The Quest To Find Raxxla

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Noobilite said:
No, I'm refering to the source of the statement from the video I watched. They have never said it was a little big obvious. I watched the livestream where DB stated this and rewatched it in the past in regards to this. The statement about it being a little bit obvious is not a clue to raxxla. It was about the question of how obvious it is certain things come up as subjects in questions in live stream. That is the origin of that statement. It was not a clue in any sense.

It would not even work at a clue on top of it because that does not actually say anything. People just got worked up over people talking about this and it keeps being repeated. It was never a clue about raxxla. It's not even helpful. Anything you know instantly becomes a little bit obvious by definition.
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The ‘tiny bit obvious’ isn’t from the video with David Braben that you watched. Not sure where you’ve got the impression that people thought it was. It’s from a completely different (and quite a bit older) video and was said by Michael Brookes. It’s linked to on the FP.

It is absolutely, 100% a Raxxla related statement.

I do think having the context of the rest of what was said is pretty important though, hence why I retranscribed all the relevant bit from the video and posted it on here just the other day - see the link I gave you, or the Q&A bit from the middle of Xaintly’s reply.

Hope that clears things up.
 

Six6VI

Six6VI
Xaintly said:
I think we can agree that "tiny bit obvious" is a failure; whatever they put in to make it obvious is something most players don't pay attention to.
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It's also entirely possible that any CMDR competent enough to make it out of a mail slot has flown right past an obvious but symbolic clue, hidden right under our noses in plain sight at least once, if not hundreds or even thousands of times.

The problem is, it won't be obvious until after it's recognised.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Agent75 said:
Has anyone noticed anything strange when viewing a pulsar* neutron star through their fss?
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I see Will Smith.

iu

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CMDR Big Mike

CMDR Big Mike
Six6VI said:
It's also entirely possible that any CMDR competent enough to make it out of a mail slot has flown right past an obvious but symbolic clue, hidden right under our noses in plain sight at least once, if not hundreds or even thousands of times.

The problem is, it won't be obvious until after it's recognised.
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After a couple months of searching myself, i came to a similar conclusion. The only solid clue is the codex so far. This one clue.... With one data point we can have any number of wild conclusions (as exemplified by this thread). What we need is a second clue. With 2 points, a trajectory is established. We will be able to move in a meaningful direction. otherwise we are lost looking for ...something... in a stack of 400 billion needles.

I have put my search on hold until another clue comes through the codex
 

wetwire

wetwire
A problem with Raxxla's time frame.

The premise of this discussion is that the myth of Raxxla's first recorded appearance is not enough time for humans to have explored far from SOL.
Some raw data first.
Year 2097 - The first Generation ships where deployed.
Year 2100 - The first hyperdrive was invented
Year 2151 - The first colony was set up at Tau Ceti
Year 2296 - The first mention of the word Raxxla
Year 2800 - The Faraway Jump system was developed (Hyperdrive Type 0)

The Generation Ship Problem
Now if the rumors of Raxxla where first propagated by the Generation ships that started back in 2097 the position of Raxxla (assuming an astrological body) could be found in a small 44.77LY bubble around SOL. To reach this conclusion we take a look at the generation ships we have found thus far. The most distant one discovered by CMDR Swift Viizions and CMDR Nextmhgdanger on Aug 8 3304 in the Coelachi system. Which is 272.03LY from SOL. The difference between the First launch and First discovered date 3304 is 1207 Years. To figure the best reasonable sub-light speed of the Generation ships. 272.03LY divided by 1207 Years = 0.225LY/per year. (Sub-Light Speeds) Time from First launch to first Raxxla report 2097 - 2296 = 199 Years. 0.225LY X 199 Years = 44.77LY bubble around SOL.

