Really, people are tagging first discovered just by honking!

You want to know what else don't hold up to scrutiny? Arguing vehemently against a game mechanic you've never even spent one second playing yet. :cool:

Except it plays very similar to the pre-beta live-streams, and after having played it for quite some time, I still have the same overall issues with it that I thought I would.
 
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Be fair i have seen it. I have watched the youtube influencers try to sell it. I just dont like it. How long should i be forced to play it before im allowed to hold an opinion?

I cant face binding all those keys for something i dont like
 
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I've scanned and sold 30 Mil since release...

I've spent a few seconds

I'm now pretty much just resigned to honk and go auto tagging rather than stop and use FSS

At least if I could open the system map like before, I might decide to stop and use the FSS

I'd give up auto-tagging for that

The stomp your feet, "You can't do that" crowd just can't let go of the notion that I should be forced to play it their way, when player choice is an obvious possibility that hurts no one.
 
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I've never argued for auto-tagging stars, so you can ask Frontier to remove it for all I care.

Unfortunately, and perhaps they're right in general, Frontier seems to assume players want that sort of thing, assured credits and recognition. I'd rather be more selective about it, needing to at least target stuff, either on the navigation panel, system map, in the FSS, or on the HUD when within range.
 
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The credits are a bribe if you ask me. I notice the Imperial slave market is not doing so well these days aswell. Either there is some mass trading going or thats been profit nerfed :(
 
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Except it plays very similar to the pre-beta live-streams, and after having played it for quite some time, I still have the same overall issues with it that I thought I would.

I wasn’t so sure about the new mechanics from the previews, it wasn’t until beta where I got the chance to get my hands on it that I changed my tune and believed it was a vast improvement. Especially after a couple dozen systems, and particularly once I took the time to find a keybind setup which felt comfortable to me. The more I used the new mechanics the more I liked them.

Experiencing something in person is often very different than simply reading about it or watching a youtube video.
 
I wasn’t so sure about the new mechanics from the previews, it wasn’t until beta where I got the chance to get my hands on it that I changed my tune and believed it was a vast improvement. Especially after a couple dozen systems, and particularly once I took the time to find a keybind setup which felt comfortable to me. The more I used the new mechanics the more I liked them.

Experiencing something in person is often very different than simply reading about it or watching a youtube video.

Indeed it is. I remained hopeful before the beta. Got increasingly worried during it. Was determined to test it all during a 2 month trip. Until yesterday.

When I had a 'what the hell am I doing' moment. Why delay the inevitable and torture myself on the diminishing hope I'll find a way that suits me.

Just give up and realise: to each their own :)
 
You can put in a ticket for that. I can vouch for it working :) (i made my original accounts name match my forum name). Any previous exploration tags to do not change and stay as they are.
Don't get me wrong, I like the name. I've also used it in the name of all of his ships, and I've no qualms about other players seeing him flying around. There's always been a slight tongue-in-cheek element to the Elite games, to which this plays quite well.

But when it comes to things of permanence, like First Discovered tags, I wanted to limit those to my real name. Partly because I was always "me" when playing the earlier Elite games and it's an homage to that, but also because I know how important a sense of believability is to some players. And obviously comic names popping up on system maps every time they're opened doesn't really fit with that. Now I don't really have a choice. Not the end of the world, but a significant change to the way I personally play when switching between the two accounts.

Personally I think "Discovered by" and "Mapped by" tags of inhabited systems is just ridiculous, unless those systems are populated after they are discovered by a CMDR. Seriously, I'm the first one to discover and map an ELW, just days ago, even though there are billions of people living on it? That's like saying I discovered my home town because I was the first person to install GPS in his car...
The First Discovery is a bug. None of the populated systems should have been open to First Discovery by players. (There are a few populated systems that have legacy First Discovery tags from pre-3.3; I suspect these were the result of oversights when civilised space was being generated for the game's original launch. Certainly there should have been no more systems opened up for discovery after 3.3 dropped).

Which leaves First Mapped, which does have historical precedence of sorts. There were cartographers who First Mapped what would become the UK for invading armies and later for the Crown, surveyors who First Mapped it for the Ordnance Survey, pilots who First Mapped it for Getmapping, drivers who First Mapped it for Google Street View etc.

