The Star Citizen Thread V2.0

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Again, you are comparing 'what is', versus what is proposed, and as far as what is proposed, given it is a completely opaque system you will need to trust CR (good luck with that) and also between now and then prepare yourself for various course changes as we have already seen time and again, course changes generally driven by commercial gain and pandering to the mainstream, many more of whom prefer pve to pvp in this category of games. To test this hypothesis just go take a look at how very few pure play PVP mmos are out there as compared to 'consensual only PvP mmos', a term I hate because it implies pvp without opting in is analogous to a sex crime.

In either case lets look at what is proposed. For all those SC fans talking about the potential 'abuse' of using ED solo mode to build 'advantage', please tell me in the proposed system for the SC PU, What stops me putting the slider up and down at will from one mission to the next? Answer - nothing. Therefore if you are right about this fear, get ready for it to be abused even more in SC land, in fact I can envisage the pvp slider becoming just another variable setting like difficulty with people recommending doing such and such mission on pvp slider setting 'x' and another mission on setting 'y', while best to travel to such and such system on setting 'z', etc etc.

This is one of the many reasons why, if there must be a compromise, a universe in which you are transparently either in or out, with no grays in between, is far superior to this ridiculous slider concept, and the height of immersion breaking gameyness and side stepping the issue that it represents.

I imagine the PvP slider being bound to an axis on the joystick.
 
ooOOOoooOOOoooOOOOooo Thank you! I'll be checking this out for sure. That would be awesome to spend time (and brain activity) in a game like this. I need more balance. With the rl news this week in the US, sometimes you just want to get lost in something non-threatening for a minute. RIP, James Foley. :smilie:

Aye, a shout for Michael Brown and Kajieme Powell as well. Stupidity from militants both sides of the world.
 
Sorry, after reading the article I take my prior comment of minor optimism back. It's the usual disingenuous CR trying to keep everybody happy nonsense.

Look at this for instance.

"There are also some additional head look modes that haven’t been implemented yet that will allow a joystick player to take advantage of the gimbaled weapons the way the mouse player can. And of course if you feel the mouse, with its greater precision allows for better aiming you could always fly the ship with a joystick and look with a mouse!"


Let's break it down.

"There are also some additional head look modes that haven’t been implemented yet that will allow a joystick player to take advantage of the gimbaled weapons the way the mouse player can.


This is lies or stupidity, one or the other. State-of-the-art Military grade iris tracking might match zero order mouse, head tracking as afforded by Track IR etc never will.

"And of course if you feel the mouse, with its greater precision allows for better aiming....


What he is disingenuously side stepping here is that mouse does not allow for greater precision of aiming unless you stupidly implement it as a zero order controller. Hence what he should have written is...

"And of course if you feel the mouse, with its greater precision in the way we have stupidly implemented it as a zero order controller allows for better aiming....

And finally, when you review the sentence as a whole you decern a petulant defensive challenge and a complete failure to understand the point of HOTAS and why people use joysticks in the first place. Look...

And of course if you feel the mouse, with its greater precision (thanks to the way we have stupidly implemented it) allows for better aiming you could always fly the ship with a joystick and look with a mouse!"


What planet does this guy live on, or more to the point think we live on?

Then again, could it be this is the head look mode he's hoping for joystick users to accept?

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It's going to be CoD in space, lets face it. Any hope for a proper flight/combat controller system is diminishing very quickly to zero (zero-order?).

Controller agnostic? Absolutely, in the literal sense of the word 'agnostic' - i.e. no knowledge, understanding or skill required.

The only thing left for us is the other aspects of the game (not too much for me really, perhaps SQ42 will have a compelling storyline?), which may or may not prove to be fun to play - but the space flight part is gonna suck for those of us who wanted what was originally promised.

Big upside-down mouth here :( :( :(
 
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Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Not to sound cold hearted, but this is a Star Citizen discussion thread, not a place to discuss the news of the day. If you want to talk about that you can make a thread in Off-Topic.

Please remain On-Topic here.
 

Bains

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It's going to be CoD in space, lets face it. Any hope for a proper flight/combat controller system is diminishing very quickly to zero (zero-order?).

Controller agnostic? Absolutely, in the literal sense of the word 'agnostic' - i.e. no knowledge, understanding or skill required.

The only thing left for us is the other aspects of the game (not too much for me really, perhaps SQ42 will have a compelling storyline?), which may or may not prove to be fun to play - but the space flight part is gonna suck for those of us who wanted what was originally promised.

Big upside-down mouth here :( :( :(

Yes, I think the law of diminishing returns is beginning to apply.
 
How will mouse + joystick will even work o_O??? maybe Xbox360 controller plus mouse is better?

Joystick and keyboard would have been a much more reasonable choice
 
I appreciate for some these is very little difference between a game with a flight model and the Secret of Monkey Island. Another example of ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Point and click adventure in space sounds fun :D

Seriously I do hope since they are going to have FPS parts at least do the BF4 thing, where you can go on foot with KB/mouse and use a vehicle with joystick/controller
 

Bains

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Out of interest, how would you feel if CR released this as a screenshot of the new 'strategy module'?.

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Conflicted at least? I'd like to think so.
 
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Not to sound cold hearted, but this is a Star Citizen discussion thread, not a place to discuss the news of the day. If you want to talk about that you can make a thread in Off-Topic.

Please remain On-Topic here.

Yes, I know. Forgive me.
 

psyron

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So they blame the game magazins that they only talk about the amount of money SC have commulated so far BUT how does the last "Around the Verse" starts?!?

You guess it! Talking about money again!!! That gets so tired ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn8qKAV2ATA

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Btw, why do people working at CIG look all so ... so ... FAT! Even CR seems to have collected some additional pounds!
Sorry but as a german i am not used this. ;)
 
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Their weight isn't really a factor in how they make games or a fit area of discussion, but honestly, a sizable percentage of the general adult population in the US, and the UK squeeze into the obese category to one extent or another, with far more overweight, so you'd expect to see some large individuals in most workplaces.
 
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