UI Hell in 3.3

[zarrazee]

OP. I imagine when faced with a list of 1000+ fixes, a couple of colour UI inconsistencies slip through the net, or are put on low priority.

 

[Arthur Z.]

What do you mean "UI elements are not adhering"? That part of the UI is supposed to be BLUE since you are in discovery mode. Look at your shield rings, they are also orange. So you have a scheme that turns orange to blue and blue to orange, works as expected.

 

[Old Duck]

It's a tolerated modification and not supported in any way.

Agreed, because if it were officially supported, it would be in the game's settings (and we console players might even have access to it).

 

[MuttsNuts]

All it indicates is poor coding standards to be honest.

 

[Askorti]

On the first screen the part you circled is orange because by default, in unmodded game it's blue. It is not meant to be the same color as the rest of the UI. It's not a mistake on the part of FDev, it's your lack of understanding of how the recoloring works.

 

[Arthur Z.]

On the first screen the part you circled is orange because by default, in unmodded game it's blue. It is not meant to be the same color as the rest of the UI. It's not a mistake on the part of FDev, it's your lack of understanding of how the recoloring works.

It's the same situation in the second screenshot.

 

[thistle]

It just blows my mind that you good folks are even arguing against me. Forget about whether this is supported or not, either way it's a mess in the current state. Can we not agree upon that at least?

No.

 

[babelfisch]

On the first screen the part you circled is orange because by default, in unmodded game it's blue. It is not meant to be the same color as the rest of the UI. It's not a mistake on the part of FDev, it's your lack of understanding of how the recoloring works.

LOL, funny that nobody realised it while everyone was arguing if modding a file is a mod or not.

 

[Braandlin]

The UI in 3.3 is distinctly lacking quality control.

Example 1: https://i.imgur.com/yuiX2Qd.jpg
UI elements are not adhering to global color override

Example 2: https://i.imgur.com/rJigEEb.jpg
Again, most of the FSS is not adhering to color override, perhaps worse is UI elements covered by other UI elements.

I'm pretty sure this was reported during the beta and I am quite disappointed this hasn't been fixed before release.

Thank You

So, you use workaround to manually edit your UI colours which is NOT supported by frintier, and you now have new game features that do not comply to that change, and somehow this is HELL?

I think you need some perspective

Also, it looks like it is working perfectly correctly to me.

 

[Braandlin]

It's not modding, it's an "officially" supported way of changing HUD colors for people who are colorbind and/or object to orange. And again, I repeat the message, if you are going to allow people to modify HUD colors, change them all, not just some random elements. Change them all or none at all.

No it isn't, nor has it ever been.

 

[Arthur Z.]

IT WORKS AS EXPECTED!

Omg! Just read above! I already said that OP has an inverted color scheme. All his screenshots point to UI elements that should be blue by default. But due to his color scheme, they are now orange (same as his shield rings).

 

[Komemiute]

What I am saying is factually correct, with screenshot evidence. I agree with you that there should be a proper in-game method of changing colors but that is for a different discussion.

It's not a "hack" or a "mod".. It's clearly an intentional design decision written into the code to read that file if it exists. It may not be supported, but at some point during development there was an intentional effort to check for the existence of the override file, read it, and adhere to the policy defined within.

Nope. It's an unsupported modification.

 

[Jmanis]

It's not a "hack" or a "mod".. It's clearly an intentional design decision written into the code to read that file if it exists. It may not be supported, but at some point during development there was an intentional effort to check for the existence of the override file, read it, and adhere to the policy defined within.

It may be entirely intentional to include a folder where overrides get put. In that way, FD can rapidly roll out rapid hotfixes if required, or offer alternate arrangements if something in the game's code breaks a particular hardware/software configuration.

It's almost certainly not intended for users to go ahead and do whatever the heck they want with it, and is most definitely "hacking" or "modding" the game. FD just tolerate it because it's a harmless effect that actually provides some benefit to the player, but is most definitely a condition which FD could turn around and say "This is no longer permitted" i.e this bit of the EULA:

12.4 If we fail to insist that you perform any of your obligations under this EULA, or if we do not enforce our rights against you, or if we delay in doing so, that will not mean that we have waived our rights against you and will not mean that you do not have to comply with those obligations.

