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[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

You got one thing right, some modes don't get features.

Like Open mode doesn't get Hi-rez screenshots.

You want a "main mode", then it's the mode with everything....

Private Groups.

Also, trying to class indirect PvE token pushing as "PvP" (in relation to your precious "pew pew PvP") - I'd have thought that lame duck of an argument was beneath you, so that seems to be the only thing I've gotten wrong.

Jockey. Its exactly what Sandro is telling you. You fight over PVE objectives.

Please. Enough with your trolling.

They have told you and explained it many times. Sorry you cant handle it. But it is what it is.

Its over.

They just made a job listing to knock down your wall by the way.

I told you it was inevitable. Just like death. Just like taxes. Games change.

Look at how much changed when we first started talking about this when the Hotel thread existed? I tried to tell you this when I first got here.

And now, from then to now. Its a different game. And a year from now. ITs going to be different again. And 2-3 years from now. Its going to be WAYYYYYYYYYY different.

But you just cant accept it. No game stays the same. Its just the way it is.

Now the question is. Can you roll with the punches?

Why dont you try the deep end of the pool for a while. Stop with all the kid stuff. Take the floaties off. And enjoy the game.

If and when you ever do decide to take the dive.

You know where to find me.

Z0

 

[Jockey79]

Please. Enough with your trolling.

Your the one trolling here.

Frontier advertising for a new network programmer has nothing to do with the Wall of Information.

It doesn't remove the modes, it doesn't remove the block feature and it does not stop me changing my firewall or router.

I'm glad they want to improve the network code, it will make PGs a lot more fun once instancing is more stable for Wings and Multi-crew.

But feel free to keep trying to attack me personally with your insults, it really shows how desperate you are.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Your the one trolling here.

Frontier advertising for a new network programmer has nothing to do with the Wall of Information.

It doesn't remove the modes, it doesn't remove the block feature and it does not stop me changing my firewall or router.

I'm glad they want to improve the network code, it will make PGs a lot more fun once instancing is more stable for Wings and Multi-crew.

But feel free to keep trying to attack me personally with your insults, it really shows how desperate you are.

There was no personal insults here. Not a single one.

You're spreading misinformation like crazy. They are very capable of making changes and express it. Have for a long time.

Im not desperate.

Im not the one giving out cherry picked info. Or letting my birthday get ruined over what a developer says.

Seriously take a look at whats going on here buddy.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Also, trying to class indirect PvE token pushing as "PvP" (in relation to your precious "pew pew PvP") - I'd have thought that lame duck of an argument was beneath you, so that seems to be the only thing I've gotten wrong.

It's grasping at straws. PvP means Player vs Player, not Player vs Environment vs Player. Using that kind of logic, everything is PvE, since other players also make up the environment.

Whenever someone wheels that out, you can safely assume they realise how weak their position is and will try to use that as cop out. It's so transparent it's cute.

 

[Jockey79]

Or letting my birthday get ruined over what a developer says.

Still with the personal attacks, how predictable.

Attacking the poster not the argument.
It's all you have left isn't it, now Sandro said it was just an investigation and nothing is happening yet.

It's grasping at straws. PvP means Player vs Player, not Player vs Environment vs Player. Using that kind of logic, everything is PvE, since other players also make up the environment.

Whenever someone wheels that out, you can safely assume they realise how weak their position is and will try to use that as cop out. It's so transparent it's cute.

Yup, between redefining common terms to suit themselves and the personal attacks - you'd think they'd get bored of showing themselves up.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Still with the personal attacks, how predictable.

Attacking the poster not the argument.
It's all you have left isn't it, now Sandro said it was just an investigation and nothing is happening yet.



Yup, between redefining common terms to suit themselves and the personal attacks - you'd think they'd get bored of showing themselves up.

Ive been proven wrong. HELP SOMEONE IS PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME by using a quote I made in public!

Add that to your wall. Because even if it is a proposal. That is the direction they want to go regardless.

 

[Jockey79]

Ive been proven wrong. HELP SOMEONE IS PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME by using a quote I made in public!



Add that to your wall. Because even if it is a proposal. That is the direction they want to go regardless.

You've never proven anyone wrong, let alone me or The Wall of Information.
If you had any counter evidence that isn't made up by your or your friends, I'd remove the relevant part of the wall.
Your doctored Discord photos, home made YT vids and Reddit threads with 273 comments are not proof of anything other than your own deceit.

Oh and it's not a "proposal" (making things up yet again) - it is an "investigation". And the fact that is a step down from what was a proposal shows just how much it isn't going to happen.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Oh and it's not a "proposal" (making things up yet again) - it is an "investigation". And the fact that is a step down from what was a proposal shows just how much it isn't going to happen.

Just from the perspective of a Project Manager; I typically launch an investigation after making a proposal.

It would make no sense for me to commit further resources and time for an investigation if the proposal had no merit.

I don't know if FDev run their projects in some outlandish way, but that's how PM's do things.

 

[Jockey79]

Just from the perspective of a Project Manager; I typically launch an investigation after making a proposal.

It would make no sense for me to commit further resources and time for an investigation if the proposal had no merit.

I don't know if FDev run their projects in some outlandish way, but that's how PM's do things.

Well, their thread (flash topic 1 & 2) was a "proposal", but in the more recent video it because an "investigation".
Which to me is a step back, as like you said; you "investigate" first then make a "proposal" based on the "investigation".
Not make the "proposal" blindly, then quickly claim you're not doing anything, you're just "investigating".

