Did any of these explorer people get their names all over the codex before they asked to get back to the bubble?
Maybe travel back but the fee is to wipe the names from the codex.
Just a suggestion.
If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.
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Did any of these explorer people get their names all over the codex before they asked to get back to the bubble?
Maybe travel back but the fee is to wipe the names from the codex.
Just a suggestion.
I sort of see but I don't see why you don't just use the FSS to populate the systmap.
It might be annoying (grindy?) and take longer for you, but I think that's the way fdevs operate in most of the updates.
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Yet currently the only ones continuously complaining is just a handful of players. I think everyone does get it except for that handful ….
Actually i meant i hope its forced upon all the rest of the players in the way it has been upon exploration. All im getting is that there is no offical word on it.
I didnt see your posts there
It is grindy but also its not the game i paid for. Even worse its boring. Really really uninteresting. As for the guy and the codex, i suspect he wont care. If he does get his ride home, good chance he will quit soon after anyway i think.
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Ralph, I might not agree with some of the things you say here but in this instance I will big kudos for being right. Too many here think the FSS is only for explorers but it, the DSS, even the Analysis Mode affect and are now part of a lot of different play modes. A player will need the DSS if they want to mine successfully, a player will need the FSS if they are mission running, a player will need Analysis Mode if they want to scan that biological anomaly they found on the planet. Yes there are alternates (Nav Beacon etc) but it is quite evident that FD have further plans for the new tools and the Analysis Mode.
As for DW2, I am having a bet on the Galactic Goat to gobble them all up
Alternatives for everyone except explorers.
Now isn't that just lovely?
Someone will be along shortly to tell me my alternative is to not play.
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Hi, Mangal!
I tried to implement the "Best of both worlds". As far as I got it, the reasonable "anti-fss"-crowd complained about that the FSS gives too much body-data to the player. They don't doom the FSS in the first place. There are alot of, let's call them "professional explorers", who simply want a REASON to cruise through the system. And to be honest, I can understand them. The old ADS-Honk didn't gave you nothing but the position of the bodies present in the system. You had to cruise to the bodie to examine it to the fullest. Now you have to do nothing but to "fiddle with knobs". Please don't get mie wrong. I like the feel of the FSS, but it simply gives away too much information. Lots of credits without the real need to " have earned" them.
The FSS is a "tourist-tool" to get as fast as possible to the desired destination, enjoy the sightseeing, and grab a mountain of cash.
The "Profesionals" like me, okay...I'm "only" a "semi-pro", are REALLY enjoying the need to cruise to a bodie to explore it to the fullest. It's like the old need of humanity to get to Moon/Mars IN PERSON. Why would NASA / ESA / Space-X trying to get a (Wo)Man to Mars if the Rovers can do all the job for pretty pictures.
So Yes... You have to use the "old Honk" to get a positive solution of the body-position nothing more, If you want a general information about the bodies discovered you have to "fiddle with knobs" / "whack the moles". But if you want more (credits), you HAVE TO put some effort in. First you have literally only discovered the body ("look there is something at the horizon"). You want to explore it? Get your "lazy butt" into the gravity well of that rock. Now you are an explorer and you earned the title. Lastly, if you are really a sucessor of Alan Shepard, begin to improve your handicap to find the REAL GOOD STUFF (poi).
As the FSS is now live it only fits the tourists if any. And sorry, those gals/guys, like the OP complaing "I don't like it" and "This is not MY (lol) game anymore", ARE only fragging tourists. They simply don't deserve the title "explorer". But thats only my opinion about this topic
LTDR: My proposal about FSS and ADS is not redundant per se.
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They'd be right, games change over time you can't hold back progress.
Yes, but they'll decide that on player metrics not the inevitable post update whinging that always happens anyway. Based on Stuart GT's DW2 stats it's extremely popular with ED players.
How can people who just bought the game hold an opinion if they dont know what it was like before? How can you even suggest with a straight face that DWE signup being over 9000 is related to positive reaction to FSS?
That dude half way to nowhere that logged on one day and found his game ruined.. for him alone they should put it back. Damn inconsiderate.
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Yes how can someone hold an opinion on something they haven't tried. Bit like flooding the Beta forums about how bad the new mechanics are and eventually admitting that they didn't even try Beta, had never tried the new system but knew categorically it as EVIL.
Slightly off-tangent, but I've finally found something that really grinds my gears about the new system.
When you jump into a system that has only 1 or 2 bodies (stars usually), Holly... er... I mean COVAS tells me straight away that "System scan complete" or whatever.
I've not done a system scan (honk) so how the heck do you know, Holly?
When you jump into a system that has only 1 or 2 bodies (stars usually), Holly... er... I mean COVAS tells me straight away that "System scan complete" or whatever.
I've not done a system scan (honk) so how the heck do you know, Holly?
What makes you think its new players on DW2 ?. All this cobblers about nobody playing the game for years has just been wishful thinking by people who would be happier if they moved on.
The new players are probably climbing the learning curve blasting pirates and having fun engineering their ships.
the fact that i know and used the old system is exactly why i dont need to use the new one to know its worse. You will take us full circle again. We need the ADS for the initial system scan so we can decide if there is anything there worth exploring.
Well i kind of assumed they were the same people generating all the reviews. You are correct i have no idea. I dont know anything about people not playing for years.
ill just come out and say it, shoot me down if you wish. I think the DWE numbers are there to forward an agenda. Makes me sad.
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Thousands signed up on the promise of the expedition taking place after Beyond... with the expectation that the new exploration tools would be in place by then. I know I did. We didn't know what form they would take though.
So it's not a ringing endorsement of the FSS per-se, but I highly doubt they'd have got the numbers they did if we were only going to be able to honk, scoop, and fly to planets & wait.
At 47.38ly the average jump range is too high for it to be noob heavy.
Occam's razor.
In fairness I can think of one particular shill here who play at most a few hours a month and yet seems to know everything about Elite, what the devs are doing and won't have a bad word said. So, yep, that ball bounces on both sides of the fence. I've already caught another one blatantly lying.
But whatever, maybe we could have our minds changed if we could actually you know, play the damn game, without interruptions, freezes, connection errors, bugs.
But No... That's way too much to ask for. I haven't had one continuous play session without breaks since the release.
But hey, Mooka is happy, so we shouldn't complain, right?
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