The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Jorki Rasalas]

I don't think this article is a clue however, it does show that in game and now lore they have the tech to prevent detection. What I took from this, is that would rule out the possibility of being able to just FSS a system to find Raxxla and you would need to as they say have the Access Codes.

Well how “undetectable” is undetectable? We need to investigate this mechansim since it is likely relevant to the Raxxxla quest. It will be instructive to fss scan Luna from the star and see if this base shows up as a signal source, then fss again at the moon, then use DSS probes; I suspect “undetectable” means it will only show up when within a short distance as we’ve already seen that mechanic & it should be easy to change the detection threshold from 1000ls to say 20km. Or maybe it wont show on fss but will with dss. We need to know the detection distance!

I think this is FD giving us an in-game hint....I am reminded of my first fss & dss experience when ch4 release dropped; I went to 12 Trianguli and scanned for the INRA base there as I hadn’t visited before so it was unknown to my ship systems. I had an fss human (actually showed as guardian due to the known bug) signal report then probed, however the base didn’t show in my nav panel until I dropped out of glide. Have checked again recently at Conflux bases & they showed before the glide started, but a couple of times lost the target lock during glide & I had to reselect.

The INRA bases may have been early users of stealth technology. Does this match with anyone else’s experience?

 

[Eckee]

I think it was literally undetectable. They needed to know where it was or needed these access codes to locate it. I appreciate that article because it’s matching with my Raxxla hypothesis. We need a module or permit of some kind to locate Raxxla. Maybe at the end of a quest line or start of it. We grab some module or engineering to our DSS and start the hunt. Or some kind of device we carry in our cargo hold like we do it with the Thargoid Link to locate new surface sites.

 

[oblackhando]

Well how “undetectable” is undetectable? We need to investigate this mechansim since it is likely relevant to the Raxxxla quest. It will be instructive to fss scan Luna from the star and see if this base shows up as a signal source, then fss again at the moon, then use DSS probes; I suspect “undetectable” means it will only show up when within a short distance as we’ve already seen that mechanic & it should be easy to change the detection threshold from 1000ls to say 20km. Or maybe it wont show on fss but will with dss. We need to know the detection distance!

I think this is FD giving us an in-game hint....I am reminded of my first fss & dss experience when ch4 release dropped; I went to 12 Trianguli and scanned for the INRA base there as I hadn’t visited before so it was unknown to my ship systems. I had an fss human (actually showed as guardian due to the known bug) signal report then probed, however the base didn’t show in my nav panel until I dropped out of glide. Have checked again recently at Conflux bases & they showed before the glide started, but a couple of times lost the target lock during glide & I had to reselect.

The INRA bases may have been early users of stealth technology. Does this match with anyone else’s experience?

I have a couple of INRA sites that I have not visited yet, I will go check this. If this works at least we will have a slightly better understanding of just what type of scan may be needed

**Update - Upon entering the system I did an FSS and located a human source on the planet. After a DSS I located and was able to lock with the site and descend. Once entering glide it did however unlock and had to reselect

 

[Crimson Dawn]

Sorry hole thing didn't copy, and it continues...
The trade and military union ended when Dark Wheel entered the forbidden Raxxlan territory with a generation ship. This broke the deal that was made between humans and reptiles. Raxxlans arranged clan wars to declare owners of the systems.

Ben Ryder wanted to get his own deals with Raxxlans and built his own gateway in 3125. This was the only known way to find Raxxla without deeper involvement with the Dark Wheel.

The only way to get to Raxxla was to use Ben Ryder's gateway which was located near Lave and Tionisla system. The only way to find the gateway was to visit Lave Station, ask for permission from Ben Ryder and fly around clockwise around Lave system to Tionisla. The trip had to be not less than 7 to 9 jumps before entering the secret system from Tionisla to the hidden system with the gateway.

The gateway itself was located near the last ringed planet where a battle took place against Allied Police force which was trying to get the ring to their use. The gateway has been lost since Dark Wheel hid it in 3126 due a war against Raxxlans.

