I've been tying to look in to the mythological stories of the past and the hints and names used in ED, to possibly find a common link.

My assumption is that the most ancient human myths are a result of alien interferens, in the distant past. Probably som 10-15 thousand years ago.
Humans at that time would not have fully understood what they experienced or were told by aliens. Hence the myths and religions were created and modified over millennia.

Common for the oldest myths is the mother goddess that creates the universe. Often in the form of an egg. These goddesses are usually likened to bees. Particularly the queen bee.

Neith, Demeter, Cybele, Artemis and many others are seen as bees in some of their aspects. The oldest mother goddess sculptures, often feature a beehive as headgear.

I Greece the priestesses in Delphi were called Melissae(Bees).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa

"Within a fragment of the Orphic poetry, quoted by Natalis Comes, Melitta is spoken of as a hive, and called Seira, or the hive of Venus:

Let us celebrate the hive of Venus, who rose from the sea: that hive of many names: the mighty fountain, from whence all kings are descended; from whence all the winged and immortal Loves were again produced."

Seira is believed to refer to Demeter.

The second tempel in Delphi was supposedly built by bees, from wings and bees wax. The Omphalos stone it self, is modeled on a beehive.

Another strange common element between different ancient religions, is the belief that bees arise spontaneously form the decomposed carcass of bulls. This is so deeply rooted in tradition that the honey bee carries the same name as the sacred bull in Egyptian mythology. Apis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apis_(deity)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee

It's a strange belief, as bees don't go near rotting flesh. Cavities like skulls may have attracted bees to build hives though.


Could this mean that bee like aliens have messed with humanity, in the distant past of Elite history? Does it fit with the galaxy we live in?

I think it fits rater well. Thargoids are insectoid. Often refereed to as ants. Ants and bees are cousins. They are originally both wasps. Bees are wasps that became vegetarians and ants are wasps that stoppe flying(most of the time).

We know Thargoids have the habit of modifying existing life forms, for their own needs. They are rumored to be parasitic in their nymph;) stage and metaphorically they come from the bull, as they arrive in our part of the galaxy, thru Taurus.

There is common symbolism in imagery between:
Ancient bee goddesses


The Robotic Avian:


The central figure of the Thargoid machine with spiraling stars:

Other hints:

- Siren song is often likened to the humming of bees.
- We have one robotic avian in ED. The rare comodity, Volkhab Bee Drones.
- The Rare commodity at Dea Motrona(mother goddess), is Motrona Experience Jelly. Royal jelly from bees were often used in intoxicating drinks used in religious practices.
- https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/ed99a7d27746d23b0cb1a679eb398054e1c5ad7d

Something going on in the Galaxy or just coincidences?


Your ideas are always enjoying to read whether they are true or not. Raxxla’s story will be less satisfying then yours imo but I just hope from you FDev would learn a thing or two!
 
This is the curse of Raxxla isn't it? There is so much depth in clues that all seem to lead to dead ends. Nothing makes sense... Until the day it does, the day you realize that it's been right in front of you the whole time but out of reach... The journey is the key to the destination... Everyone one of you need to ask yourself the question: Is this journey the key to untold fortunes or the key to Pandora's box ? Are you willing to lose it all to find out? It requires experience to see what is right in front of you. A journey that will stretch through the entirety of your Pilot's Federation career... Some of you probably don't even realize that you we selected precisely for this journey... Did you just think someone would give you a ship with an unlimited number of rebuys without a reason? While you are out toying around in conflict zones the Elites are pulling at the strings holding together the fabric of the Universe. It takes a seasoned explorer to spot the inconsistencies... While you are on your journey searching the depths of space or the comforts of the bubble for clues you are creating the key... A condition that must be met before your master... My master... Will show you the door that has been at the tip of your nose since day one but always out of reach. Do you remember it?
 
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Your ideas are always enjoying to read whether they are true or not. Raxxla’s story will be less satisfying then yours imo but I just hope from you FDev would learn a thing or two!

