EDSM doesn't care what happens to your ship after you've scanned a system and the data have been sent to EDSM. If you however want your tag on it, you need to get back and sell it. And that was only possible using the now removed double-boost.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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EDSM doesn't care what happens to your ship after you've scanned a system and the data have been sent to EDSM. If you however want your tag on it, you need to get back and sell it. And that was only possible using the now removed double-boost.
‘With eyes to see’ is Sir Philip Sidney’s sonnet-sequence in Astrophil and Stella an allegory of Homeric Odysseus?
I'd always wondered if 'maybe' Cmdrs were reading too much into Philip Sydney's text, looking for a literal road map from the romantic imagery. So I started looking for a literary analysis of the poem - connected to Greek myth.
"Poor Penelope. Penelope Rich":
Sir Philip Sidney's "Astrophil and Stella" as a Prototype for the Rewriting of the Odysseus Myth in "Ulysses" - Dieter Fuchs, James Joyce Quarterly Vol. 48, No. 2 (Winter 2011), pp. 350-356
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236820783_Poor_Penelope_Penelope_Rich_Sir_Philip_Sidney's_Astrophil_and_Stella_as_a_Prototype_for_the_Rewriting_of_the_Odysseus_Myth_in_Ulysses
'Stephen Dedalus compares, “Poor Penelope. Penelope Rich” drawing a correspondance between “poor” Penelope, of the Homeric Odysseus (“ITHACANS VOW PEN IS CHAMP”—U 7.1034), and Penelope Rich, the Elizabethan gentlewoman who inspired Sir Philip Sidney’s sonnet-sequence Astrophil and Stella.'
'The thirty-seventh sonnet of this collection repetitively foregrounds the word “rich” in describing the unattainable Stella, who is adored by Sidney’s persona Astrophil.'
'In an analogy to the Homeric myth, the 108 sonnets of the collection correspond to the number of Penelope’s suitors, which means that every single sonnet may be considered as a failed assault on her constancy. Whereas the historical Penelope Rich yielded to extramarital love, Stella resists Sidney’s lyrical “I,” Astrophil, who repeats his call for adultery 108 times, and remains faithful to her “Odyssean” spouse Robert Rich.'
'Sidney’s collection of 108 sonnets contributes to the intertextual framework of Ulysses.'
'There are 108 suitors: 52 from Dulichium, 24 from Same, 20 Achaeans from Zacynthus, and 12 from Ithaca.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitors_of_Penelope
'Interestingly, the 11 songs in the sonnet sequence and the stanzas of these songs total one hundred and eight, the number of Penelope's suitors in Homer's epic The Odyssey.'
https://thefablesoup.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/362/
This is how far I’ve reached with this particular train of thought, I have tried every suitors name in the ED gal map and nothing interesting seems to spring forth...
I don't believe we ought to dive too much down the rabbit hole but I've always had some suspicions the Odyssey is in some form connected.
The Odyssey also acts as an historical record of astronomy from the 8th century and a large number of authors have drawn different astronomical aspects from the Iliad and the Odyssey:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2011JAHH...14...22T
Tis only a hunch...
I'd always wondered if 'maybe' Cmdrs were reading too much into Philip Sydney's text, looking for a literal road map from the romantic imagery. So I started looking for a literary analysis of the poem - connected to Greek myth.
"Poor Penelope. Penelope Rich":
Sir Philip Sidney's "Astrophil and Stella" as a Prototype for the Rewriting of the Odysseus Myth in "Ulysses" - Dieter Fuchs, James Joyce Quarterly Vol. 48, No. 2 (Winter 2011), pp. 350-356
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236820783_Poor_Penelope_Penelope_Rich_Sir_Philip_Sidney's_Astrophil_and_Stella_as_a_Prototype_for_the_Rewriting_of_the_Odysseus_Myth_in_Ulysses
'Stephen Dedalus compares, “Poor Penelope. Penelope Rich” drawing a correspondance between “poor” Penelope, of the Homeric Odysseus (“ITHACANS VOW PEN IS CHAMP”—U 7.1034), and Penelope Rich, the Elizabethan gentlewoman who inspired Sir Philip Sidney’s sonnet-sequence Astrophil and Stella.'
'The thirty-seventh sonnet of this collection repetitively foregrounds the word “rich” in describing the unattainable Stella, who is adored by Sidney’s persona Astrophil.'
