If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

[Riverside]

Re that last bit... I don't want to just auto resolve win, anything I get I want to have earned and have a choice about getting it... I'd like an option for Auto-resolve
That is my biggest gripe and the reason I can't be bothered to play now

Many many moons ago I made a call for Asteroid belts to not auto-resolve, instead ED went the other direction and gave us all the Stars and local bodies too... that was a smack I didn't want.

Well I suppose that's a different problem because the behaviour you describe is done by both ADS and more with the FSS. I'm just trying to make sure no player is worse off as a result of the 3.3 changes. If you were unhappy before you will continue to be with my proposal I'm afraid.

But I would be happy to support a proposal you make (eg a different discovery module) that did not impact on the way others play.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Re that last bit... I don't want to just auto resolve win, anything I get I want to have earned and have a choice about getting it... I'd like an option for Auto-resolve
That is my biggest gripe and the reason I can't be bothered to play now

Many many moons ago I made a call for Asteroid belts to not auto-resolve, instead ED went the other direction and gave us all the Stars and local bodies too... that was a smack I didn't want.

Auto-resolve bugs me too.
I'd really like the option to turn it off, if we ever get ADS-style functionality back.

 

[John Xenir]

The figurative cow here is the unhappiness with FSS and why part of playerbase doesn't like it.

 

[askavir]

The figurative cow here is the unhappiness with FSS and why part of playerbase doesn't like it.

And if the thread(s) disappear, the issue is swept under the bed like if it didn't exist.

The beigening took over 6 months to even be acknowledged by FD as a problem, and over a year to fix. We would still have beige planets today​ if people stopped talking about it at the time.

 

[kpmop]

Sort of, yes. Personally I'd be happy with that. However in a previous thread a point was raised that some do not want to 'spoil the reveal' - that is to say they want to only use the FSS and not the functionality of the ADS so keeping it as an optional module makes sure that all eventualities are covered. A player could choose not to enter the FSS screen & do it all more or less as before with an ADS fitted (the auto-resolving of nearby bodies is a nice QoL update imo), the player that is happy to sacrifice the extra functionality of the ADS can go without, saving a little mass & power and freeing up a valuable module slot, the tourist or whatever derogatory term people prefer can fit both & wander around looking at things with their eyes.

But compared to the FSS the ADS does very little (and what it does is just a subset in a different order), it would be far simpler to incorporate the ADS function into the FSS (you can already fire off the FSS outside the FSS view) than adding more modules. I don't think the system view reveal is such a big deal (anymore - I used to!) - once you get the hang of it you can instantly see what planet types there are from the FSS radio bar thing - ok you don't see the pretty pictures straight away, but it's only a matter of a minute or two to scan the system with the FSS anyway.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

Don't see why Frontier should be held to ransom by a few ADS fundamentalists; hope they leave it as is and continue to ignore the few.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The beigening took over 6 months to even be acknowledged by FD as a problem, and over a year to fix. We would still have beige planets today​ if people stopped talking about it at the time.

And there were certain people denying the beigification happened. Even after the devs admitted the problem they kept on denying it, posting screenshots: look, this one is a little bit grey, not beige.

Some people ...

 

[Para Handy]

......
The beigening took over 6 months to even be acknowledged by FD as a problem, and over a year to fix. .......

... but the FSS is not a problem - it works great, really quick and to me has only one issue - the need to slow down to get that first look at the frequency display.

So no, people throwing toys out of prams because they don't like change is not at all equatable with "beigification".

 

[Riverside]

The figurative cow here is the unhappiness with FSS and why part of playerbase doesn't like it.

There aren't many that really don't like it. Some don't, mostly this is just about being forced to use it.

Had the ADS remained in the game some players would continue to explore as they had before & been happy. Most might initially keep the ADS but would see the massive benefit FSSing from a distance offers, and some of those would then move on to dumping the ADS, preferring to go hardcore explorer with a min/maxed jumprange paper thin ship.

The point though, is that by keeping the ADS no one loses out. Not even Frontier who will undoubtedly want players to want to use the new features.

 

[Vandaahl]

And there were certain people denying the beigification happened. Even after the devs admitted the problem they kept on denying it, posting screenshots: look, this one is a little bit grey, not beige.

