Yeah well, i'm not that unconditional. I will settle for less.
Erimus and Dr. Kaii "had me at hello".
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Yeah well, i'm not that unconditional. I will settle for less.
Erimus and Dr. Kaii "had me at hello".
Yeah well, i'm not that unconditional. I will settle for less.
Erimus and Dr. Kaii "had me at hello".
Yea i got that from your previous posting. While i do respect your opinion and while i just posted my opinion and nothing more, i also believe that we must respect what the organizers want and they do seem to want something different to happen and ground braking, while i also do believe that they have the recipe in their hands to make this happen. So i am on their side on this.
Seconded.
Thirded.
We've just done that, on DECE, although one's definition of a mass expedition is subjective - there aren't 3000 of us, and there seem to be far fewer finishing than started.
That's just the thing, though. We can all go to Beagle Point and back. We can do another circumnavigation. It'll all be fun, and I'd be up for it any time (after a few weeks breather in the Bubble).
It wouldn't be Distant Worlds II though.
Yeah, for a long time now expeditions have been --for lack of better opportunities-- the same product, with a different label slapped on it.
Dr Kaii and Erimus totally respect you want it to be something different. And thankyou to you and all the organisers for your efforts.
I hope FD can enable it to happen.
But I'd be happily coming along even if it was just a DW1 rerun as it is really the community that makes it for me. If it doesn't run I'll be looking for another expedition to sign up to
I hope FD can enable it to happen.
But I'd be happily coming along even if it was just a DW1 rerun as it is really the community that makes it for me. If it doesn't run I'll be looking for another expedition to sign up to
That's what I like about you Qohen, you're straight to the point. You summed up in once sentence what took me an essay to express
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That's what I like about you Qohen, you're straight to the point. You summed up in once sentence what took me an essay to express
If nothing else, leverage the size of the event so that participants get a special Qohen Leth livery for the ships they went along with.
Then need to step up from the decal anyway, make it a skin!
Otherwise +1 to those who'd go along if it was a boggo standard expedition. Q4 update has lost its biggest plus for me anyway, the upgraded ice worlds... I restrained myself from exploring since a while, and will keep it that way, so by the time DW2 leaves, I will be ready.
I did envision a DW2 livery contest, but having not received a reply to my email about the decal for months, I gave up on the idea.
Given the expansion of community managers' headcount, to be honest... I deleted the rest.
Let's not forget to consider things from FD's perspective though. I'll assume the proposals you sent them are the same as detailed in the first post here. In that case, you're asking for quite a lot from them, and they must have a dilemma: if they do give all, or some, of it to the expedition, what will they do when others will inevitably ask the same as well? Where would they draw the line of granting the requests or not? So far, Community Goals and megaships have been for player factions, and as far as I know, there's a rather large queue for them. (For the requested CGs and megaships, that is.) The factions can do nothing but wait patiently, but you're applying some pressure on FD. So it's not exactly an easy decision for them.
Add to this that many players would likely oppose building stuff at Sagittarius A* and probably Beagle Point, then they'd have to add a viable way of opposing the CGs, which could easily lead to a lot of drama.
The benefit of it all for FD would be basically a prolonged marketing campaign that's mostly organised by the players, with unique content provided for them by FD. At first, that does sound like it has a lot of potential, but consider how the Salomé event turned out. That's an excellent argument against having players be in charge of organising opposing goals. Is the risk of it all going down in flames worth the potential marketing benefit? (Then there's also the cost to consider.)
Of course, they could just make it so there's no way of opposing the DW2 CGs. Some people will be upset, but that probably won't last long. Then we again come back to the question of where to draw the line for future expeditions: who else can or can't request similar stuff, far away from the bubble?
Finally, add to all this that the resources spent on providing content and support for the DW2 expedition will have to be moved from elsewhere, which complicates things even further. Considering all this, it's little wonder that FD haven't given an answer yet.
Add to this that many players would likely oppose building stuff at Sagittarius A* and probably Beagle Point, then they'd have to add a viable way of opposing the CGs, which could easily lead to a lot of drama.
The benefit of it all for FD would be basically a prolonged marketing campaign that's mostly organised by the players, with unique content provided for them by FD. At first, that does sound like it has a lot of potential, but consider how the Salomé event turned out. That's an excellent argument against having players be in charge of organising opposing goals. Is the risk of it all going down in flames worth the potential marketing benefit? (Then there's also the cost to consider.)
Of course, they could just make it so there's no way of opposing the DW2 CGs. Some people will be upset, but that probably won't last long. Then we again come back to the question of where to draw the line for future expeditions: who else can or can't request similar stuff, far away from the bubble?
