The Quest To Find Raxxla

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
RadicalxEdward said:
I think we might need to take a small step back here and look at this from the basics.

1. I don’t think there’s going to be literal clues to specific systems like analyzing sonnets or converting letters to numbers, etc. they specifically said there wouldn’t be clues. Besides, player groups like cannon that use visual spectrum analyzers on unknown probes would have found stuff like that long ago. Though this could mean there won’t be additional clues, as in everything needed is already in game. (I sure hope they wouldn’t rely too much on obsolete books and whatnot, but frontier loves making people rely on out of game resources)

2. there’s no point actually putting it in the game if it’s not ever supposed to be found. And without some sign saying “Raxxla” or some indication of a gateway it’s not likely to be found if you can’t actually tell it’s the right place.

3. FD also said “we know WHERE it is.” Not “we know HOW to find it.” Implying it is in a specific location.

4. Based on how old those statements are, it must have been put into the game before any mechanic for moving things relatively automatically like megaships.

5. Whenever it’s referred to literally it’s referred to as a planet. So metaphorical places (ie it’s a journey, state of mind, etc) are less likely.

6. The new discovery tools should be a massive help. I’m at the zurara right now and noticed the human signal doesn’t pop up until you’re within 2-3 ls of the ship but does show up (even outside 1000ls) with the FSS. So anything reasonably recognizable should be much easier to find now that we don’t have to scour planets with our eyes inch by inch to find stuff.

7. When people were finding megaships every other day one of the ways they did it was by determining how far they could get with sub-light engines, so FD does take that sort of thing into account sometimes, and since there are stories going way back of people figuring out where Raxxla is before going back to the bubble and planning to go back, it must be reasonably close (ie, not on the opposite side of the galaxy) although the zurara itself seems further out than it should have been able to get.

8. Last but not least, FD or DB at least seems to have a fascination with Greek mythology. That’s a super broad topic, so while that might be an influence here, it’s next to impossible to work from the mythology to the game. We really have to go from the game to the mythology, which requires a clue, which we likely won’t get. So there’s not much point going in that direction either.

It’s probably more helpful to try and focus on the basics rather than assume every word in the game is a subtle clue. At least that’s what I’m trying to do.
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Repped for well thought out & presented discussion, although your comment about the siting of Zurara doesn’t hang together as she (& the other Dynasty ships) had ftl drives, although probbaly lower range than current drives- the logs talk about lights in Witchspace.

Moreover can we please keep FRift and Zurara-related posts in the Alien archeology thread since that is the spritual succesor to the Formidine Rift thread. Posting them here just adds to the Raxxla Quest confusion.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
CMDR Hagglebeard said:
1) That's plain wrong. Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars is a DEFINITE reference to a real-world set of sonnets, and the clues found there have led us from Zeta Cassiopeiae, to NGC 7822, to Heart and Soul. There is absolutely clues and a path. I think by clues, they meant easy help from the devs in case we fail, pick-me-ups, freebies, etc.

5) if you read the Raxxla Codex article, it says "...The earliest documented stories tend to agree on several points, however: that Raxxla is a definite place, and that it holds a mythical secret."

I'm taking everything in the Codex to be law. I just don't have enough to go on, otherwise, and our search has borne fruit.

7) I also believe Raxxla is within close range of the Bubble, but I don't think all of the clues to it have to be in the bubble as well.

8) We have the Omphalos Rift, Delphi, Cassiopeia/Andromeda so far, and we've used those hints to get us to where we are so far. There are a lot of possible leads to investigate, even now. Greek mythology is huge, but we need only to investigate those parts of it which have some link to Raxxla, such as the more obvious "Mother of Galaxies" (Cassiopeiae).

Sorry man, I totally disagree with you. Read from page 303, CMDR Guru's comment. He's kicking with it, I'm just trying to begin where he's left off.
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Point of Order!
Yes, there is a Codex reference to a set of sonnets, but the name in the Codex is slightly different from the real set of sonnets. Anything beyond that is hypothetical. You are assuming the sonnets contain a set of clues and interpreting them, this does not prove they do contain clues, nor that the interpretations are correct. You may be correct, you may not. There is plenty of room in this thread for other interpretations.

edit: not getting at you personally; I also think there are clues in the Astrophil sonnets, just I have a very different interpretation. ;)
 
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CyberTribe

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Jorki Rasalas said:
Point of Order!
Yes, there is a Codex reference to a set of sonnets, but the name in the Codex is slightly different from the real set of sonnets. Anything beyond that is hypothetical. You are assuming the sonnets contain a set of clues and interpreting them, this does not prove they do contain clues, nor that the interpretations are correct. You may be correct, you may not. There is plenty of room in this thread for other interpretations.
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Well, "Spiralling stars" in "Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars" could as well be a link to WR104, which is literally known as spiralling stars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WR_104)
Do we have that one in Elite? Google didn't return exact result, and can't look ingame right now.
As for Astrophell part, there's not only that "Astrophel and Stella" sonnet sequence, but also a poem, called Astrophel, which was written as a tribute to the name of Philip Sidney (author of Astrophel and Stella).

