Or they could play in a PG that prohibits PvP and hope that nobody acts like an at. Silly idealists.
I hope DW2 gets ganked all the way to Beagle Point.
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Or they could play in a PG that prohibits PvP and hope that nobody acts like an at. Silly idealists.
Well in this case it was just plain dumb to go in open in a explorer build and deserving of a 'Darwin award' rather than reimbursement. The losses in a PG are slightly different, so I'll leave that mess to FD to sort out.
HI 
I am in DW2
I am in Fleetcomm
I am a carebear
I dislike pathetic losers who go after unarmed ships(like the idiot who tried and failed with me)
But, I also admire PvPers and pirates and those who take on the "nasty pilot" role
And I definitely do NOT want FD to restore dead ships on DW2. What happens, happens.
I am in DW2
I am in Fleetcomm
I am a carebear
I dislike pathetic losers who go after unarmed ships(like the idiot who tried and failed with me)
But, I also admire PvPers and pirates and those who take on the "nasty pilot" role
And I definitely do NOT want FD to restore dead ships on DW2. What happens, happens.
Im not sure what you're on about because this one is significantly more massive, and incorporates building a actual ing station even further out than colonia. If that isnt making waves in history for at least this game, then i dont know what would.
The station is one major point of why im participating, even if im not a primary explorer, that station at sag*a is gonna be a game changer and people better remember why and how it was put there.
Exactly, haven't seen anyone complaining about getting ganked in Open and asking for a refund in this thread.
You're forgetting a few things here;
Joining a private group with the intention to go against that groups rules and kill players is against EULA and seen as harrassment.
PvP players, both the good ones and the kids have open to play in. To my knowledge, they have been given free reign and never sanctioned for a PK.
So, an event that is run in a private group with a pve only ruleset is just that. The PKd should indeed have their ship restored and the killer banned.
Just to finalize, Do we want a game where to have an event without PK, has to be done in solo? Not much of a group event is it?
For transparency, I was in PG and did not get killed.
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I fly with shields and weapons but against a dedicated PvP player I stand no chance, best case I'll be able to flee but I imagine that is a so-so proposition.
So, you know, thanks for ruining my day (week? month?) for your own amusement.
If people will insist on anti-social behaviour then yeah, we probably need a PvE mode or much stronger in game punishment for killing players.
I'm not at DW2 and I like play in Open .. my personal stance on this is, that it is kinda sad that these events need to be done in Private Group. I understand reasons well
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honestly if this happened in open and was not a bug then i do not see what the issue is. gankers gonna gank etc and it is in the rules of the game.
now, if it happened in a PG where the rules of the group are no PvP then i do have sympathy and on that i am torn. however AFAIK FD have always said about the jerks in mobius that it is down to mobius to police and not them.. <shrugs>.
Correct:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...update-Reiteration-of-player-harassment-rules
However, replacing their ships is not about policing the attackers.
just to state - i dont condone any of it but....
A Cutter enters the PG which disallows PvP, armed to the teeth for an "exploration" organised event and no alarm bells are going off?
take it on the chin and learn from it, Raising a ticket to claim for the rebuy and moaning here is exactly what they want to happen.
Humans can be Richards in all walks of life, be wary, scan the ships if they have weapons keep your distance, its the same reason i don't cuddle crocodiles.
FWIW i left in open and there where a few gazelles that went to say hi to Richard, a group of us knew better and flew off in normal space before commencing our jump, i mean most of the Richards were wanted which should have been a massive siren going off.
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When I was pure n00b, it was drilled in, don't-fly-with-out-rebuy.
To me this means more than just insurance costs. It means, don't fly anything you care about in a dangerous situation. Most notably in open with a cargo hold of opals when broke, or explo data, or 400 jumps from nearest re-spawn, or super-duper-amped-about-latest-huge-community-event. And it even applies to high G landings in solo with that explo data.
To me it means, if you've put yourself into a situation that would hurt your feelings for more than a few moments to lose, then you've not navigated the waters well. (And most of us, myself including, have to learn this the hard way at least once).
No shame flying in solo. Utmost respect for open only pilots but I fully admit to doing it myself for things that would suck to lose (at this point, almost entirely long research for the details of a particular play/BGS dynamic, or a tedious Engineering grind/gather/build session).
I deliberately exclude PG in this. Unless it's literally 2-6 close friends, they're all still just randos on the internet and I don't care if there's a TOS and some article on kotaku tells me it's safe. Randos on the internet do randos on the internet things.
I've improved a lot in skill since pure n00b, but nothing has increased my fun factor more than not getting emotionally attached to any ship or cargo [I am guilty of being emotionally attached to certainly gameplay ;-) ]. It's a game, and a pretty damn great one, or else we wouldn't be here.
o7. hope my sleep deprived babbling strikes a chord somewhere. And I know not everyone does (or should) play like I do.
To me this means more than just insurance costs. It means, don't fly anything you care about in a dangerous situation. Most notably in open with a cargo hold of opals when broke, or explo data, or 400 jumps from nearest re-spawn, or super-duper-amped-about-latest-huge-community-event. And it even applies to high G landings in solo with that explo data.
To me it means, if you've put yourself into a situation that would hurt your feelings for more than a few moments to lose, then you've not navigated the waters well. (And most of us, myself including, have to learn this the hard way at least once).