Also from the EULA:

You are not permitted:
(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA and to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law, to rent, lease, sub-license, loan, exploit for profit or gain, copy, modify, adapt, merge, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or create derivative works based on the whole or any part of the Game or use, reproduce, distribute, translate, broadcast, publicly perform, store in a retrieval system or otherwise deal in the Game or any part thereof in any way;

And boiling it down to the key parts:

(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA ... modify, ... or create derivative works based on the whole or any part of the Game or use, reproduce, ...or otherwise deal in the Game or any part thereof in any way;

Almost certainly a modified colour scheme is a derivative work based on part of the game, as you're taking the existing colour configuration data and changing it. If you can tell me the part of the EULA that expressly permits this, by all means do so.

Otherwise, changing the colour shcemes is not intended or supported use of the game... FD just don't actively prevent it.

 

[sollisb]

You've modded the game. Don't complain about QC.

That is single most funniest thing I've read today!!

The bit about there being any QC I mean...

As for modding the game? Which part did he modify? The game executable? The memory? The Net Encryption stack? Oh! You mean the configuration file!!

Let me educate you... Configuration allows you to 'configure' things the way you might like.

Modded the game... Lmao

 

[babelfisch]

That is single most funniest thing I've read today!!

The bit about there being any QC I mean...

As for modding the game? Which part did he modify? The game executable? The memory? The Net Encryption stack? Oh! You mean the configuration file!!

Let me educate you... Configuration allows you to 'configure' things the way you might like.

Modded the game... Lmao

Sorry but that's the correct term.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

LOL, funny that nobody realised it while everyone was arguing if modding a file is a mod or not.

Especially funny because he could have made the same point in the OP if he just would have reset to the default colors for his screenshots.

Now everybody is going to complain that he modded the game instead. [haha]

 

[Vandaahl]

Let me educate you... Configuration allows you to 'configure' things the way you might like.

No, unless FD officially provided it to the users as the means to change the hud color, but they never did. He made use of an undocumented feature. Try to do with any API and you on your own, at best.

 

[sollisb]

It may be entirely intentional to include a folder where overrides get put. In that way, FD can rapidly roll out rapid hotfixes if required, or offer alternate arrangements if something in the game's code breaks a particular hardware/software configuration.

It's almost certainly not intended for users to go ahead and do whatever the heck they want with it, and is most definitely "hacking" or "modding" the game. FD just tolerate it because it's a harmless effect that actually provides some benefit to the player, but is most definitely a condition which FD could turn around and say "This is no longer permitted" i.e this bit of the EULA:




Also from the EULA:


And boiling it down to the key parts:


Almost certainly a modified colour scheme is a derivative work based on part of the game, as you're taking the existing colour configuration data and changing it. If you can tell me the part of the EULA that expressly permits this, by all means do so.

Otherwise, changing the colour shcemes is not intended or supported use of the game... FD just don't actively prevent it.

What a load of drivel!

In the history of Elite, FD have never once rolled a 'hotfix' that was nothing more than a config file. lols
It is absolutely to allow players to configure the system in a way that best suits them. That's why the settings are in a file in the first place!!!

Finally, what it demonstrates is that FD have code that does use those settings and other code which doesn't use those settings, which from a development point of view is not a good idea.

'A modified colour scheme is a derivative work'? Which law school did you go to?

If anyone, anyone had a derivative of Elite Dangerous as you claim they'd find their backside in court so fast. Thousands of players have modified that file, and to the best of my knowledge, no-one has yet been brought to court. So please less of the 'I pulled this law out of my bottom' type stuff.

The 'only' thing you got right was the bit about FD not having to support it.

It was funny tho, gave me a great laugh.

 

[khaos526]

So without the logistics of this. I noticed the stupid orange issue as well with my color scheme. As someone else mentioned, I am thinking there has to be another palate or another part of the same palate that you would need to update. I haven't looked into it and will just wait till something else happens.

I'm surprised though that FD hasn't just capitalized on this and put a color scheme tool in the Frontier Store that allows you to do this. Figure they could make some good quick money having this option available.

Until then, yes it's not an FD issue because that orange matches with the crappy orange that is the default color for everyone. It's up to us, not them, to figure out the HUD palate for the new part of the HUD...

 

[sollisb]

No, unless FD officially provided it to the users as the means to change the hud color, but they never did. He made use of an undocumented feature. Try to do with any API and you on your own, at best.

I agree he is on his own.. But calling it a 'derivative work' or a 'modded' version is plain dumb.

Edit: EDProfiler is the standard app of choice for changing this, and that appears on every list of must have tools I can find. While not 'officially' support by FDev as an application it has never been said that it was a 'no no'