Yes. When I put Raxxla in those fan novels I was trying to figure out a way to have Raxxla be a portal and a planet (as per description in the Dark Wheel) which had somehow not been found despite decades of searching. I figured it had to be meta-physical in some manner, hence the wierdness/witchspace implementation in Mutabilis. I'd do it differently now (not that I have anything to do with Raxxla in ED I hasten to add), but that sort of slightly ethereal, magical, otherworldness struck me as quite a good way of realising Raxxla.

A way to make that idea work with the features available at game release would be: make a planet that's also a hyper wake, in that if a player targets the planet and activates their FSD to jump (not to supercruise), the ship jumps somewhere. This would also fit the whole "door that is also the key" phrase.
 
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I'm really surprised no one talks about DW initiations while exploring the subject of Raxxla.

I may not have been initiated into The Dark Wheel but ...
Shellback-Patch-Uss-Us-Navy-Equator-King-Neptune.jpg

...and the only reason no one has discussed the subject the TDW initiation rites is because we've been waiting for you to get that ball rolling ;)
 
I may not have been initiated into The Dark Wheel but ...

...and the only reason no one has discussed the subject the TDW initiation rites is because we've been waiting for you to get that ball rolling ;)

Oh good. Well, I was recently given 20 courier missions from the bubble to Colonia, not boom data delivery, if that's a matter. Since then, 1 week ago today, I have discovered 7 crashed ships sites (not rng wreckage) and 2 Unknown Wreckage sites. The UW sites appear to be something large like pieces of a station, however the logs appear to indicate it is a ship of sorts. 1 crash site has 4 ships and the log for that site appears to suggest non-human contact, as does one of the UW sites. 5 of the crashed ships were discovered through tip offs, all the rest were found through deciphering mythology related trackstl associated with Alexander the Greats travels.

To my great pleasure, the original missions sent me to Deriso, which means derision, or to mock. I figure at this point (hopefully) I will finally be given the evidence to put the mockery in its place.

Edit* I recently heard of cmdrs scanning logs of megaships which have been leading to tipoffs which I thought was interesting. It's not my approach, but good to see someone's getting results from investigative work.
 
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Oh good. Well, I was recently given 20 courier missions from the bubble to Colonia, not boom data delivery, if that's a matter. Since then, 1 week ago today, I have discovered 7 crashed ships sites (not rng wreckage) and 2 Unknown Wreckage sites. The UW sites appear to be something large like pieces of a station, however the logs appear to indicate it is a ship of sorts. 1 crash site has 4 ships and the log for that site appears to suggest non-human contact, as does one of the UW sites. 5 of the crashed ships were discovered through tip offs, all the rest were found through deciphering mythology related trackstl associated with Alexander the Greats travels.

To my great pleasure, the original missions sent me to Deriso, which means derision, or to mock. I figure at this point (hopefully) I will finally be given the evidence to put the mockery in its place.

Edit* I recently heard of cmdrs scanning logs of megaships which have been leading to tipoffs which I thought was interesting. It's not my approach, but good to see someone's getting results from investigative work.

Not this wreckage is it? https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/264118-23810-Prototype-wrecks-WIP
We were finding strange wreckage 3 years ago. Seemed to be a mix of alien encounter and fsd sabotage/failure. Didn’t lead to anything at the time, but maybe it might now.
 
We have Lagrange clouds, which could be a hint that this mechanic might work. Even though clouds would not accumulate at unstable points, as L2. A station could stay at L2 with little energy for position correction.

It works. There is a Lagrange point planet in Alpha Centauri. It's called Lagrange. :D
 
Heya, I read this whole thread (twice!), and asking new peeps who are starting out on their Raxxla journey to go through it is a bit... daunting. It took me several days to get through it each time.

I tried to compile everyone's theories, guesses, speculations into a google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xWZ-USAMhcpMIeNECsUd_pOChwxI_-J_pfqj0RGWul0/edit?usp=sharing

I linked back to the specific post that suggested looking in a certain place, and I only included guesses/theories that seemed to point in specific directions/narrow down the search area.
I'm going to go through the doc over the next few days and clean it up, add commander names for credit. Maybe make it look nicer, add a spreadsheet, etc

Solid complication. Nice!
 