Finally, add to all this that the resources spent on providing content and support for the DW2 expedition will have to be moved from elsewhere, which complicates things even further. Considering all this, it's little wonder that FD haven't given an answer yet.
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I don't agree with any of this. Other events have been given major community-goals to build things out in deep space already and some have been given the use of megaships. Some groups have been given both a megaship and their own bases too!! Frontier set the precedent for this a long time ago. If any event deserves some help that other events and groups have enjoyed already, then its about time it was an exploration event. You only have to look at how many exploration events there's been since Horizons and you're hard pressed to find anything frontier have done to make them any different from each other. Distant World [the first one] brought a lot of great publicity to elite in the gaming press, and dw2 is set to be even larger than that, probably the biggest event elite will ever see. So again, if any event deserves some help that other events have had already, then surely its the biggest event of all that should be next in line? From reading the op dw2 isn't asking for anything that isn't already in the game anyway, so i'm not sure if your argument for resources spent on providing content and support for the DW2 expedition being moved from elsewhere is valid.
+1 Faith in this exploration forum restored
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Mind giving me the examples? As far as I know, the only player-CG deep space builds I know of were some of the stations (bases, etc) on the Colonia highway, and the only PMF megaship that ever left the bubble was the Gnosis. Neither of which are on any scale approaching what the DW2 proposals request, especially since they were one-off events, not a series of community goals over a span of months.
Content has to be set up, and when you're talking about something this long and complex, support will become a necessity. You can't realistically expect there not to be any problems.
Of course, how much both would cost FD is up to them to estimate, and not us. We don't know if it would be a little or a lot.
Still, my main point was that the whole thing is not a simple question, so it should be no surprise that FD didn't reach a decision quickly.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteCG/comments/6ynqmg/third_chapterhouse_appeal/
Yep, exactly those. Building starports along the colonia route. 3 or 4 CGs as far as I remember. dw2 has only asked for 2. Unless something has changed dw2s are one off events too, not spread out over many months as you claim. The way I read it, the expedition is spread out over many months but the Cgs themselves are only a week each, one when the fleet reached the galactic core and one when it reaches beagle.
Ok you have a valid point here. Another thing we don't know is if fd even want to support another event after the gnosis fiasco. That brought them a lot of negativity so they may decide not to bother again. I hope thats not the case though but I can understand why they may not want to get involved anymore.
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My bad, I assumed that the megaship jumps would have their own mini-CGs too, but looking at it again, that doesn't seem to be in this proposal. That's two construction CGs for DW2 then, in two iconic places which are more problematic than the bubble stuff, and far away from anything else.
The three CG outposts among the Colonia route weren't pioneering deep space places though, as the original bases along the route were already there. I take it you have no more examples, and no more deep space megaships examples either? (Even the Gnosis is debatable.)
The point on these still stands though: it is not a simple matter for FD, because if they grant these requests, they'll also have to decide where to draw the line for similar requests in the future. Would be better to have an in-game system for such stuff than to GM stuff manually, really.
The three CG outposts among the Colonia route weren't pioneering deep space places though, as the original bases along the route were already there. I take it you have no more examples, and no more deep space megaships examples either? (Even the Gnosis is debatable.)
The point on these still stands though: it is not a simple matter for FD, because if they grant these requests, they'll also have to decide where to draw the line for similar requests in the future. Would be better to have an in-game system for such stuff than to GM stuff manually, really.
Regardless of where they do decide to draw the line, anyone would be hard-pressed to argue why Distant Worlds wouldn't be on the right side of said line. I missed the first one but have heard so many stories and its impact is so clearly still felt among the playerbase, with so many CMDRs saying it was their best experience in Elite, and some saying it was their best gaming experience, period.
I will be going along for the ride regardless, but I fully support the organisers in pushing the boundaries and making Distant Worlds another historic event in Elite Dangerous and not just another half-decent sequal. Frontier may not be able to give us the sun and moon (pun intended), but they would be absolutely crazy not to do their best to facilititate this.
The rules for the current "submit a CG" prevent the addition of dockable outposts to uninhabited systems, so arguably they've already drawn the line.
The Colonia route CGs - submitted under the previous system where it wasn't explicitly disallowed - I suspect were only accepted because they wanted to add some more stations to that route anyway.
Definitely agreed in principle ... though as the station repairs and the Colonia engineers are showing, balancing that stuff given that potential participant numbers could vary across four orders of magnitude is basically impossible.
Mhm. I just said this to support my argument that it's not a simple matter to decide, there are matters to be weighed.
By the way, I never argued against the proposed stuff - except for building anything at Sagittarius A*, that is. I'd oppose that.
Ah. I didn't notice that. Well, in that case it's safer to assume that the construction goals are out, unless FD decide to make an exception. Which might not be a good idea.
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