Thanks. My ideas are usually wrong, but it's fun to read and find links.
 
Uranus and Gaia are Rhea's parents. And Rhea gave the Omphalos stone to her husband Chronus, to save Zeus, her son, from being eaten by Cronus.

The solar system has the following bodies or factions that have names that are related to the Raxxla codex: Mars (alien artifact found), Persephone, Pluto (aka. Hades), Rhea, Uranus, and the faction Mother Gaia.
 
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Is this journey the key to untold fortunes or the key to Pandora's box ? Are you willing to lose it all to find out?

It's quite likely to end with a standings reset to "red with the Pilot's Federation and/or everyone", or even possibly "character deleted - start over." So, blah blah blah, nope from me.
 
Some misconceptions in thread I might be able to clear up.


Numbered Stations

SOME stations are numbered. Not all stations have IDs on the front of the station. We have been told 2 things about these numbered stations:

1: We should be writing them down. Told be DB in a PS magazine interview.

2: That these numbers relate to the star port, and the star its located.


That's odd.

So we have a mapping system, and Numbered system?

This plays in line with the theory that Raxxla won't be something you can target from the Universal Cartographics map. but Why? Because the Universal Cartographis was a formation between two companies, one called Omphalos Infotech. By someone that has a long heritage line, like what the Dark wheel usually has for it's members.

I have written down about 20. I am working on a pattern, but i think I'll need close to ~50 to really start disseminating it.

Greek and Roman Mythology

Whoa guys. The reason we are finding so many greek things in space is well... that's what they were named 1000s of years ago. So as you disseminate a story, and go through the stars....that's exactly what the story is built into...of course it matches!


Any crazy inclusions of greek stories, if these stars are actually included (rhea, cass, delphi, etc), is probably a multi step list of things to do, and we don't have enough clues to even begin surmising a path of events yet. We still need to find what to start looking for
Like most of the other mysteries in this game I believe:

Everything can be found in game.

1: the intro image is a clue, we have two clues (horizons and regular start menu image).

why: "Siren of the deepest void" Sirens are real, and the sign of them are cliffs or sharp ridges...interestingly like the images on the start menu.
AND
And early lead dev said something like "includes a path every pilot has to take..."

Well the only thing that every pilot sees, are the start screens, and the mysterious benefactors from the game manual. (probably 'The club')

Every other mystery was found in game besides the tools used to disseminate some clues (the spectragraph for the thargoids).

I believe we have had some clues since the start, but the riddles in the Codex entry are also clues.

Delphi

This is related to Aegis and The Club. The Club is notorious for using the Greek mythology for it's doings.

Cassiopeia

I really don't believe this is some clue to deep dive some weird poem book, and then find some weird missing brother of the cousin of some ancient god mythos story, and that they followed that to place a symbol of immense lore of a game.

I DO think that the constellation Cassiopeia is what is referred in the toast, but i think this just gives creedence that the dark wheel are making this toast from a planet that Cassiopeia still resembles Cassiopeia, strengthening that the dark wheel is in the bubble, or on the edge of the bubble somewhere.

I do not think Raxxla itself is near the bubble. Or, not in the way we think it is.

My main theories that I believe need to be investigated:

The starting image

Which stations have numbers on the entry port, and which system/planet do they orbit. (we are looking for a pattern)

8th moon of some gas giant. This planet has a lot of ridges in at least one area of the planet. Deep ridges like this can be seen from FSS. I think we are looking for an O, B, or A class star, probably B. and it probably has at least 2 blue stars in the system.

El Dorado is mentioned twice in the Codex. As is 'Omphalos' Once for Raxxla, and once for the Alliance entries. I think somethign is in the listing of the myths "Atantis, El Dorado, and the kingdom of Prester John"

No, I don't think we can find anything by going to the two "Doradus" stars, but they were mentioned for a reason, and the obscure prester john reference...I don't think anything is in the story for those, I think they listed them to key on things to pay attention to in game. There might be an installation data log somewhere that references one of those.