Not this wreckage is it? https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/264118-23810-Prototype-wrecks-WIP
We were finding strange wreckage 3 years ago. Seemed to be a mix of alien encounter and fsd sabotage/failure. Didn’t lead to anything at the time, but maybe it might now.

They look very similar, though those look very much Intact and unscathed. Whereas mine have been wrecked and have had "Server Banks" which cannot be collected or scanned and Comms Beacons which can be scanned. I'll post photos when I get home. Btw, these Colonia missions were related to The Low Profile Workshop Faction
 
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Heya, I read this whole thread (twice!), and asking new peeps who are starting out on their Raxxla journey to go through it is a bit... daunting. It took me several days to get through it each time.

I tried to compile everyone's theories, guesses, speculations into a google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xWZ-USAMhcpMIeNECsUd_pOChwxI_-J_pfqj0RGWul0/edit?usp=sharing

I linked back to the specific post that suggested looking in a certain place, and I only included guesses/theories that seemed to point in specific directions/narrow down the search area.
I'm going to go through the doc over the next few days and clean it up, add commander names for credit. Maybe make it look nicer, add a spreadsheet, etc

Awesome work, CMDR!

I've added a link in the OP to your post.
 
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Beor returns that system because there is a planet in that system called Beorg (the Galmap search returns some planet names as well as system names and stations - searching for the system Ara was a nightmare!). It's unusual to have a named Ammonia World but the station orbiting it has a slightly different configuration of name, which makes me wonder if this was named by a backer. I don't think it's a re-named Beor.

Thanks for the clarification! I haven't been there since the restart of my account, so I couldn't look for a named planet.
 
A bunch of requests about Raxxla came up on my twitch stream last night, so I sort of went into it a bit. I've uploaded it to youtube for reference. You may find it interesting.



Cheers,

Drew.

Maybe being Elite and fly a cobra MK III, 7Ly are trigger points
 
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From what I understand and looked up wiki about Delphi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi

"formerly also called Pytho (Πυθώ), is famous as the ancient sanctuary that grew rich as the seat of Pythia, the oracle who was consulted about important decisions throughout the ancient classical world. Moreover, the Greeks considered Delphi the navel (or centre) of the world, as represented by the stone monument known as the Omphalos of Delphi"

Which in this case represents Raxxla description itself on the codex " Several versions of the Raxxla story mention an alien artefact, the Omphalos Rift "

But to read on the wiki if this page also mentions The Orcale of Delphi which is an funny to mention the station there is also called the Oracle.

https://www.edsm.net/en/system/stations/id/30616616/name/Delphi/details/idS/46902/nameS/The+Oracle

Now the kicker about Omphalos wiki is also mention just in the same description as Delphi wiki the only difference is the fact it was considered an object among other things

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos

"An omphalos is a religious stone artifact, or baetylus. In Ancient Greek, the word ὀμφᾰλός (omphalós) means "navel". In Greek lore, Zeus sent two eagles across the world to meet at its center, the "navel" of the world.[1] Among the Ancient Greeks, it was a widespread belief that Delphi was the center of the world. According to the myths regarding the founding of the Delphic Oracle, Zeus, in his attempt to locate the center of the earth, launched two eagles from the two ends of the world, and the eagles, starting simultaneously and flying at equal speed, crossed their paths above the area of Delphi, and so was the place where Zeus placed the stone. Omphalos is also the name of the stone given to Cronus. In the ancient world of the Mediterranean, it was a powerful religious symbol. Omphalos Syndrome refers to the belief that a place of geopolitical power and currency is the most important place in the world."

Now the last bit here I bolded describes the original description of Raxxla of riches, not just in political power but in currency which is the shared relation with the Dark Wheel.

Cronus on game is a planet located in Elysia https://eddb.io/body/13378

Delphi also has it's own section on the Omphalos wiki page

" Most accounts locate the Delphi omphalos in the adyton (sacred part of the temple) near the Pythia (oracle). The stone sculpture itself (which may be a copy), has a carving of a knotted net covering its surface, and a hollow center, widening towards the base. The omphalos represents the stone which Rhea wrapped in swaddling clothes, pretending it was Zeus, in order to deceive Cronus. (Cronus was the father who swallowed his children so as to prevent them from usurping him as he had deposed his own father, Uranus).

