Without a majority of casuals would games even be financially viable? without them there probably wouldn't be sufficient profit to make development worthwhile.
This game has become to complex (to use).
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Without a majority of casuals would games even be financially viable? without them there probably wouldn't be sufficient profit to make development worthwhile.
Bless you and your wee elitists ways.
I like the complexity!
I want there to be lots of modules and trade offs and settings to twiddle with.
I agree though that the interface for all that should be made better - especially in relation to the beta where things have hit a bit of a tipping point I feel.
I also think some things need to be reworked like limpet controllers (that's as much gameplay as control streamlining though, I still want module based specialisation) and standardising on a slots/bays and ammo type approach (SLF have bays each with an effective ammo count, SRV are bays but no ammo (so you just get that srv in the bay), limpets use your cargo space??)..
That's me though..
I want there to be lots of modules and trade offs and settings to twiddle with.
I agree though that the interface for all that should be made better - especially in relation to the beta where things have hit a bit of a tipping point I feel.
I also think some things need to be reworked like limpet controllers (that's as much gameplay as control streamlining though, I still want module based specialisation) and standardising on a slots/bays and ammo type approach (SLF have bays each with an effective ammo count, SRV are bays but no ammo (so you just get that srv in the bay), limpets use your cargo space??)..
That's me though..
There can be done lot of streamlining (Limpets unified controller, stackable scanners). However I doubt ED will become less complex. It is just not that kind of game.
Youtube, 3rd party and forum is NOT necessary.
It's how people are nowadays I don't blame em but its a trend especially with the kids.
Somehow alot have lost interest in discovering things for themselfs. IRL and Online.
Can you imagine how lazy kids/everyone will be in 10-20 yrs.
This, game is starting to feel 'clunky'.
You have a lot of hate for people.
Are these real gamers?
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I'm sad that you hate me.
They're big changes and will take some getting used to. Some of the issues brought up by people are worthy of attention and hopefully they can simplify some processes without making them simplistic.
It just goes to show that when gamers say "I want more depth, I want more tools, I want more complexity" many of them don't really have a clue what this means or how they'd go about implementing it in practice because when presented with it they then claim its too complicated. Personally I don't really buy this, it's just a learning curve that most people doing exploration and mining have to learn. Combat to me is 'complex'. There's so many possibilities of builds and weapons and engineered mods and that's before you get into getting good at flying a ship and using FA off etc.. That is way more complex. Exploration and mining is not *that* complex. A bit clunky - yes.
It just goes to show that when gamers say "I want more depth, I want more tools, I want more complexity" many of them don't really have a clue what this means or how they'd go about implementing it in practice because when presented with it they then claim its too complicated. Personally I don't really buy this, it's just a learning curve that most people doing exploration and mining have to learn. Combat to me is 'complex'. There's so many possibilities of builds and weapons and engineered mods and that's before you get into getting good at flying a ship and using FA off etc.. That is way more complex. Exploration and mining is not *that* complex. A bit clunky - yes.
Great isn't it!
No pandering to the lowest common denominator in computer games. Elite takes time an effort to master. If you don't want to take that time, go play something easier. Me, I like the complexity.
No pandering to the lowest common denominator in computer games. Elite takes time an effort to master. If you don't want to take that time, go play something easier. Me, I like the complexity.
After checking out the ED beta, i have been playing DCS. The su25t is childs play compared to my ED corvette
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For me this so true, I don't have a problem with the game being complex or a changle to lean, and even though I poked some fun at people using the term real gamers, (and yes I have sat up till the early hours waiting for a raid to start as a lot of the corp was US based only to find it didn't happen, thankfully sofa’s are long enough for me to sleep on.) This game is not in general aimed at the casual gamer. Saying that I always thought those who played games on consoles were casual gamers (I know this is not true one of the youtubers I watch often runs 8 hour missions in Warframe on the PS4)
But with the addition of even more keybinds, cockpit modes, etc its becoming a slog just to get things moving even before you get to where you are going. I like a lot of what's come into the game with beyond in terms of what it brings to the game overall, I don't however like its design in terms of user experience.
So we have core improvements be nice to have some streamlining for those of us who prefer not to have a PHD in Quantum physics and like to lord it over the peasants on the forums. My degree was in Graphic Design, I'm better with thinking something into being, than adding long lines of numbers together.
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Generally agree with this. The best games aren't weighed down by overly convoluted and complex systems. They're simple and enjoyable. I think this kind of highlights the issue with FDev. They're good at beautiful graphics, ship design, sound design is superb, intricate abd complex systems etc...but they struggle to make an enjoyable game.
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whilst i dont agree with your definition of core, you are right on this.... complex is great... clunky however isnt, and imo the number of different fire groups we need to assign is clunky not complex.
I think i get why FD did it, so that it keeps those on a 2 button mouse or a single control pad happy.................................. but my view is the game should not be held hostage to those on the minimal control set.
sure, keep the current modes as options for those who cant do any better but imo let us unlock the potential of our gear if we have it.... (and then FGS protect our controls once made. i will happily dedicate 5 hrs into getting a good control method..... but if i do that it is vital it does not get lost.
Depends on the type of game. If you spend 40 million on marketing like CoD the game needs to be casual, otherwise the audience is too small. If you create a niche game for a formerly dead genre it doesn't.
I disagree here enjoyable is obviously subjective, however i dont want ED to be simple. .... i want it to be complex in terms of the stuff i do, however i want it to be logical and i want the UI to be intuitive.
obviously the more complex the game the harder it gets to make an intutitve UI.
look at it this way.
take golf..... conceptually it is easy, take a stick and hit a ball in a hole in as few goes as possible.
but i do not think anyone would suggest it is simple....... just think how complex it is, having to think about wind velocity, length of grass, positions of trees and bunkers, and then slopes and divots etc.... and then you have to choose the right club for the right shot
and yet golf is a really intuitive game.
in the context of elite.....
i want to manage power levels of my ship
i want to manage heat
i want flying my ship to be a challenge and if i screw up i want to pay for it (way more so than it is now)
if my ship is getting mullered i want to have to make a call on when to call it a day and either run or eject
i want to have to understand my sensors to find cool stuff, not sit and wait for cool stuff to spawn in front of me (improvements coming on that)
BUT
I dont want to spend precsious seconds working out HOW i eject from my ship
i dont want to get angry because i know i want to scan a planet but i cant find the damn option to turn on the scanner.
TLDR i want it to be a challenge to figure out what i need to do sometimes, i want it to be a challenge to do stuff well....
I DONT want it to be a challenge to figure out how to turn on the scanner or to arm the probe, ot to select the weapon before i begin do what i want to do, if that makes sense.
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