The First Hyperdrive Problem
The first hyperdrives developed in Year 2100 have very vague descriptions of their capabilities. Have yet to find the actual distance they could travel. Biased on flavor text of the drives i assume they could only achieve super-cruise capabilities. They are described as the first Faster-then-light drive, no witch-space or tunneling yet. The only descriptive text i could find about them related to range was this. "[FONT=&quot]The discovery of a workable hyperspace theory and the design of the first unreliable, inefficient and slow 'faster than light' drive (compared to those we are used to in 3300) opened the possibility of exploration and settlement. A new frontier of science and engineering opened, confirmed by the first detailed messages and system scans to be received back to [/FONT]Earth[FONT=&quot] from an interstellar probe sent to the [/FONT]Tau Ceti[FONT=&quot]system years earlier.[/FONT]" We know Tau Ceti is 11.94LY from SOL. it describes the time frame as "years" to reach its destination. So more then 1 year. 2 years would be a couple, and 3 years described as a few. I have assumed "years" is meaning 4-5 year travel time to reach Tau Ceti. This puts the first drives capable of covering 2.98LY per Year of travel. 11.97LY / 4 = 2.98LY.
With this ballpark guess the max range the early hyperdrives could reach by the time Raxxla was first used in conversation was, 584.08LY from SOL. With a max round trip range of 292.04LY. (First Raxxla report 2296 - First Hyperdrive 2100 = 196 Years. 2.98LY X 196Years = 584.08LY Max Range.

Both of these do not factor in the time it takes for a report/rumor to become a legend/myth Which would only serve to reduce the range from SOL that the report of Raxxla would originate from.
If the dates are to be trusted, and my guess of the first hyperdrives capabilities are true. this Puts the origins of the Raxxla myth to originate from a system within a bubble around SOL that only extends 584.08 Light Years. This is extremely close for something that has yet to be found given how often the habitable bubble is traveled on a daily bases.
 

Garand1987

G
wetwire said:
A problem with Raxxla's time frame.

The premise of this discussion is that the myth of Raxxla's first recorded appearance is not enough time for humans to have explored far from SOL.
Some raw data first.
Year 2097 - The first Generation ships where deployed.
Year 2100 - The first hyperdrive was invented
Year 2151 - The first colony was set up at Tau Ceti
Year 2296 - The first mention of the word Raxxla
Year 2800 - The Faraway Jump system was developed (Hyperdrive Type 0)

The Generation Ship Problem
Now if the rumors of Raxxla where first propagated by the Generation ships that started back in 2097 the position of Raxxla (assuming an astrological body) could be found in a small 44.77LY bubble around SOL. To reach this conclusion we take a look at the generation ships we have found thus far. The most distant one discovered by CMDR Swift Viizions and CMDR Nextmhgdanger on Aug 8 3304 in the Coelachi system. Which is 272.03LY from SOL. The difference between the First launch and First discovered date 3304 is 1207 Years. To figure the best reasonable sub-light speed of the Generation ships. 272.03LY divided by 1207 Years = 0.225LY/per year. (Sub-Light Speeds) Time from First launch to first Raxxla report 2097 - 2296 = 199 Years. 0.225LY X 199 Years = 44.77LY bubble around SOL.

The First Hyperdrive Problem
The first hyperdrives developed in Year 2100 have very vague descriptions of their capabilities. Have yet to find the actual distance they could travel. Biased on flavor text of the drives i assume they could only achieve super-cruise capabilities. They are described as the first Faster-then-light drive, no witch-space or tunneling yet. The only descriptive text i could find about them related to range was this. "[FONT=&quot]The discovery of a workable hyperspace theory and the design of the first unreliable, inefficient and slow 'faster than light' drive (compared to those we are used to in 3300) opened the possibility of exploration and settlement. A new frontier of science and engineering opened, confirmed by the first detailed messages and system scans to be received back to [/FONT]Earth[FONT=&quot] from an interstellar probe sent to the [/FONT]Tau Ceti[FONT=&quot]system years earlier.[/FONT]" We know Tau Ceti is 11.94LY from SOL. it describes the time frame as "years" to reach its destination. So more then 1 year. 2 years would be a couple, and 3 years described as a few. I have assumed "years" is meaning 4-5 year travel time to reach Tau Ceti. This puts the first drives capable of covering 2.98LY per Year of travel. 11.97LY / 4 = 2.98LY.
With this ballpark guess the max range the early hyperdrives could reach by the time Raxxla was first used in conversation was, 584.08LY from SOL. With a max round trip range of 292.04LY. (First Raxxla report 2296 - First Hyperdrive 2100 = 196 Years. 2.98LY X 196Years = 584.08LY Max Range.