'In an analogy to the Homeric myth, the 108 sonnets of the collection correspond to the number of Penelope’s suitors, which means that every single sonnet may be considered as a failed assault on her constancy. Whereas the historical Penelope Rich yielded to extramarital love, Stella resists Sidney’s lyrical “I,” Astrophil, who repeats his call for adultery 108 times, and remains faithful to her “Odyssean” spouse Robert Rich.'
'Sidney’s collection of 108 sonnets contributes to the intertextual framework of Ulysses.'
'There are 108 suitors: 52 from Dulichium, 24 from Same, 20 Achaeans from Zacynthus, and 12 from Ithaca.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitors_of_Penelope
'Interestingly, the 11 songs in the sonnet sequence and the stanzas of these songs total one hundred and eight, the number of Penelope's suitors in Homer's epic The Odyssey.'
https://thefablesoup.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/362/
This is how far I’ve reached with this particular train of thought, I have tried every suitors name in the ED gal map and nothing interesting seems to spring forth...
I don't believe we ought to dive too much down the rabbit hole but I've always had some suspicions the Odyssey is in some form connected.
The Odyssey also acts as an historical record of astronomy from the 8th century and a large number of authors have drawn different astronomical aspects from the Iliad and the Odyssey:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2011JAHH...14...22T
Tis only a hunch...
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I dig it.
I also drew a connection from the sonnets to Penelope and Odysseus.
Odysseus found the famed Atlantis, the island of Ogygia, with the Siren Calypso, daughter of Atlas.
The island he landed on after escaping Ogygia was Scheria and the Queen of that island was Arete.
Arete, is the Queen of Virtue. Queen Virtue is featured in the opening line of Sonnet 9.
"Queen Vertues court, some call Stellas face,"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arete
Arete is also the name of King Alcinous' wife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcinous
"In the myth of Jason and the Argonauts, Alcinous is represented as living with his wife Arete in Drepane."
my thoughts on the Oddyssey and it's fits to the toast:
Whisperer in witch-space: The witch Circe? <tenuous>
Sirens of the deepest void: Sirens, and trip to hades.
Parents Grief: Odysseus mother, Anticlea, dies of grief
Lovers Woe: Penelope and the suitors
Yearning of our vagabond hearts: Odysseus disguised as a beggar
Non-fits:
To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies.
Odyssey Places:
So few of the places named in Homers odyssey are in game systems that reproducing Odysseus' path would be hard, which is a shame as it seemed a good match to much of the Toast, and fits the 'personal journey' comment.
YB
Whisperer in witch-space: The witch Circe? <tenuous>
Sirens of the deepest void: Sirens, and trip to hades.
Parents Grief: Odysseus mother, Anticlea, dies of grief
Lovers Woe: Penelope and the suitors
Yearning of our vagabond hearts: Odysseus disguised as a beggar
Non-fits:
To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies.
Odyssey Places:
| Place | In game? | Comments |
| Ithaca | Y | |
| Troy | N | |
| Ogygia (calypso) | N | calypso is a moon of saturn |
| Pylos | N | home of the Phaeceans - Facece? |
| Sparta | N | faction "spartan order",Luvalla |
| Mt Olympus | N | olympus trading corp, BD-05 2778 player faction * Mars home of the federation, of cours |
| Scheria | N | |
| Ismarus (Cicones) | N | |
| (Lotus Eaters) | N | (no name of place given by Homer?) |
| (Cyclops) | N | " |
| Aeolus | Y | |
| Laestrygonia | N | |
| Aeaea(Circe) | N | Circe is in game |
| Hades | N | not directly but there are similar place names |
| (Sirens) | N | (no name of place given by Homer?) |
| Scylla & Charybdis | N | Charybdis is the name of a ship dock in system 'Carthage' |
| Thrinacia | N |
So few of the places named in Homers odyssey are in game systems that reproducing Odysseus' path would be hard, which is a shame as it seemed a good match to much of the Toast, and fits the 'personal journey' comment.
YB
Probably just tinfoilery: From a hermetic perspective the personal journey one can only undertake alone would be travelling into the microcosm or rather ones self. The Alchemists shortcut for producing the philosophers stone was VITRIOL (at least that's something I've read ages ago). Meaning: Venere Interiorae Terrae Rechtificando Inertiae Occultum Lapidem. I don't know if that produces any sense but perhaps some kind of "inward" travel is necessary.
