wrong. On which count?

I said that no one really cares about Open Play. I also said it seems like people are being forced into it. You simply said that I'm wrong. I'm asking which of those two assertions do you mean to challenge?

Let's assume given your response up there you meant the former. I can rebuke you thus: the huge whinefest that is players screaming, demanding people stop playing solo and come online to play with them - that comes from the simple fact that most people don't seem to give a crap about Open Play. At least that's how I feel, and I'm willing to say that's how a pretty hefty number of players feel, too.

 

[rootsrat]

Don't dodge or sidestep my question. You know exactly what I was asking you. You said I'm wrong. On which count?

I said that no one really cares about Open Play. I also said it seems like people are being forced into it. You simply said that I'm wrong. I'm asking which of those two assertions do you mean to challenge?

Let's assume given your response up there you meant the former. I can rebuke you thus: the huge whinefest that is players screaming, demanding people stop playing solo and come online to play with them - that comes from the simple fact that most people don't seem to give a crap about Open Play. At least that's how I feel, and I'm willing to say that's how a pretty hefty number of players feel, too.

Of course people care about Open. What makes you think they don't? A lot of people do and want to play in Open. A lot of people do and want to play in Solo.

Unless you're some sort of mind reader and you know exactly what every single player of Elite wants.

Anyway, what does that have to do with my proposal? Do you have a point to make in regards to the OP or are you here to derail the thread?

 

[WR3ND]

You've said:



And this 100% wrong, because there are plenty of people that would like to play online (multiplayer).

Unless you meant something else by that - if so you'l need to be more clear than that.

Point being, speak for yourself, not others, trying to make straw men and the like. What does it add to anything anyway and who would care than those that might already be biased toward your (someone's in general) opinion?

This forum needs some love. [heart]

Well, do I listen to The Beatles or Led Zeppelin?

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Both it is.

 

[mastermaniac]

are you here to derail the thread?"

Irony.

That is all, proceed.

 

[WR3ND]

are you here to derail the thread?"

Irony.

That is all, proceed.

Are you asking OP or me? Honestly don't know. Use quotes even if you just mark it out with "..." Me, I think I'm being rather relevant, leastwise based on the other posts I'm responding to.

 

[rootsrat]

Are you asking OP or me? Honestly don't know. Use quotes even if you just mark it out with "..." Me, I think I'm being rather relevant, leastwise based on the other posts I'm responding to.

I don't think I'm here to derail my own thread

Just to gather opinions regarding my proposal of Open PVE mode. It's been quite a fruitful discussion so far. I realised how badly PG's are broken. I realised there are couple more cons to Open PVE than I initially thought. I'm hoping for more debate, debate is good. Some don't seem to know the word though

 

[WR3ND]

I don't think I'm here to derail my own thread

Just to gather opinions regarding my proposal of Open PVE mode. It's been quite a fruitful discussion so far. I realised how badly PG's are broken. I realised there are couple more cons to Open PVE than I initially thought. I'm hoping for more debate, debate is good. Some don't seem to know the word though

Right, well, they said it was ironic, so... I don't know.

Well, back on point, I think Open PVE would be rather difficult to implement in general. I can see it being a thing though, but I also think it would potentially take away from the other modes. Personally, I really don't like the idea of mode exclusive content based on any mode, and yet Frontier have in the past implemented bonuses for Open content (Dangerous Games gem drops, which I didn't pick up any of anyway), and now they're implementing other Open exclusive content potentially (Powerplay), so I think they value Open more than the other modes. Personally, I think it's pretty crap. To think I am playing in some lesser state than others is... ignorant. I think you know of my play history as much as the next person, and I think you would agree with me there.

The populous, my friend, this is what Frontier and ourselves included must, begrudgingly, submit ourselves to. What is left for the rest of the lone-wolf mavericks that choose to be through their own force of will? The same as it ever was since the Engineers, I suppose.

I really can't tell you how much it bothers me that we are back here discussing this same old same old instead of Frontier working to try and find a way forward rather than compromising what the game currently has to offer players regardless of which mode they might care to play in. I can only hope they can see to reason rather than pandering to the lowest common denominator.

The game will sell itself if it is worthy of it. And to be fair, the playground is pretty amazing. For the love, use it!

 

[Cosmos]

Whilst everyone is arguing amongst themselves the reality is that this entire quagmire is of Frontiers making. They've marketed the game to appeal to all play styles but let everyone duel it out. As much as I despise certain people in the community the person we should all be angry with is Braben.

I haven't played ED for over a year because there really isn't anything left for me to enjoy. I've realised that commenting and reading the forum and reddit is little more than a habit. I did want ED to succeed but all things considered I think I'm done with it.

So have what ever modes you want.. I really couldn't care less anymore.