We're First Mapping planets for Universal Cartographics using a newly available generation of hardware, so it makes sense that their systems would record it. Whether it's realistic for UC to have monopolistic ubiquity across the whole of civilised space is open to debate. But assuming we're happy to accept that, I don't have an issue with them acknowledging the efforts of pilots who are helping them to update their database.
 
I wasn’t so sure about the new mechanics from the previews, it wasn’t until beta where I got the chance to get my hands on it that I changed my tune and believed it was a vast improvement. Especially after a couple dozen systems, and particularly once I took the time to find a keybind setup which felt comfortable to me. The more I used the new mechanics the more I liked them.

Experiencing something in person is often very different than simply reading about it or watching a youtube video.


Don't have to try it to know I'm not gonna like it.
 
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It honks ALL the stars, even the ones 500,000 LS away

Which is actually funny as you are now able to honk and go while "discovering" and planting the first discovery flag on stuff like black holes without even knowing they were there in the first place.
 
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Don't have to try it to know I'm not gonna like it.

Sure, but put yourself in FD's shoes. The response so far has been:

90% of people: "Awesome, exploration is much better/finally exploration is worth it!"
A few older explorers: "I thought it would be crap, but I tried it and it is awesome!"
Some other older explorers:"Not trying it."

There is only one logical thing for FD to do here, and that is to say:"Sorry to hear that, your loss though." I am not saying you're not entitled to feel the way you do, but there is a level of stubbornness where you place yourself outside any future considerations.
 
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Sure, but put yourself in FD's shoes. The response so far has been:

90% of people: "Awesome, exploration is much better/finally exploration is worth it!"
A few older explorers: "I thought it would be crap, but I tried it and it is awesome!"
Some other older explorers:"Not trying it."

There is only one logical thing for FD to do here, and that is to say:"Sorry to hear that, your loss though." I am not saying you're not entitled to feel the way you do, but there is a level of stubbornness where you place yourself outside any future considerations.

My response so far has been:

Has some redeeming aspects and it seems alright for some POI type things, but I'd like an additional option to still pilot my exploration ships around to explore and see what the cosmos have to discover rather than parking my ships and having it done within a static system POV.

Frontier have gotten a lot of similar feedback as mine as well, so there is some hope they may see their way around to us as well. Fingers crossed.
 
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90% of people: "Awesome, exploration is much better/finally exploration is worth it!"
A few older explorers: "I thought it would be crap, but I tried it and it is awesome!"
Some other older explorers:"Not trying it."\
There you have it. No explorer has tried it and didn't like it.
 
It honks ALL the stars, even the ones 500,000 LS away

Yea, but even those stars have already been 'discovered' by virtue of the fact they they are already in the galaxy map before anyone has visited them in person.

And the details tab of a selected star system in the Galaxy Map has always shown *all* stars in a multi-star system (class, luminance, spectral type, etc...) before anyone has ever even visited the system.

So, you were never really 'discovering' those stars in the old system anyway - the tag was really just indicating that your were the first one to successfully scan the star from within the system itself and sell the data. Which is no different to what we have now, except that you don't need to honk for it now.
 
Sure, but put yourself in FD's shoes. The response so far has been:

90% of people: "Awesome, exploration is much better/finally exploration is worth it!

Where is this 90%? Even with the people who only came here to try and stop the old honk coming back 90% is simply fantasy
 
The only difference in methodology from before is that you have to be in analysis mode. Maybe you are having an issue due to assigning multiple things to the same trigger. Try making a firegroup with only your discovery scanner assigned to the trigger, and see if that works. Also, I'm assuming you know this, but since you said "press" I'll just make sure. You have to hold the trigger for a while for the scan to complete. Optionally you can open FSS and honk from there, but if I'm out exploring I will honk the old way while I'm fuel scooping to see if there's actually more bodies than just the star(s) before I stop to open FSS. The annoying part is that you get reset to combat mode every time you log out, so you have to make sure your analysis mode switch is accessible on your HOTAS while you're avoiding running into the star while staying close to fuel scoop and switching modes and honking all at the same time. Really an unnecessary inconvenience. They could/should just let us honk from combat mode like we use to be able to or at the very least let our ship remember that we were in analysis mode when we logged out.

Your correct when you said, separate the trigger's. I had the DSS and the FSS on the same one, works OK now, thanks!
 
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