Technically Raxxlans had a transport system to transfer the planet from system to other systems. The system looked like 5 large towers at both poles of the planet. Therefore it is extremely plausible that Raxxlan planet has been relocated and can be basically found anywhere. Therefore the current location of the planet is unknown.

Micro Bit Computer Magazine 1990.

The reason why I know this. My last game save in 1991 is Raxxla.

Ben Ryder went through his own gateway and disappeared. He was declared dead soon after that. Allied Police force did all their best to find the gateways that were used in the "illegal trade "with Raxxlans. Jason Ryder was assasinated because he was about to expose the Dark Wheels trading system which his actions. The Elites who had retired to Soontil did not want any other power to enter the territory. - Due fact Raxxlans did not want more humans into their galaxy either.

After Dark Wheel broke the agreements, the war against Raxxla began. - To be honest. I was expecting to fight this war in Elite Frontier, but to my surprise, the game continued in Milkyway like nothing in Galaxy 9 happened. Raxxla and all the events around it basically got lost and became these weird legends that echo around. - To be honest... Not many seen the place...

The Thargoid ship on Lave planet was the only hit that something happened. We just have to remember the gateway to Raxxla was actually built from Thargoid Technology. - Thargoids and Raxxlans are in stalemate, they have a solid border between their territories. Thargoidia was in west galaxy while Raxxlans had the East of the Galaxy. Soonjji was located in the "no man's zone"."

Just for fun, i decide to follow the exact steps described. And I suppose THIS was the gateway.... Personally i don't really look for Raxxla itself anymore. When out in the black, i look for mysterious ships, or even better, Jason Ryder's "evidence".

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

This article https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/5c5d9d27c9fc306cf10a1310 speaks of a lunar base and not a starport, so my guess is that they're not related.

I also suspect that this article is not related to either The Dark Wheel or the search for Raxxla. The reason is that I see it as being a very good match to the capabilities of an AI, such as the Unit 1 or Project Thunderchild mentioned as part of the GCS Sarasvati mystery ( https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...out-megaship?p=5963310&viewfull=1#post5963310 ). (Although I agree with hanerib, I don't think that Unit 1 would attack Eagle Eye, as that is an asset in the fight against the Thargoids).
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There have been a number of events in Galnet since the discovery of the Sarasvati that are in line with the motivation and capabilities of an AI searching for a hidden research base and this is one of them. I don't know if it was the actual Project Equinox archive that was found but it could be, in which case we'll have to see what Unit 1 does with the knowledge and technology is now has. If this was not the archive, then I feel that Unit 1 must be very close now to this objective. As I understand it, Unit 1 is an AI that was created to help fight the Thargoids but now that AI are outlawed, it seems likely that the authorities will want it dead and to take everything it has for themselves.
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There are events in Galnet that seem possibly related to The Dark Wheel. Any story about someone going missing and turning up, or just going on extended vacation, could be a sign that they are taking a more active role in The Dark Wheel's activities. My guess is that, right now, The Dark Wheel are stepping up their activities because they are in a race to find Raxxla, against either time or an unfriendly power.
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In both of the above cases, being able to find hidden bases could be key to our advancing the story. One orbital base that seems to have a certain amount of stealth is the Panacea Medical Centre (close orbit of HIP 17519 A1a), which does not automatically show up on the nav panel - I think I had to map the moon it orbits before it would appear.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I have a couple of INRA sites that I have not visited yet, I will go check this. If this works at least we will have a slightly better understanding of just what type of scan may be needed

**Update - Upon entering the system I did an FSS and located a human source on the planet. After a DSS I located and was able to lock with the site and descend. Once entering glide it did however unlock and had to reselect

Good to see the scientific method being applied again in this thread! Hypothesis->test->result-> increased knowledge!
Repped!

 

[Jaymundo87]

While scouring the web for any remote tidbit of Raxxla lore, as yet undisturbed, i was directed to the comment section beneath the Raxxla wiki where this can be seen: not having played the original games, can anyone confirm it?