We aren't finding it mainly by using eddb or edsm.

The dark wheel, and its planet system is probably not mapped/discovered. It's probably hidden from the honk, and you will have to fly towards an empty looking second/third star, only to discover a gas giant with 8 moons.

why?

The deepest void, and the dark wheel has the notion of "keeping it in the family". I don't think they are "the club", but i think they control Universal Cartographics (the other "Omphalos" mention in the Codex), and therefore is not findable the traditional way. from the codex on Universal Cartograhics, "enhanced security systems...to ensure correct data on scanned systems" or something like that. How are they going to "verify" Raxxla/dark wheel if dark wheel has spent 1000 years being masters at hiding?

I think we use those tools to narrow down systems that have o,b,a stars with a secondary blue star that is far from the entry point. but I don't think anyone has found the gas giant containing the moon yet.
 
So, having made the assumption that The Dark Wheel and Raxxla are directly connected, I'm setting off from Sol to Delphi, via economic travel, in search of Gas Giants with 8+ moons. Once at Delphi I will search the Pleiades also for TDW.

I will bookmark all systems I come across with Gas Giants with 8+ moons.
 
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Ive already said it in the canonn discord but i dont believe the start screen menu is a real place in game because no matter how you place yourself, as long as the constalation is more or less correct you will allways have barnards loop in your picture.

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The second picture is made around 150ly from sol in direction barnards loop. The only other way that the constelation would match with the start screen would be if you look at barnards from the "opposite site" so you would fly to barnards loop and them some 150-250 ly further in this direction but you would have the same problem that barnards loop is in the picture.
I dont think its a real playce in game. Or would it be possible for FD to "remove" barnards loop for the start screen so its not totaly obvious where it is?

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Some misconceptions in thread I might be able to clear up.


Numbered Stations

SOME stations are numbered. Not all stations have IDs on the front of the station. We have been told 2 things about these numbered stations:

1: We should be writing them down. Told be DB in a PS magazine interview.

2: That these numbers relate to the star port, and the star its located.


That's odd.

So we have a mapping system, and Numbered system?

This plays in line with the theory that Raxxla won't be something you can target from the Universal Cartographics map. but Why? Because the Universal Cartographis was a formation between two companies, one called Omphalos Infotech. By someone that has a long heritage line, like what the Dark wheel usually has for it's members.

I have written down about 20. I am working on a pattern, but i think I'll need close to ~50 to really start disseminating it.

Greek and Roman Mythology

Whoa guys. The reason we are finding so many greek things in space is well... that's what they were named 1000s of years ago. So as you disseminate a story, and go through the stars....that's exactly what the story is built into...of course it matches!


Any crazy inclusions of greek stories, if these stars are actually included (rhea, cass, delphi, etc), is probably a multi step list of things to do, and we don't have enough clues to even begin surmising a path of events yet. We still need to find what to start looking for
Like most of the other mysteries in this game I believe:

Everything can be found in game.

1: the intro image is a clue, we have two clues (horizons and regular start menu image).

why: "Siren of the deepest void" Sirens are real, and the sign of them are cliffs or sharp ridges...interestingly like the images on the start menu.
AND
And early lead dev said something like "includes a path every pilot has to take..."

Well the only thing that every pilot sees, are the start screens, and the mysterious benefactors from the game manual. (probably 'The club')

Every other mystery was found in game besides the tools used to disseminate some clues (the spectragraph for the thargoids).

I believe we have had some clues since the start, but the riddles in the Codex entry are also clues.

Delphi

This is related to Aegis and The Club. The Club is notorious for using the Greek mythology for it's doings.

Cassiopeia

I really don't believe this is some clue to deep dive some weird poem book, and then find some weird missing brother of the cousin of some ancient god mythos story, and that they followed that to place a symbol of immense lore of a game.