Some people ...

There was even a thread started after the go-live of 3.3 that things still looked beige. I stopped caring what people think of colors after that.

really quick and to me has only one issue - the need to slow down to get that first look at the frequency display.

You like pancakes don't you

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

Well I suppose that's a different problem because the behaviour you describe is done by both ADS and more with the FSS. I'm just trying to make sure no player is worse off as a result of the 3.3 changes. If you were unhappy before you will continue to be with my proposal I'm afraid.

But I would be happy to support a proposal you make (eg a different discovery module) that did not impact on the way others play.

Just a simple consideration for the players that bought the game to 'play as you choose'
doesn't need to be a separate module, just allow me to select in the same manner as I can for 'Report crimes against me'

 

[Enderby]

I’d hardly say that expressing dislike of the fss on the forum is throwing one’s toys out of the proverbial pram.

 

[Burke]

FSS might work but its not what we signed up for. Everybody can be happy here, its our leasure time we are spending after all, why shouldnt people enjoy it in their own way? It shouldnt bother anybody else if im happy scanning stuff the old way just as i wont even concern myself with what you might be getting up to.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

There aren't many that really don't like it. Some don't, mostly this is just about being forced to use it.

Had the ADS remained in the game some players would continue to explore as they had before & been happy. Most might initially keep the ADS but would see the massive benefit FSSing from a distance offers, and some of those would then move on to dumping the ADS, preferring to go hardcore explorer with a min/maxed jumprange paper thin ship.

The point though, is that by keeping the ADS no one loses out. Not even Frontier who will undoubtedly want players to want to use the new features.

Except they do lose out, FD specifically loses what it sees as it's new vision for exploring ; the ADS is dead, long live the FSS!

 

[Para Handy]

I’d hardly say that expressing dislike of the fss on the forum is throwing one’s toys out of the proverbial pram.

Well of course I was utilising hyperbole as a prose tool.

(P.S. There are those who have threatened to quit and others who have asked support to transport them back to the bubble - but those are in other threads.)

 

[Stigbob]

Don't see why Frontier should be held to ransom by a few ADS fundamentalists; hope they leave it as is and continue to ignore the few.

Just like with modes.

 

[Vandaahl]

Just like with modes.

Oh god, no, not modes again.

*toot toot*
Here comes the threadnaught...

 

[Old Duck]

But compared to the FSS the ADS does very little (and what it does is just a subset in a different order), it would be far simpler to incorporate the ADS function into the FSS (you can already fire off the FSS outside the FSS view) than adding more modules.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

NO

How many times do I need to say it - many of us love and even use the "fog of war" aspect of the FSS that leaves undiscovered planets off of the system map.

DON'T MESS WITH THE FSS!

 

[march topcat]

And if the thread(s) disappear, the issue is swept under the bed like if it didn't exist.

The beigening took over 6 months to even be acknowledged by FD as a problem, and over a year to fix. We would still have beige planets today​ if people stopped talking about it at the time.

As far as I can see, there's only a few very loud people in this forum who want back the ADS and God Honk system.Go through all these endless threads and count the number of those people, you'll see there are indeed very few. It's always the same few guys with the same complaints over and over again.
I really hope that FDev will ignore them and continue to improve the new system. I don't say that I am completely happy with the FSS as it is now, but it's a huge step forward. I hope we will never see the old ADS and Honk again, because that would be a step back into the wrong direction.

 

[Riverside]

But compared to the FSS the ADS does very little (and what it does is just a subset in a different order), it would be far simpler to incorporate the ADS function into the FSS (you can already fire off the FSS outside the FSS view) than adding more modules. I don't think the system view reveal is such a big deal (anymore - I used to!) - once you get the hang of it you can instantly see what planet types there are from the FSS radio bar thing - ok you don't see the pretty pictures straight away, but it's only a matter of a minute or two to scan the system with the FSS anyway.

I don't disagree

But I respect the views of others and keeping the ADS unchanged (as a separate module) overcomes the rare circumstances where is more effective than the FSS (eg finding green gas giants). It's also a solution plenty of people are familiar with, including Fdev.

I'm not really looking for people to be better off, I just don't want anyone to be needlessly worse off.