"The original Raxxla is a planet with a Coriolis station also named "Raxxla" in Galaxy 9, Andromeda.

Raxxla itself is a feudal world with reptile race with higher technology level than humans. Raxxlans were extremely hostile to every other race. War was what they loved and aimed for. Raxxla itself is not hard to find. Raxxlans will attack without hesitation giving out their location. The closer you get more aggressive they become. Anyone in their territory must be Elite or die. They will give the permit to enter their station after you have proven your skills in battles against them.

Raxxlans had a formed a trade partnership and military alliance with Dark Wheel in 3025. Dark Wheel had an agricultural settlement on the planet Soonji, which was named after Soontil. Only 100 Elite level commanders were allowed to have a residence on this planet due fact Raxxlans did not want large and permanent human settlements near their territory. Soonji was known as a paradise for retirement.

While the alliance was maintained 100 years the trading kept only a few Elites rich. It is known from history that all the snake ships and the first type of Coriolis stations are Raxxlan designed. The Raxxlans were proud reptiles and they named their ships after their feared relatives. This was to remind human beings to respect them while using them.

I have a copy of the NES version of Elite, I could fire it up and have a poke around, may find a hint there...

 

[Spaceman Si]

While scouring the web for any remote tidbit of Raxxla lore, as yet undisturbed, i was directed to the comment section beneath the Raxxla wiki where this can be seen: not having played the original games, can anyone confirm it?

"The original Raxxla is a planet with a Coriolis station also named "Raxxla" in Galaxy 9, Andromeda."

Well in the original, there were "only" 8 galaxies, and none of them were named, or have any real objects in them. Raxxla did not exist in the original game, other than being in the Dark Wheel novella.

Where did that quote come from though? It is quite inventive

 

[Hanerib]

While scouring the web for any remote tidbit of Raxxla lore, as yet undisturbed, i was directed to the comment section beneath the Raxxla wiki

This was pretty obscure thing to unravel, and one of my favourites. You see, original Elite was published in 1984, for BBC Micro and Acorn Electron. It was considered a really good game at the time, and was ported for multiple platforms. As years passed, the game ended up having myriad different versions, and unofficial amateur versions too. This was part of the subculture at the time. Oolite, and Elite: Dangerous, was born out of similar desire too, to make a new, better Elite, a game you always wished existed.

There was one, local, Aprils Fool joke, that such game could exist. It gained some attention, in -89, or very early 90's, and this was perhaps also noticed by Lord B at the time. The author of this Raxxla lore did refer to this, though he might have included some other rumours also, that included other unofficial game versions. I have no access to the original source material this originates from, but do understand language in question well enough to rely on second hand sources. And its basically this thing, though this is slightly more modern iteration of it, but this is enough to understand:

Spoiler

[video=youtube;VeiILCkgVY4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeiILCkgVY4[/video]

 

[Eckee]

**Update - Upon entering the system I did an FSS and located a human source on the planet. After a DSS I located and was able to lock with the site and descend. Once entering glide it did however unlock and had to reselect

Yeah, it does that.

Plus, the INRA sites we know of are the old, destroyed, exposed ones. They are not active, so they wouldn't be "undetectable" even if they were before.

 

[Han_Zen]

I found an interesting article on the stellar aspect of the Elysian mysteries: http://www.panix.com/~gblt/eleusislaturarev82b.pdf

It has the elements needed to qualify as a Raxxla lead, linking Hecate (goddess of gates, crossrads and magic), Plato's cosmological model and real space phenomena.

I did a little checking. My best vector from Sol would be towards 1 Geminorum (1 Gem).

Haven't doen any deep digging, but it looks interesting.

Hecate's wheel looks a bit like the Raxxla logo as well.

Spoiler

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...60.112.2......1....1..gws-wiz-img.GYPpmI_jgHU

 

[oblackhando]

Yeah, it does that.

Plus, the INRA sites we know of are the old, destroyed, exposed ones. They are not active, so they wouldn't be "undetectable" even if they were before.