Perhaps you should work at Frontier and teach them how to do it properly

 

[Marra Morgan]

Which to me is a step back, as like you said; you "investigate" first then make a "proposal" based on the "investigation".

That's not what I said Jockey.

Please read my previous post more carefully:

Just from the perspective of a Project Manager; I typically launch an investigation after making a proposal.

 

[Jockey79]

That's not what I said Jockey.

Please read my previous post more carefully:

my bad, reading on the run today - and in this heat, it's melting me.

 

[Goose4291]

You've never proven anyone wrong, let alone me or The Wall of Information.
If you had any counter evidence that isn't made up by your or your friends, I'd remove the relevant part of the wall.
Your doctored Discord photos, home made YT vids and Reddit threads with 273 comments are not proof of anything other than your own deceit.

Oh and it's not a "proposal" (making things up yet again) - it is an "investigation". And the fact that is a step down from what was a proposal shows just how much it isn't going to happen.

To be fair to 90's kid it is a bit suspicious how 'the wall' is missing Sandro's quote from 2015 re: Powerplay

Sandro from 29/5/15: Make no mistake, one element of Powerplay is about competition within a power - that's intentional it's also about grand scale territory control between powers, offering context and reward for consensual PvP competition and letting Commanders feel part of a team.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ific-modules?p=2298988&viewfull=1#post2298988

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

To be fair to 90's kid it is a bit suspicious how 'the wall' is missing Sandro's quote from 2015 re: Powerplay

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ific-modules?p=2298988&viewfull=1#post2298988

You get kudos for looking through the wall of information to see whether that quote was there. I just scroll past it (Sorry Jocks, but I feel the WoI defeats the purpose of informing by it's sheer size, plus I'm not that bothered and easily bored)

On to the dissecting of the quote:

Make no mistake, one element of Powerplay is about competition within a power - that's intentional it's also about grand scale territory control between powers, offering context and reward for consensual PvP competition and letting Commanders feel part of a team.

Powerplay as it is at the moment does provide context for consensual PvP. If you want contextual PvP you already can achieve this. Now I'll grant that Open Only Powerplay makes PvP more likely, but the current iteration of PP does offer context and reward for it. It does so quite badly, since it's reliant mostly on PvE, and Open Only will do nothing to change that, but you fellers oddly seem to not be bothered by PvP driven Powerplay. The quote does not say that consensual PvP is manditory. One(!) element of Powerplay.

 

[Jockey79]

To be fair to 90's kid it is a bit suspicious how 'the wall' is missing Sandro's quote from 2015 re: Powerplay



https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ific-modules?p=2298988&viewfull=1#post2298988

Ping that over https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/434789-The-Wall-of-Information for me please, will add it later.

Edit: Never mind, done it - made it a proper quote (clickable back to source) and put it in it's chronological place in the PP section.

 

[Jockey79]

(Sorry Jocks, but I feel the WoI defeats the purpose of informing by it's sheer size, plus I'm not that bothered and easily bored)

Try maintaining it, it's a swine to keep up with.
Hence why for readers, I've taken an idea I've seen elsewhere on the forums and sorted it into sections with "spoiler" tags.
So people can go to the part they want and not have to scroll through stuff they don't need.

I've updated the link in my sig to goto the new version. Feel free to have a quick look and leave some feedback in the thread, thanks

 

[Dietger]

Riding a dead horse? Be agile.

Dismount.

 

[Roybe]

Still like the logic that Open is dead because everyone plays in Solo and Private...but the devs have clearly stated that the majority of people play in Open! Also, if this is the case..what's the real point of PPOO?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Still like the logic that Open is dead because everyone plays in Solo and Private...but the devs have clearly stated that the majority of people play in Open! Also, if this is the case..what's the real point of PPOO?

People fight in concentrated spots. You're part of a BGS group right? WHen you tried to flip a system. It was a concentrated effort. When that happens it populates people in a specific area.

And that means those are the objectives you fight over. People know where to go.

You can also go to control systems to stop people from handing in merits and so forth. Plus they are adding some sort of missions too.

Really wish you guys would stop reaching. And go play the game. Instead of sitting in solo or private. Or say, "look at me I play in open". But never see anyone cause you "fiddled with your router". Or go exploring in open. Then swap to solo so you dont lose all your data against the "GANK SINGLE PLAYER" Crew.

Im glad the rest of the community is seeing through the nonsense now.

 

[Riverside]

Really wish you guys would stop reaching.

Your post contains considerable hypocrisy Skid, you are the one wanting to force others to play your way or not at all.

Play your own way, let them play theirs. I play in open, I BGS in open, I explore (and return) in open. I spent two months in Colonia over the new year in Open but we have never knowingly met in-game.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Your post contains considerable hypocrisy Skid, you are the one wanting to force others to play your way or not at all.

Play your own way, let them play theirs. I play in open, I BGS in open, I explore (and return) in open. I spent two months in Colonia over the new year in Open but we have never knowingly met in-game.

So if you do it. You wont have a problem if its changed?

The only people against it are the ones that dont want to be stopped or defended against.

Im not the one reaching. Never have.

But there are people that intentionally affect others. Knowing they cant be stopped. So if it doesnt matter to you since you play in open. Where is the hypocrisy? It sure as hell aint coming from me.