I DO think that the constellation Cassiopeia is what is referred in the toast, but i think this just gives creedence that the dark wheel are making this toast from a planet that Cassiopeia still resembles Cassiopeia, strengthening that the dark wheel is in the bubble, or on the edge of the bubble somewhere.

I do not think Raxxla itself is near the bubble. Or, not in the way we think it is.

My main theories that I believe need to be investigated:

The starting image

Which stations have numbers on the entry port, and which system/planet do they orbit. (we are looking for a pattern)

8th moon of some gas giant. This planet has a lot of ridges in at least one area of the planet. Deep ridges like this can be seen from FSS. I think we are looking for an O, B, or A class star, probably B. and it probably has at least 2 blue stars in the system.

El Dorado is mentioned twice in the Codex. As is 'Omphalos' Once for Raxxla, and once for the Alliance entries. I think somethign is in the listing of the myths "Atantis, El Dorado, and the kingdom of Prester John"

No, I don't think we can find anything by going to the two "Doradus" stars, but they were mentioned for a reason, and the obscure prester john reference...I don't think anything is in the story for those, I think they listed them to key on things to pay attention to in game. There might be an installation data log somewhere that references one of those.

We aren't finding it mainly by using eddb or edsm.

The dark wheel, and its planet system is probably not mapped/discovered. It's probably hidden from the honk, and you will have to fly towards an empty looking second/third star, only to discover a gas giant with 8 moons.

why?

The deepest void, and the dark wheel has the notion of "keeping it in the family". I don't think they are "the club", but i think they control Universal Cartographics (the other "Omphalos" mention in the Codex), and therefore is not findable the traditional way. from the codex on Universal Cartograhics, "enhanced security systems...to ensure correct data on scanned systems" or something like that. How are they going to "verify" Raxxla/dark wheel if dark wheel has spent 1000 years being masters at hiding?

I think we use those tools to narrow down systems that have o,b,a stars with a secondary blue star that is far from the entry point. but I don't think anyone has found the gas giant containing the moon yet.

I would guess that the Gas Giant and the moon are discoverable, but the station won't show up. I think if you get close enough to the 8th moon, you may get a message. It might even be that it has to be spotted the old fashioned way of watching for movement against the backdrop of space. I think finding The Dark Wheel will lead to Raxxla, and I don't think we will find it without them.

Also, Delphi has strong links to Omphalos, and is located in the Pleiades. As there is the theory that Raxxla may lead to another place, and Thargoids are presumed from elsewhere also, its possible Delphi has some involvement in this mystery.
 
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Something I'd like to ask: The Codex tells about Art and Kore who obviously lived in Tau Ceti. Did we already search and probe that system thoroughly? Idea behind it is, if Kore actually had a map, it might be hidden there somewhere...
 
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"I have written down about 20. I am working on a pattern, but i think I'll need close to ~50 to really start disseminating it."

If you put it on a google doc we can all contribute :)
 
I've been tying to look in to the mythological stories of the past and the hints and names used in ED, to possibly find a common link.

My assumption is that the most ancient human myths are a result of alien interferens, in the distant past. Probably som 10-15 thousand years ago.
Humans at that time would not have fully understood what they experienced or were told by aliens. Hence the myths and religions were created and modified over millennia.

Common for the oldest myths is the mother goddess that creates the universe. Often in the form of an egg. These goddesses are usually likened to bees. Particularly the queen bee.

Neith, Demeter, Cybele, Artemis and many others are seen as bees in some of their aspects. The oldest mother goddess sculptures, often feature a beehive as headgear.

I Greece the priestesses in Delphi were called Melissae(Bees).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa

"Within a fragment of the Orphic poetry, quoted by Natalis Comes, Melitta is spoken of as a hive, and called Seira, or the hive of Venus:

Let us celebrate the hive of Venus, who rose from the sea: that hive of many names: the mighty fountain, from whence all kings are descended; from whence all the winged and immortal Loves were again produced."

Seira is believed to refer to Demeter.

The second tempel in Delphi was supposedly built by bees, from wings and bees wax. The Omphalos stone it self, is modeled on a beehive.