Um. Any hollowearthers here? [big grin]
Um. Any hollowearthers here? [big grin]
So. And wasn't the Philosophers Stone in the more prosaic non hermetic sense always said to turn matter into gold?
Another thought that occurred to me - we were meant to be able to find R before the codex existed (at least it's implied). I started going over what information that already existed that you might go on for a lead.. there is _so_ little ! The players manual is an obvious possible source - I spent some time examining the technical drawings on the covers etc. - very little of interest in the drawings, but there is a drawing number, and there are several distinct sets of numbers:
749 942 12 229 Front cover top left & back cover
942 W 12 229 Front cover bottom right & back cover
C 749 942 PL W 12 229 Internal pages bottom left mirrored - this one seems to be the complete number...
Other than that a few quite well know systems in screen shots - nothing odd looking - they do show Styx in the gal map and Ovid has a ship stored. Also Arcturus is in one shot too.
Since we're clutching at straws ;-)
YB
749 942 12 229 Front cover top left & back cover
942 W 12 229 Front cover bottom right & back cover
C 749 942 PL W 12 229 Internal pages bottom left mirrored - this one seems to be the complete number...
Other than that a few quite well know systems in screen shots - nothing odd looking - they do show Styx in the gal map and Ovid has a ship stored. Also Arcturus is in one shot too.
Since we're clutching at straws ;-)
YB
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Just to rule this out, I flew an Eagle from ShinDez to Delphi and docked at The Oracle.
Nothing happened.
2A fuel scoop sucks.
In the original 'Dark Wheel' story, selling a specific good at a station was what attracted attention.
Can't hurt to bring some random stuff and sell it at The Oracle.
Maybe waters of Shintara, Lavian brandy, grain, other goods.
I'm pretty sure The Oracle is a station that was added since 2004, so it can't have been part of the original Raxxla plan.
I'm wondering if the Dark Wheel station was recently added to the galaxy along with a quest line.
Nobody has mentioned them having a station before now, right?
The original story had Alex Ryder selling "Shanaskilk fur" (doesn't exist in ED) from the planet Xezoar (also doesn't exist in ED).
The only planet in ED that exists with the same name in the story is Lave.
Nothing happened.
2A fuel scoop sucks.
In the original 'Dark Wheel' story, selling a specific good at a station was what attracted attention.
Can't hurt to bring some random stuff and sell it at The Oracle.
Maybe waters of Shintara, Lavian brandy, grain, other goods.
I'm pretty sure The Oracle is a station that was added since 2004, so it can't have been part of the original Raxxla plan.
I'm wondering if the Dark Wheel station was recently added to the galaxy along with a quest line.
Nobody has mentioned them having a station before now, right?
The original story had Alex Ryder selling "Shanaskilk fur" (doesn't exist in ED) from the planet Xezoar (also doesn't exist in ED).
The only planet in ED that exists with the same name in the story is Lave.
And Tionisla, etc. etc.
So I dig the deeper dive into Odysseus but how come people have written off the Cora story?
Analysis
'Cora comes home soused and raving with wild stories, a new one every night. She claims she's found a map to some pirate stash, and all I have to do is loan her my ship so we can go dig it up. Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!"
'pirate stash'
"dig it up"
"Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!"
The only thing that disappeared around this time?
If the non-human relic was stolen from Mars by pirates, This mysterious treasure could very well be the relic. It just so happens that there is a system that has a myth about buried treasure:
Sali'naman === 96.47LY ===> Sol
Sali'naman === 89.79LY ===> Tau Ceti
I know how much ED players love a good scavenger hunt so maybe I can get a few extra hands to tear this planet apart. Regardless on whether or not we find something Raxxla related this planet has a secret to discover.
-Void
Analysis
'Cora comes home soused and raving with wild stories, a new one every night. She claims she's found a map to some pirate stash, and all I have to do is loan her my ship so we can go dig it up. Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!"
'pirate stash'
Implication being these items are stolen.
"dig it up"
The treasure Cora is referring to is buried. This insinuates that it is/was on a land-able body and possibly half buried into the surface like a crashed ship.
"Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!"
Two interpretations of this line can be made that change the entire context of the quote:
A) In 2296 Raxxla was deemed impossible to find thus Art's intention is to not take Cora and find the stash or Raxxla.
-The tone of the first line of this quote establishes Art's distaste for Cora's constant state of drunkenness and leads credence to this interpretation.