 

[WR3ND]

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I know exactly what you're saying, but I don't think we can really blame someone in particular like that. It's a storm of what could be and what is viable or perceived as being viable. I can't really fault anyone, leastwise a public company, for falling to that.

All things being equal, what draws me back and keeps me playing is the scope of the game world that Frontier, bless them for that at least, have implemented, shallow as it may be for some of us. This game is still amazing in its own niche ways, and that's what was a part of what drew me in in the first place. Out in the black, fully loaded in a combat Vulture, no one can hear the trife. This is one area in which the game could use some refinement, if the game new what it was in the first place and who it could appeal to, of course.

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[WR3ND]

Context. That's all I'm trying to get across with the above. Hope you understand my position.

Cheers, Commanders, and hope you have a great weekend!

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

nevermind.

 

[mastermaniac]

Of course people care about Open. What makes you think they don't? A lot of people do and want to play in Open. A lot of people do and want to play in Solo.

Unless you're some sort of mind reader and you know exactly what every single player of Elite wants.

Anyway, what does that have to do with my proposal? Do you have a point to make in regards to the OP or are you here to derail the thread?

Yeah, there's your irony. I already made my points in a previous post. They're right there for you to read. The irony is, you're blithely accusing someone of "derailing" the thread, when you yourself are trying to make this thing into some sort of diversionary ing contest.

I guess you'd have to, considering you don't seem inclined to argue my point that a small minority is screaming to force people to play in Open. Wrangling together a bunch of hacky, patchy, divisive "solutions" like this ridiculous call for a PvE only mode ain't gonna cut it anyway. Open Play isn't worth anything to the end user who doesn't give two craps about the so-called PvP game, period - and I'd go so far as to suggest that people who don't care about Open are the majority, or at least close enough to it.

Those of us who don't want Open, don't want Open period. We don't want the random players in the chat window, we don't want the online-based focus that gives us more MMO and less space-game immersion, we don't want groups or clans or Squadrons even, we don't want crowded Res sites or reality-bending rules that, in your PvE-only scenario, supposedly would disallow shooting these other players we're suddenly forced to play with - we just don't care. More than any of that, a lot of us just don't want the horrible performance drops that can and do occur when you're playing online.

Open is not the answer. It's never going to be unless the game features some serious player-driven economy models or what have you. Otherwise, it's a worthless time sink that's detracting from the development of otherwise useful features, just to satisfy the whims of a tiny segment of players who get their kicks shooting at real players instead of NPCs.

 

[WR3ND]

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From what I've seen, for what it's worth, there are a number of people who would be interested in a PVE mode. I'm not one of them, but I'm not going to discredit the positions of others based on my own position and approach to playing the game.

 

[mastermaniac]

I ordinarily would not care either, if not for the prevalence of demands that non-Open players be forced to play in Open.

Honestly, this kind of hacky "solution" is part of the reason I wouldn't even remotely consider playing in Open. But, hey - so long as Solo/Group goes on untouched, by all means, have at. However, the greater "online only" "argument" remains alarming, and I see this kind of thing as part and parcel when it comes to moving the game towards an online-only focus.

 

[Sylveria]

I'm not going to read through all this junk, because I'm sure I've seen it all before.

Great way to interrupt a thread without bothering to read any of the previous information. Why on earth should anyone give what you have to say any "weight" then?

Perhaps we should be so dismissive of your opinion, too.

Short answer: no. Differentiating PvE and PvP is a stupid, terrible idea. You either play offline or with friends-only, or you get the whole kit and caboodle in open. Anything else is just trying to patch a sucking chest wound with a band-aid. I know all about the so called "high-sec" Eve Online solution, and the level of cheesy fakery there completely sabotages the mood and setting of the game. The so called "response units" we have now in Elite, with their cheaty, massive-damage lasers, is already pushing it. You want to stop or regulate PvP, do so with organic, sensible, background-based systems. Make it costly or risky to engage in.

It's already "differentiated" as has been discussed ad nauseum through years. The community is already "fractured" and sticking your head in the sand and acting like everything is fine isn't going to resolve this issue.

Either accept that Open is full of otherwise-bored griefers and move on, or just keep doing solo/private. I'm really nervous about this stupid online focus I've been seeing lately. No one wants to play that way, and I feel it's being forced on the rest.

"I feel it's being forced on the rest". You mean... like PvP is in Open currently?

Or, perhaps how about YOU go to Solo/Private and we get Open mode instead? Not acceptable? Now you know how PvE players feel about your ridiculous proposal.

Have no idea why you'd feel "nervous", a cooperative PvE mode and wouldn't affect you and your game in the slightest.

We're not going to just "stop discussing and go away" because you don't feel like it's a good idea.