Both of these do not factor in the time it takes for a report/rumor to become a legend/myth Which would only serve to reduce the range from SOL that the report of Raxxla would originate from.
If the dates are to be trusted, and my guess of the first hyperdrives capabilities are true. this Puts the origins of the Raxxla myth to originate from a system within a bubble around SOL that only extends 584.08 Light Years. This is extremely close for something that has yet to be found given how often the habitable bubble is traveled on a daily bases.
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That is true. But having spent some time brute force searching an area 100ly from sol (radius) and An area between Grandmort and Brohman/Lanaest I can say that there exists a large number (and in the case of the Grandmort area the vast majority) of systems that are mostly unmapped if not completely unmapped. Which comes as a bit of a surprise to me to be honest.
Personally, I’d think Raxxla is relatively close, and I also don’t think Soontill that is in game is the actual Soontill (a ruse set up either by CIEP or TWD to keep their treasure hidden. Unless the description of Soontill was retconned immediately and they don’t bother to mention it to anyone, even their official author). Raxxla may not be marked “Raxxla” on a honk. You may need to map the planet and discover it’s locations first.
If Raxxla, like Soontill (supposedly a Thargoid area so it should be a low G planet in a system with an ammonia world or ammonia gas giant) is an alien world as described we could lower our “deep search” parameters by what we know of the 2 alien species that are known to be in game.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
wetwire said:
A problem with Raxxla's time frame.

The premise of this discussion is that the myth of Raxxla's first recorded appearance is not enough time for humans to have explored far from SOL.
Some raw data first.
Year 2097 - The first Generation ships where deployed.
Year 2100 - The first hyperdrive was invented
Year 2151 - The first colony was set up at Tau Ceti
Year 2296 - The first mention of the word Raxxla
Year 2800 - The Faraway Jump system was developed (Hyperdrive Type 0)
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Are you sure about these dates? That's only three years between the first Generation Ships and the introduction of FTL travel. At 0.225LY/per year for the Generation Ships, three years isn't even enough time for them to have left the Sol System.

According to Drew Wagar's hyperspace lore, Hyperspace wasn't discovered until the 2200s.
https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-hyperspace/
 
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Garand1987

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If, however, that is true, maybe Raxxla is the anti Soontill. The Gaurdian equivalent of the Thargoid Soontill, hence TDW split over which planet was more important to pursue. If that’s the case, we’ll thats a bit of bad news given how little we have to go on. Guardian ruins have been found all over the place, well out to the core of the galaxy.
 

Garand1987

G
JesusRocks1988 said:
Are you sure about these dates? That's only three years between the first Generation Ships and the introduction of FTL travel. At 0.225LY/per year for the Generation Ships, three years isn't even enough time for them to have left the Sol System.
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It is but the FTL travel was rudimentary and not widely used in manned vessels. The FSD (able to jump by itself, over long distance, and without a pre-made tunnel system) is quite new. According to MB it came into use just before 3300, and the major powers still haven’t adjusted to it yet. Before then hyperspace was mostly used for launching probes to potential habitable systems, or on trial basis by exceptionally brave pilots.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
Garand1987 said:
It is but the FTL travel was rudimentary and not widely used in manned vessels. The FSD (able to jump by itself, over long distance, and without a pre-made tunnel system) is quite new. According to MB it came into use just before 3300, and the major powers still haven’t adjusted to it yet. Before then hyperspace was mostly used for launching probes to potential habitable systems, or on trial basis by exceptionally brave pilots.
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I just made an edit to my original post, but I'll put it here as well. According to Drew Wagar's hyperspace lore: https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-hyperspace/, hyperspace wasn't discovered until the 2200s. I'll still take Drew as the authority on this, as IIRC, it was put into the game as a Galnet article a long time ago.
 

wetwire

wetwire
JesusRocks1988 said:
I just made an edit to my original post, but I'll put it here as well. According to Drew Wagar's hyperspace lore: https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-hyperspace/, hyperspace wasn't discovered until the 2200s. I'll still take Drew as the authority on this, as IIRC, it was put into the game as a Galnet article a long time ago.
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I saw Drew's information on the history of Hyperdrive. even at 2800 this is well after the first report of Raxxla meaning to say the rumor was a myth before space travel? the Raxxla codex implies the author mentioning the Raxxla myth had a ship able to travel space to follow a "pirate map".
So i had to look before 2800 to find a reasonable method humans could explore the galaxy and develop the Raxxla rumor.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
wetwire said:
I saw Drew's information on the history of Hyperdrive. even at 2800 this is well after the first report of Raxxla meaning to say the rumor was a myth before space travel? the Raxxla codex implies the author mentioning the Raxxla myth had a ship able to travel space to follow a "pirate map".
So i had to look before 2800 to find a reasonable method humans could explore the galaxy and develop the Raxxla rumor.
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Achenar was colonized in about 2300. Jump capability wasn’t that bad, back then.
Faraway and quirium drives were GalCop specific systems, designed to limit pilots from traveling outside the eight maps.