Omphalos stones were believed to allow direct communication with the gods. Holland (1933) suggested that the stone was hollow to allow intoxicating vapours breathed by the Oracle to channel through it. Erwin Rohde wrote that the Python at Delphi was an earth spirit, who was conquered by Apollo and buried under the Omphalos. However, understanding of the use of the omphalos is uncertain due to destruction of the site by Theodosius I and Arcadius in the 4th century CE "


Omphalos was considered a stone sculpture or just a stone in general.

There is much information going around in just these two wikis.

I figure Delphi is in the middle of what is going on with Raxxla and figure I spread some light and hopefully get more help or anyone interested in searching through all this info to find similarities between what is going on in game and what info is giving to us by wiki. Or maybe we can find someone who has more insight with these sort of Greek mythology of what I posted.

Edit: I highlighted the description of stone sculpture due to the fact that this description represented the same ideas giving on this forum of Raxxla and how it looks liked as well as the symbol which possibly the best indication of a close resemblance on what we are looking for.

Edit2: On Pythia Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythia

Who is also known as the Oracle of Delphi there were many Authors who mention the Oracle herself many famous authors (show on the link provided above on the 2nd paragraph) But what will include on this edit is the way Oracle told her prophecies.

" One of the main stories claimed that the Pythia delivered oracles in a frenzied state induced by vapours rising from a chasm in the rock, and that she spoke gibberish which priests interpreted as the enigmatic prophecies and turned them into poetic dactylic hexameters preserved in Greek literature."

I am in no way a expert in poetry on the use of dactylic hexameter or any related form of Hexameter but this has brought me to the thought of the a part of the Raxxla codex and the mention of "Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars" (Astrophel and Stella).

I had mention this before on this forum I believe but never considered the fact that the Oracle of Delphi was the one using dactylic hexameter in the use for her prophecies.
 
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Dark Wheel station could be the key to finding Raxxla


The way I see it

  • Raxxla is confirmed to be in the game
  • We are having trouble to find Raxxla directly because Dark Wheel finally found it and hid it from everyone 'not worthy' (speculation)
  • If Raxxla is inside permit locked system, could Dark Wheel be the ones that can issue the permit?
So, finding Dark Wheel station may be the first and most important step in fulfilling necessary attunement to enter/use Raxxla (whatever that turns out to be).


Some important observations

  • Frontier clearly wants us to find this station. Quote from Codex: "...this starport is still in use, and is the only means whereby the genuine Dark Wheel can verify its identity; new inductees can examine the record and artefacts preserved there, and thus satisfy themselves that the group has indeed been operating for centuries."
  • Frontier said that there will be no clues besides what's written in the Codex, which would imply that there will be no false leads either (common sense)
  • Another quote from Dark Wheel Codex entry: "...the original group was based in a disused starport orbiting the eighth moon of an unnamed gas giant. The station was toroid, hence 'wheel', and operated with a minimal power output so as to avoid detection, hence 'dark'."
Therefore, the image of Dark Wheel station in Codex is the most important visual clue which I'm basing my research on.


What I did

I've been using a list of all 8th moons that are orbiting gas giants (up to 500 Ly from Sol, but Delphi may be better choice) which was compiled by CMDR Fartlily by pulling large amounts of data from EDSM json files and filtered to show only said bodies (8th moons). There are 5031 moons that satisfy this criteria, but after I started to check them out and compare them to Codex image I've noticed that:

a) moons are too far away from the star

or

b) star is just too small to match the Codex image perfectly

Naturally, I started to think how to narrow the search pattern even further and decided to check moons only orbiting first gas giant in the system. There was one moon at 684 Ls distance from main star (closest I could find so far), but the moon was still too distant and nothing like Codex image.
Next, I filtered map with only M and T-type stars for which I believe are only types that match the Codex image. And finally, I decided to skip populated systems simply because there is no way such secretive faction would risk being detected due to random traffic.