B) Raxxla was/is findable with Art intending on lending Cora his ship and locating both Raxxla plus the stash.
-The '!' is used to emphasize excitement and if this line is reread in an excited tone, eliminating all sarcasm, it can be taken at literal value
A) In 2296 Raxxla was deemed impossible to find thus Art's intention is to not take Cora and find the stash or Raxxla.
-The tone of the first line of this quote establishes Art's distaste for Cora's constant state of drunkenness and leads credence to this interpretation.
B) Raxxla was/is findable with Art intending on lending Cora his ship and locating both Raxxla plus the stash.
-The '!' is used to emphasize excitement and if this line is reread in an excited tone, eliminating all sarcasm, it can be taken at literal value
The only thing that disappeared around this time?
Beacon: Non-Human Relic [Sol]
In 2280, the first non-human relic was found in space. The object was found buried on Mars; it was no bigger than a child's hand and is still surrounded in secrecy, even in 3300. No information has ever been circulated as to the properties of this item or its origin, other than it is non-human.
In 2280, the first non-human relic was found in space. The object was found buried on Mars; it was no bigger than a child's hand and is still surrounded in secrecy, even in 3300. No information has ever been circulated as to the properties of this item or its origin, other than it is non-human.
If the non-human relic was stolen from Mars by pirates, This mysterious treasure could very well be the relic. It just so happens that there is a system that has a myth about buried treasure:
Beacon: Sali'naman Visitor Beacon
Local legend tells of a stash from a local pirate gang on this world. Many people have searched for it, but none have found it. Most sensible travellers claim that it doesn't exist.
Local legend tells of a stash from a local pirate gang on this world. Many people have searched for it, but none have found it. Most sensible travellers claim that it doesn't exist.
Sali'naman === 96.47LY ===> Sol
Sali'naman === 89.79LY ===> Tau Ceti
I know how much ED players love a good scavenger hunt so maybe I can get a few extra hands to tear this planet apart. Regardless on whether or not we find something Raxxla related this planet has a secret to discover.
-Void
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So whether or not you go with Cora or not, so to speak.. the mars relic is definitely in there among the 'gosh-that's odd' list of ED mysteries. And humankind's space exploration and terraforming abilities suddenly take off after its found.
There is a large paragraph in a small codex entry dedicated to Cora and Art, so there has to be more to it than the date 2296...
I'd be up for a rummage, though I'm far away at the moment. One thing , though , it goes against the 'R was in from the beginning' statement as it would need Horizons.
Great work connecting those two! Let the sub-quest begin o7
YB
There is a large paragraph in a small codex entry dedicated to Cora and Art, so there has to be more to it than the date 2296...
I'd be up for a rummage, though I'm far away at the moment. One thing , though , it goes against the 'R was in from the beginning' statement as it would need Horizons.
Great work connecting those two! Let the sub-quest begin o7
YB
Raaxla noob here, questions follow:
1) Raaxla is in the game, yes?
2) Assuming #1, have developers indicated that Raaxla is actually in a location than can be deduced via detective work and not just located in some RNG system out in the galaxy?
3) Related to #2, how were sites like the ghost ship in Formidine Rift first found - were there "clues" that led to their discovery?
This thread intrigues me, but I don't want to get too invested if it's all just for naught.
1) Raaxla is in the game, yes?
2) Assuming #1, have developers indicated that Raaxla is actually in a location than can be deduced via detective work and not just located in some RNG system out in the galaxy?
3) Related to #2, how were sites like the ghost ship in Formidine Rift first found - were there "clues" that led to their discovery?
This thread intrigues me, but I don't want to get too invested if it's all just for naught.
1) Yes
2) There will be no clues
3) Think brute force and dumb luck, but not sure. A rifter will know for sure.
It will most likely be for naught.
Go read the first page where all the facts are clearly stated - then welcome to the hunt
Apologies - I assumed the OP was as old as the date (2015), glad to see that it is being kept current!
One reason for my recent interest is because I've been thoroughly exploring a very "intriguing" region of space for many months now, and I sometimes wonder if there is a "wonder" to be found here. You'll forgive me if I keep my location secret for now, but if I ever do find Raaxla, I'll happily share its location!
BTW, the planet will be actually called Raxxla, right?
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It is more likely to be called Raxxla
What? Wait, I actually found THAT planet!!!!