Not that it gets us any closer, need to read through that Astrophel thing and look for connections.

As a side note: looking through eagle nebula - those F-stars look strange, i'll try to convert them in 11 plains with stars marked, could be some kind of a pointer. Raxxla is 100% not there, as they are well scanned already, still a nice place to visit, with bio-sygnals on some planets, and crystalls in space.
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
SpocksOddSocks said:
I'm not mad. At least twelve of me will vouch for my sanity...
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Are they the ones that coerced you into signing up for DW2? :rolleyes:


I have no such excuse; I admit it, space madness has got to me. But I’ll be alright, I have a pet Guardian to keep me company out in the cold dark black. I keep him in a cupboard in the cockpit & call him Herbert, he just looks like a well-stuffed parrot. Which reminds me, where did the ship’s cat get to? [where is it][where is it]
 
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Nerix

Nerix
RadicalxEdward said:
I’ve gone through a ton of this thread, but 300+ pages is a lot and it seems like more potential clues have been discussed in the latter pages. Is there a more recent summary or can someone who’s been following for a long time post a kind of summary of current info from this thread if they’re willing?
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That'd be great. Would like to pick up and contribute, really enjoy exploring currently. But too much loose ends, completely lost where to start and what are the major findings/clues so far.
 

KeyboardNinja27

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Hi, I am CMDR KeyboardNinja27 and I would like to join the search.
So far I've read a portion of the thread. However, it is taking a while.
How can I be of service?
 

Spaceman Si

Spaceman Si
Scytale said:
Imho, first resolve the 'tiny bit obvious' part. Find TrDW 'non emissive' station. (The Codex says how to achieve it.)
Then Astrophel may help, (but only our excellent English-speaker fellow players).
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I haven't really bothered with the Codex, it doesn't serve the purpose I originally thought it might, so I've not read how it says how to find the dark station - I'm away from my gaming rig for a few days, would someone mind posting the section where it does this please?

And really Scytale, if English is not your first language, then you could have fooled me, it is impeccable! :) Astrophel is written in 16th Century poetic style, and not an easy read. It's a bit like reading Shakespeare and needing to understand vernacular speech, the history if the times, and some myth and legend as well. Not straightforward, and a challenge for even English literature students, I would say :)
 

Scytale

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Thx Si, you are so kind. [yesnod]
Now, the wiki: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Wheel

"The Codex provides a clue on how to join: "It is futile to attempt to contact the Dark Wheel of one's own initiative. However - it is they who always initiate contact, initially in disguise, revealing their true identity once a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administered, and passed.

Seems clear that you have to achieve some kind of rep and/or rank. [I]Personal journey ? [/I]Now this: The Codex tells our Anglo-Saxon friends to search for Raxxla [I]on the front of the...etc, [/I]Our German friends[I] in der Stirn. [/I]Portughese[I]: na fronte. [/I]French[I]: sur le front. [/I]All meaning the same, very poetic but definitly not very usefull. But our Spaniards friends are sent looking for Raxxla [I]en [B]la cima[/B][/I] de la ... Which is not poetic at all but very specific. Just sayin'.
 
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Rochester

Rochester
Just pondering on the issue surrounding the Sonnets which I haven't really given much attention until now, but what if its being read too literally?

The toast could simply point towards an area (H&S?), and yes maybe the Sonnets are a road map...

However (and stop me if this has been covered before) the names are derived from the Greek language. Is it plausible the sonnets could also reference Homers Odyssey. There are 108 sonnets.

In the Odyssey there were 108 suitors of Penelope. These suitors could be the 'spiralling stars' vying for her attention.
 
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ThomasWJames

ThomasWJames
I think what we need here is a Google Doc or something (maybe I can get someone to update the Canonn Codex) about the most relevant information and leads we have gathered thus far. It seems new commanders want to help in the search and reading and sorting through 300+ Forum pages is becoming tedious.
 

Nagual

Nagual
ThomasWJames said:
I think what we need here is a Google Doc or something (maybe I can get someone to update the Canonn Codex) about the most relevant information and leads we have gathered thus far. It seems new commanders want to help in the search and reading and sorting through 300+ Forum pages is becoming tedious.
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A central source is always better than a fragmented one, but it's a lot of work and keeping it up-to-date can be time consuming.
 
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