I approached every moon that matched my criteria with my ship and went full circle around it looking carefully for very faint station light, but inside 200 Ly area I found nothing so far. I will keep looking, but that list definitely needs more refinement so I contacted author to see if he can help any further.

Finally, to sum it up, these are my guidelines for finding the right 8th moon of a gas giant with Dark Wheel station in its orbit:

  • It's in a system with M or T-type star
  • Moon is orbiting first or possibly second gas giant
  • System is unpopulated

It is just theorycraft so feel free to correct me or make a suggestion.

o7
 
As many of you know, I believe I have located the initiation rites of the DW and that the trick to this riddle is the uncovering
and retracing of the steps of the path of the initiation rites and the historic journey's of Alexander The Great (Alex Ryder The Great.)

Here's a condensed version of my supportive evidence and my analysis of the Dark Wheel codex.

Aganippe is a system in game.
Aganippe is another name for Demetur, Demeter, as many of you know, was the founder of the Eleusinian (Elysia) Mysteries.
It was a 9 day initiation in Athens that would turn mortals to Immortals if they could pass the tests. It was a process of inner purification.

Aganippe Rush can be bought here.
"A neurological stimulant only available in Aganippe. Often used to temporarily increase the user's memory retention and awareness, it is a favourite among students and scholars. Recent reports have revealed that excessive use and abuse of the compound has been linked with psychotic episodes and hallucinations."
This is interesting because the last 2 final lessons in the Initiation Rites were, Know Thyself and Nothing in Excess.

The Aganippe system has 2 bodies, Boeotia and New Thebes. Alexander destroyed Thebes in Greece in the year 395 during the Battle Of Thebes.
The Julian Market station is there. Julian was an Emperor who claimed he was Alexander reincarnated through a process of Soul Transmigration, a tool of Immortals.
Although they die like a regular humans, their consciousness stayed intact from one life to the next and therefore they never forget who they are in each one, or so the story goes.

Also, according to Homer, Demeter fell in love with Jason (Ryder) of the Argonauts when she first saw him and they had a thing together after that.
Including laying in "Newly Ploughed Fields" with each other. (Elysia Fields?)

While on her journey Demeter found the rites very first initiate, Triptolemus.
Trip defines as journey and implies Triple, especially being that he was defined as a "Three-Fold Warrior." 3x elite.
Demeter was goddess of Harvest and her daughter Kora the goddess of Grain. Trip was the sower of grain and wheat.

He had a brother too, a failed initiate, Demophon, or Killer of Men. His initiation was a failure and as such he enjoyed killing.
Liz Ryder runs with Demolition Unlimited. Seems to me Demophon would go on to provide demolition unlimited as well.
Also worth noting. Democracy was born in Athens and we have 4 planets in the bubble named Democracy.
Historically Democracy followed in the wake of Alexander.

Aganippe/Demetur had the Blood-Eating Goddess Hecate to assist her on her journey to recover her daughter Persephone, aka Kora, from Hades.
The Hecate system provides the Terra Mater (Brotherhood of Earth) permit. In Terra Mater you can get the rare good Terra Mater Blood Bores.
"A potent physical stimulant produced using extracts of a native Terra Mater carnivorous plant. When added to the user's circulatory system, it allows a human to exert themselves far beyond their normal capabilities. The side effects are often permanent with increased likelihood of haemorrhaging and weight loss."

Worth mentioning as a side note.
The word Portal, while currently being defined as a doorway, gate, or other entrance, especially a large and imposing one,
was actually first used in the 14th century to also describe a communicating part or area of an organism,
specifically, the point at which something (such as a pathogen) enters the body.

Persephone/Kora, daughter of Zeus, was kidnapped by Hades when he ripped the ground open and swooped her up while she was picking flowers in Nysa.
At the time she was guarded by Sirens, but they failed to save her.
Meru is also a name for Nysa. In the Wakea system we have the body Meru and there is the Alexandra Station there.
Meru is defined as Spine and Wakea is a Hawaiian marriage of Heaven and Earth. Wakea is the story of the first born on the island of Hawaii in their creation story.
The Persephone system is featured in the Elite novel, Premonition, by our very own Drew Wagar. Chapter 18 features the Persephone system and it references the search for Raxxla.