The rest of the galaxy probably used the same system as in Fe:2, where one max distance jump took 1 week.
 

Eckee

Eckee
wetwire said:
A problem with Raxxla's time frame.

The premise of this discussion is that the myth of Raxxla's first recorded appearance is not enough time for humans to have explored far from SOL.
Some raw data first.
Year 2097 - The first Generation ships where deployed.
Year 2100 - The first hyperdrive was invented
Year 2151 - The first colony was set up at Tau Ceti
Year 2296 - The first mention of the word Raxxla
Year 2800 - The Faraway Jump system was developed (Hyperdrive Type 0)

The Generation Ship Problem
Now if the rumors of Raxxla where first propagated by the Generation ships that started back in 2097 the position of Raxxla (assuming an astrological body) could be found in a small 44.77LY bubble around SOL. To reach this conclusion we take a look at the generation ships we have found thus far. The most distant one discovered by CMDR Swift Viizions and CMDR Nextmhgdanger on Aug 8 3304 in the Coelachi system. Which is 272.03LY from SOL. The difference between the First launch and First discovered date 3304 is 1207 Years. To figure the best reasonable sub-light speed of the Generation ships. 272.03LY divided by 1207 Years = 0.225LY/per year. (Sub-Light Speeds) Time from First launch to first Raxxla report 2097 - 2296 = 199 Years. 0.225LY X 199 Years = 44.77LY bubble around SOL.

The First Hyperdrive Problem
The first hyperdrives developed in Year 2100 have very vague descriptions of their capabilities. Have yet to find the actual distance they could travel. Biased on flavor text of the drives i assume they could only achieve super-cruise capabilities. They are described as the first Faster-then-light drive, no witch-space or tunneling yet. The only descriptive text i could find about them related to range was this. "The discovery of a workable hyperspace theory and the design of the first unreliable, inefficient and slow 'faster than light' drive (compared to those we are used to in 3300) opened the possibility of exploration and settlement. A new frontier of science and engineering opened, confirmed by the first detailed messages and system scans to be received back to Earth from an interstellar probe sent to the Tau Cetisystem years earlier." We know Tau Ceti is 11.94LY from SOL. it describes the time frame as "years" to reach its destination. So more then 1 year. 2 years would be a couple, and 3 years described as a few. I have assumed "years" is meaning 4-5 year travel time to reach Tau Ceti. This puts the first drives capable of covering 2.98LY per Year of travel. 11.97LY / 4 = 2.98LY.
With this ballpark guess the max range the early hyperdrives could reach by the time Raxxla was first used in conversation was, 584.08LY from SOL. With a max round trip range of 292.04LY. (First Raxxla report 2296 - First Hyperdrive 2100 = 196 Years. 2.98LY X 196Years = 584.08LY Max Range.

Both of these do not factor in the time it takes for a report/rumor to become a legend/myth Which would only serve to reduce the range from SOL that the report of Raxxla would originate from.
If the dates are to be trusted, and my guess of the first hyperdrives capabilities are true. this Puts the origins of the Raxxla myth to originate from a system within a bubble around SOL that only extends 584.08 Light Years. This is extremely close for something that has yet to be found given how often the habitable bubble is traveled on a daily bases.
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This the exact reason why I think Raxxla and TDW station are not reachable with regular ways. There must be millions of people travelling around the bubble -excluding us, players- not to mention Federation and Empire military, intelligence, spec ops and spies, it would be impossible for them to stay hidden to this date.

And PF permit lock wouldn’t stop those militaries and powerful corporations as they could’ve travelled there in SC or with the drives of capital ships which I forgot the names of. It’s impossible for us players but lorewise it should surely be possible without FSD.

If TDW station and Raxxla are in a visible system in galmap in few hundreds of LY range, permit locked or not, it would definately be unrealistic.
 

MrMarkusCZ

MrMarkusCZ
What about star system not displayed in navigation panel / galaxy map? Time to travel to old systems and check sky map for star not in galaxy map? And if such star really exists travel to it without hyperspace jump?
 
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