No shame flying in solo. Utmost respect for open only pilots but I fully admit to doing it myself for things that would suck to lose (at this point, almost entirely long research for the details of a particular play/BGS dynamic, or a tedious Engineering grind/gather/build session).
I deliberately exclude PG in this. Unless it's literally 2-6 close friends, they're all still just randos on the internet and I don't care if there's a TOS and some article on kotaku tells me it's safe. Randos on the internet do randos on the internet things.
I've improved a lot in skill since pure n00b, but nothing has increased my fun factor more than not getting emotionally attached to any ship or cargo [I am guilty of being emotionally attached to certainly gameplay ;-) ]. It's a game, and a pretty damn great one, or else we wouldn't be here.
o7. hope my sleep deprived babbling strikes a chord somewhere. And I know not everyone does (or should) play like I do.
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Totally agree here. If someone wants to go on a gank fest in open - more power to you, open is open, and if you want to play with the open folks, you need to play by open folk rules.
Same applies to gankers - you join a private group, either play by the rules of said group, or accept that restorations or (whatever else it is that makes you cry in the corner at night) is going to happen.
In a group of thousands, it's pretty hard to filter everyone, so those on the DW2 expedition should always be prepared for a ganker or 20 to turn up out of the blue, and honestly, whilst I don't support combat logging at all, I wouldn't be holding it against anyone in one of the DW2 groups (or any private group where PvP is not part of the sign up terms).
Again - for any DW2 CMDR that was in open and got exploded, mix in some cement with your breakfast cereal and harden up a bit, accept the realities of open and learn from it.
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Easiest way would be for Fdev to create rules options for Private groups.
Tick boxes for example :-
Galaxy wide PVP allowed [No]
Res site PVP allowed [Yes]
Combat Zone PVP allowed [Yes]
So any player on player shots fired outside of Res or Cz in this example would not register the shots.
Edit: add in an Insurance Coverage [Yes] [No] option and voila ! Private group with Ironman option.
Tick boxes for example :-
Galaxy wide PVP allowed [No]
Res site PVP allowed [Yes]
Combat Zone PVP allowed [Yes]
So any player on player shots fired outside of Res or Cz in this example would not register the shots.
Edit: add in an Insurance Coverage [Yes] [No] option and voila ! Private group with Ironman option.
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Ok listen here you PVP morons, if this was true MMO, we wouldn't be jumping star by star and we'd be all moving in one big group with figher escorts, frigates, science ships, fuel tanker ships, media maybe even army. Some small group of morons wouldn't stand a chance and would get blown apart imediatelly. But sadly game engine does not allow us to have this epic adventure, but you can still imagine it is. So FDEV kindly helps to keep that image.
Besides what kind of sick twisted mind would go to antarctica research station just to shoot everyone because they are far from civilization? People like that belong in mental asylums and not in real world.
I have a vision of space game where there are no loading screens (FSD jumps), but we travel where we want to in a big galaxy. We don't need fuel scoops we don't need repair modules for every ship, we could just walk around ships and have set autopilots follow lead ships. Fuel tankers would scoop up stars as we fly by them. We could join few ships with docking ports to create this floating caravan city and talk and have fun. Chat and observe mysteries. Work together to map stuff. Yeah we can imagine it.
Reality is however different, you have list of 12000 people looking at loading screens. Rest is just your imagination.
Besides what kind of sick twisted mind would go to antarctica research station just to shoot everyone because they are far from civilization? People like that belong in mental asylums and not in real world.
I have a vision of space game where there are no loading screens (FSD jumps), but we travel where we want to in a big galaxy. We don't need fuel scoops we don't need repair modules for every ship, we could just walk around ships and have set autopilots follow lead ships. Fuel tankers would scoop up stars as we fly by them. We could join few ships with docking ports to create this floating caravan city and talk and have fun. Chat and observe mysteries. Work together to map stuff. Yeah we can imagine it.
Reality is however different, you have list of 12000 people looking at loading screens. Rest is just your imagination.
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Calm down and stop calling them names. In the end it's just a game.
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This dude right here followed me for so long during the zarek null event. I didnt know if you were tracking me or on my side. But we stayed ahead of you as far as we could. We were going to kill you just in case if we ran into ya =P
It was fun though. I was watching you on the map for quite a while =P
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Gankers don't care about system security, there aren't any 'safe' systems in this game, you know this right? If they'd held it in Sol same thing would have happened, to think otherwise is naive in the extreme. This isnt Eve with its high sec insta-ganking insta-spawning magical police to stamp on high-sec attacks the moment they happen.
But you'd have a point if Elite had a C&P system that was worth a damn. It doesn't. It has Open and PG as its 'security' system. But PG rule needs to be respected otherwise there is no point in that mode of play at all and the whole game should be open play or solo with no pointless middle-ground. I play open so that suits me!
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But this isn't the real world. It's just bits in the registers and fun in the mind to me.
And I don't even do any of the things you said. Thursday I spent 75 minutes helping some noob learn to scoop cargo, just so I could have him smuggle one ton of narcotics into Maine hub. And it didn't matter at all, except fun was had.
And I can't truthfully say my weird ways of having fun with this game are any more rational than some of the more murderer-y. I mean, that was really ridiculous for me to do.
Ah, you're new to the game I see.