When Alexander travelled far into Egypt to the Siwa Oasis to see the Oracle, Amun-Ra (Osiris), to confirm that he was the son of Zeus and a pharaoh,
he had stashed his wife Roxanne in a place called Epirus beforehand.
The system Bohmshohm has a planet named Epirus.
The mysterious (Not PMF) Low-Profile Workshop faction is there. Their motto is "Blending in is a statement."
The Bohmshohm system features in the Elite novel, Nemorensis, by Simon Spurrier. The subject matter about the system is one of sabotage and subterfuge
and secret access to sabotage. (Sorry, cannot find which chapter it is.)
Seems like something DW might be up to.

Now onto my analysis of DW codex.

"Think about how well know the stories are.."
What stories? Are there really any stories about the DW and their operations? They don't seem very well known to me, at least not at first.

Legendary group of Adventurers, Explorers, Investigators, and Treasure Hunters......Is generally considered a myth.
Legendary and Adventure is their calling card, Investigation is important and from this description it appears they'd likely have some pretty good intentions. Also, a Myth.

A Continuous and Clandestine Organization operating since the very earliest days of interstellar travel.
Continuous and from the Very Earliest Days.

Only a handful of the bravest and most competent of each generation are honoured with an Invitation...
The Martian relic was "No bigger than a child's hand."
It's gonna be so hard that most, if not all, will not succeed in getting an invitation. Invite only. Pass or don't pass. It will be hard and demanding.

It is futile to attempt to contact them....It Is They Who Initiate Contact, Initially In Disguise,
Seems to me that station won't be seen unless you pass their tests and they allow you to see it as an inductee.
They will initiate in Disguise. Demeter went in search of Kora while in the disguise of an old lady named Doso.

revealing their true identity only once a suitable Test Of Courage and Skill has been Discreetly Administered, and Passed.
Tests are Discreetly Administered. Not "Hey, we're the DW, follow us." You will need to investigate those you run into. Do not get caught up chasing NPC ships too long.
Also, how can you be tested for courage and skill? If this is purely fighting hard opponents, that's lame. What other ways can this be applied to the journey?

Opposing theories assert that new members are selected on basis of Lineage
Lineage, continuous, very earliest days.
Who were Alex and Jason related to than?
Ben Ryder? Who was he related to?

This starport is still in use...New Inductees can examine the records and Artefacts preserved there.
Only inductees will go inside. (Probably the only ones who will see it too.)

over the years, many people have claimed to be members of DW, to have Identified Some or All of the group's members.
But the Contradictory nature of these claims suggest most of them, if not all, are untrue.

Who are the people who have reported this? Any galnet articles? No! So where can we find these claims?

I hope this was presented better than my last attempts.

Thanks for reading.

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Oh good. Well, I was recently given 20 courier missions from the bubble to Colonia, not boom data delivery, if that's a matter. Since then, 1 week ago today, I have discovered 7 crashed ships sites (not rng wreckage) and 2 Unknown Wreckage sites. The UW sites appear to be something large like pieces of a station, however the logs appear to indicate it is a ship of sorts. 1 crash site has 4 ships and the log for that site appears to suggest non-human contact, as does one of the UW sites. 5 of the crashed ships were discovered through tip offs, all the rest were found through deciphering mythology related trackstl associated with Alexander the Greats travels.

To my great pleasure, the original missions sent me to Deriso, which means derision, or to mock. I figure at this point (hopefully) I will finally be given the evidence to put the mockery in its place.

Edit* I recently heard of cmdrs scanning logs of megaships which have been leading to tipoffs which I thought was interesting. It's not my approach, but good to see someone's getting results from investigative work.

It’s werid, I’ve done idk how many missions both from stations and ones offered via comms, been to mega ships, generation ships, all sorts of other things but I don’t recall ever once in my career receiving a tip off mission. I see other people get them but I never seem to. The NPC’s must think I look untrustworthy lol
 
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