That was my thinking as well. If it did have any, lets call it "stealth Technology" then that would of been destroyed or taken with the base. Always worth a look though.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Yeah, it does that.

Plus, the INRA sites we know of are the old, destroyed, exposed ones. They are not active, so they wouldn't be "undetectable" even if they were before.

It doesn’t always do that. Sometimes the ship retains lock throughout the glide, sometimes it doesn’t. I haven’t managed to tie down why the difference exists.

Depends on the stealth technology used; if it’s active, re-radiating detection signals but in antiphase to cancel them out then yes, it would not be in operation without power (however the bases I’ve been to mostly seem to have some power as there are tannoy announcements, operational data beacons and terminals, overhead lights, etc.). If it is passive stealth technology, cladding applied to structural surfaces so that detection sugnals are absorbed and dissipated, then it would still be in operation.

We don’t know if the IRNA bases were stealthy, though if Thargoids had repeatedly invaded the human bubble then it would have made sense for them to be. We don’t know when this anti-detection technology was introduced, or who has it, however it seems to be quite old if Raxxla has it since the Raxxla myth has been around for a long time. Even in the 20th Century militaries were using primitive stealth technologies!

edit: and the galnet article said that the base access codes were used to disable the security systems, not the anti-detection technologies. While this phrasing does not confirm that the anti-detection methods were not disabled by use of access codes it does support this interpretation. The article said that the Fed Navy ship found the base because a distress beacon was activated, which does suggest the anti-detection technologies were still operational.

 

[Hanerib]

as that is an asset in the fight against the Thargoids

But is it, really?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Took myself a look see. Got excited for a second because there is a large, unusually square, stone pretty much right on 0/0. Unfortunalty I forgot my vehicle hanger lol. But using the orbital camera there doesn’t seem to be anything special about it other than being quite square and on 0/0

Sounds like it could be Omphalos Stone?

 

[Stonedoggz]

The original Elite was before my time and as such I never played it but are we sure Raxxla wasn't in the original Elite? David Braben said in a stream once that there was a way to access more than the standard 8 galaxies coded into the game but they where never used, maybe the way to get there was never found?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

The original Elite was before my time and as such I never played it but are we sure Raxxla wasn't in the original Elite? David Braben said in a stream once that there was a way to access more than the standard 8 galaxies coded into the game but they where never used, maybe the way to get there was never found?

it is Googlable - the procedural generation method used in the original Elite game was incompatible & I believe DB has admitted that Raxxla was not in the original.

 

[Garand1987]

Sounds like it could be Omphalos Stone?

That’s what I was hoping on the way down there when it came into view. Unfortunalty I forgot my vehicle hanger so I couldn’t check it out on the ground really. But although it’s large, unusually square, and pretty well smack on 0/0 using the orbital camera there didn’t appear to be anything inscribed on it etc. and there was not something to lock on to, at least from the ship. So I figure it’s either a coincidence of the PG system, or a kind of Easter egg out there by a dev as a chuckle. I might go back with an SRV and have a look again but it didn’t look like something we could interact with.

 

[Noobilite]

This is the back of stones legacy base. I bet raxxla will be something like this with jump abilities or something. I would not be surprised. Are there a lot of these in the galaxy. Or do all stations have this but it's hidden by some back part it's attached too? Note the number of engines. A configuration of 6 with one in the middle.

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

This is the back of stones legacy base. I bet raxxla will be something like this with jump abilities or something. I would not be surprised. Are there a lot of these in the galaxy. Or do all stations have this but it's hidden by some back part it's attached too? Note the number of engines. A configuration of 6 with one in the middle.

There are other stations like that, even back in season 1 when stations were first sent to Ceos and Sothis, they had engines with exhaust plumes. In the lore, Ocellus stations are built in one location and sent through hyperspace to their target system, but some orbis stations can do that as well. Jaques station is an orbis type and it moved around once a month at the game's launch iirc. It is certainly possible that there is another station that does the same (but it has to move with a server reset).