Another strange common element between different ancient religions, is the belief that bees arise spontaneously form the decomposed carcass of bulls. This is so deeply rooted in tradition that the honey bee carries the same name as the sacred bull in Egyptian mythology. Apis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apis_(deity)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee

It's a strange belief, as bees don't go near rotting flesh. Cavities like skulls may have attracted bees to build hives though.


Could this mean that bee like aliens have messed with humanity, in the distant past of Elite history? Does it fit with the galaxy we live in?

I think it fits rater well. Thargoids are insectoid. Often refereed to as ants. Ants and bees are cousins. They are originally both wasps. Bees are wasps that became vegetarians and ants are wasps that stoppe flying(most of the time).

We know Thargoids have the habit of modifying existing life forms, for their own needs. They are rumored to be parasitic in their nymph;) stage and metaphorically they come from the bull, as they arrive in our part of the galaxy, thru Taurus.

There is common symbolism in imagery between:
Ancient bee goddesses


The Robotic Avian:


The central figure of the Thargoid machine with spiraling stars:

Other hints:

- Siren song is often likened to the humming of bees.
- We have one robotic avian in ED. The rare comodity, Volkhab Bee Drones.
- The Rare commodity at Dea Motrona(mother goddess), is Motrona Experience Jelly. Royal jelly from bees were often used in intoxicating drinks used in religious practices.
- https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/ed99a7d27746d23b0cb1a679eb398054e1c5ad7d

Something going on in the Galaxy or just coincidences?

This is great research, it could all be coincidence but then FD does like to put obscure puzzles into things with the hope the community latches on to some absurd idea and figures it out. That being said does all this Bee research point to anything in the galaxy that we can think of off the top of our collective heads?

If so we may be able to piece together a lead, nothing springs to mind for me
 
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It should be added that Bees were also a symbol of the „Galli“ (wasn’t there something about Gallia a few pages ago?) the castrate priests of Cybele who took part in the annual festivities surrounding the cult of Attis/Cybele. I once read the bee might have been chosen as a symbol because after the marriage she keeps the male part of her murdered partner to reproduce. Another symbol for fertility.
 
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This is great research, it could all be coincidence but then FD does like to put obscure puzzles into things with the hope the community latches on to some absurd idea and figures it out. That being said does all this Bee research point to anything in the galaxy that we can think of off the top of our collective heads?

If so we may be able to piece together a lead, nothing springs to mind for me

Don’t know. Perhaps we should jump around the bubble with a bunch of Thargoid sensors, waiting for them to start singing in hyperspace?

They did for Jacques.
 
When I read Raxxla Codex page I thought that Raxxla location may be limited by old ships moving/jump range or max overall distance. Especially for Art's ship. So it is somewhere near Tau Ceti. Not at the one jump distance. More! For example 5-10 jumps. But then I found translation issue with this Codex page. Art said "...Может, по дороге еще на Raxxla заедем?!" in my localization. It's mean: "Maybe by the way we will stop in Raxxla?!" with expression. Then I read English version: "Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!" Translations aren't equivalent! They may find Raxxla or stop in it? Huge difference. So English version probably is more right. By the context of whole title I think Art and Cora wasn't know where is it.

My mistake after all. I missed meaning of that phrase even in my own language.
 
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I know its not strictly Canon, but with the recent emergence of the faction calling themselves The Dark Wheel, and needing to be Elite to access their home system, I thought this part of The Dark Wheel by Robert Holdstock tied into the narrative:

"One thing's for sure,' Rafe went on drily. 'Unless you get there, unless you become Èlite, you'll never get to Raxxla. And you'll never know exactly what your father was searching for.'
'I don't understand.'
'Were you aware of his involvement in The Dark Wheel?'


So perhaps the secret to finding Raxxla lies in Shinrarta Dezhra, as you need to be Elite to gain entry. I am also assuming the emblem on the dark wheel logo is also Elite? (Combat?)
 
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