External View [A definitive discussion]
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Ramireza
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A replay function and the possibilty to switch views in this replay would be awesome and could realy help the game : Imgagine the posibilities to create fan made trailers! Sport Games like Fifa or Pro Evolution Soccer had these since years, it should be that hard to implement such stuff.
It brakes immersionYou get a hightend sense of whats going on around you, since you can see more then when you're in the cockpit. So it will give you an advantage over somebody who is not using it.
Just feels unrealistic. Hope they will never implement this.
So do not use it then.
Because you do not want your immersion broken does not mean that the facility should not be there for others. Whether it is a flying camera or an after flight review mode, what ever.
As for breaking immersion that argument looks really weak when compared to the real world. Vehicle makers are already installing outside camera views on vehicles to help with parking and manoeuvring, and go pro cameras are showing 3rd person views in many places on vehicles, in fact aircraft are already installing outside monitoring cameras for pilots to view critical areas. Go Pro's being used to allow 3rd person control of model aircraft and quad copters.
This space sim is years into the future from todays date so it would be logical that views would be enhanced with cameras both fixed and tethered to the space vehicle, and even fly around observation cameras.
I think in just about every space film, and sci fi space travel book I have viewed there have been exploration and inspection probes carrying cameras and sensing equipment.
In fact we have a probe about to land on an asteroid that is being guided remotely from earth with commands being sent to it instead of a pilot on board, how's that for immersion breaking?
As I said if you don't want to use it if it is added in game then don't use it. As regards fighting with anything other than cockpit view, okay I can just about go with that. But I am dubious that many years into the future there would not be projection equipment that would be linked to computer assisted fighting. That's where I really see the immersion argument falling down a little, as a dog fighting in space system based on WW2 air warfare to me is pretty immersion breaking anyway.
But this is Elite and even with that immersion breaking fighting system it is still a fantastic game/sim/exploration/trading/exploring experience. I can live with that immersion breaking as DB wants the game to be fun and it is. So how about the immersion guys letting others have a little bit of what makes fun for them.
this "immersion" i..... pls rename yu commander immersion ... i would like to know it and take every chance to grief you
even if it means ramming my ship with full speed into yours on docking
all the people who fear an outside view are just moronic idiots for me
since years and years space games had great panorama view and free cams implemented for good screenshoots and videos
everyone loved the outside views of there ships in the old elite . or the x serie . or other space games
just a few ... blockading it here is an joke
its an even greater joke they lisen to such ....
even if it means ramming my ship with full speed into yours on docking
all the people who fear an outside view are just moronic idiots for me
since years and years space games had great panorama view and free cams implemented for good screenshoots and videos
everyone loved the outside views of there ships in the old elite . or the x serie . or other space games
just a few ... blockading it here is an joke
its an even greater joke they lisen to such ....
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Well an idiot here will say:
Please avoid 3d person views.
This would move the general idea of the Sim to an arcade experience, bringing a lot of people of other kind of games an ruining what i find the most futuristic and revolutionary idea of what a space sim of this century would be.
People have a lot of games for playing that way, let ED keep its original idea, i want to be limited by the real feel of being in a cockpit, and that idea is broken if everybody else doesn´t have it, just play games like War thunder trying to dogfight from inside the canopy against everybody who has external views and you will understand what i mean.
It´s interesting if i can feel it as real, a real fantasy of being in space and looking everything like i was there, is time for this experience, is time for oculus, is time for inmmersion, i love the idea of, if i have my ship damaged i can´t see the real damage until i am in a spaceport, or if it´s implemented, moving my virtual body outside my ship and see it by my own virtual eyes with the risk ivolved in that, like all the fiction movies we have been watching for years.
There will be always people for every kind of tastes and opinions, that´s fine, but i have been disconnected for years from gaming because i´m tired of seing all the time the same player´s experience, now i think something is changing people says they want what they always had, can´t understand it and i can´t stand it.
Let´s make history.
Please avoid 3d person views.
This would move the general idea of the Sim to an arcade experience, bringing a lot of people of other kind of games an ruining what i find the most futuristic and revolutionary idea of what a space sim of this century would be.
People have a lot of games for playing that way, let ED keep its original idea, i want to be limited by the real feel of being in a cockpit, and that idea is broken if everybody else doesn´t have it, just play games like War thunder trying to dogfight from inside the canopy against everybody who has external views and you will understand what i mean.
It´s interesting if i can feel it as real, a real fantasy of being in space and looking everything like i was there, is time for this experience, is time for oculus, is time for inmmersion, i love the idea of, if i have my ship damaged i can´t see the real damage until i am in a spaceport, or if it´s implemented, moving my virtual body outside my ship and see it by my own virtual eyes with the risk ivolved in that, like all the fiction movies we have been watching for years.
There will be always people for every kind of tastes and opinions, that´s fine, but i have been disconnected for years from gaming because i´m tired of seing all the time the same player´s experience, now i think something is changing people says they want what they always had, can´t understand it and i can´t stand it.
Let´s make history.
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But, if nerfs are put in place such that external views in combat (or the like) are actually a disadvantage? See the first post in the thread for a summary of this.
This stuff sounds interesting. I would like to know more. Please provide provide a link to a car that comes with an external chase cam.
No?
Okay, how about a plane with some kind of drone orbiting it that allows for cool external views?
Oh.
Right then. Is there any type of land/sea/air/space vehicle with the capacity to provide automated, fully external, real-time controllable views to the vehicle's operator, i.e. views that are delivered by cameras that are not attached in any way to the vehicle itself?
I didn't think so.
I personally feel the drone camera idea is stretching it a little in terms of credibility personally, but I guess that people really really want to take "space selfies", so that mechanism works without offering any actual gameplay advantages.
this "immersion" i..... pls rename yu commander immersion ... i would like to know it and take every chance to grief you
And this is why we can't have nice things. Can there be such a thing as a bounty in-game for "crimes against language" please Frontier?
Unclear what your first sentence has to do with offering a view (of your ship) via a drone?
Much easier to catch flies with honey.
In the same vein, it's difficult to debate your points if you insist on having your debaters stop listening.
this "immersion" i..... pls rename yu commander immersion ... i would like to know it and take every chance to grief you
even if it means ramming my ship with full speed into yours on docking
all the people who fear an outside view are just moronic idiots for me
since years and years space games had great panorama view and free cams implemented for good screenshoots and videos
everyone loved the outside views of there ships in the old elite . or the x serie . or other space games
just a few ... blockading it here is an joke
its an even greater joke they lisen to such ....
ok...thank god the devs wont implement it.
Dude, that' not even what the guy you're responding to was talking about. Not sure how you missed it, but Saliddry was being less than sociable and THAT'S what DaHunn was responding to.
You're getting a little twitchy with the third-person thing, here.
My bad! I wasn't sure, hence me starting with "Won't implement an external view?"
I'll remove my comment as it's seemingly out of context
Seems a bit trollish to me, your answer. I never claimed any of the things you are asking me to prove. Read my post again if it is that difficult to understand.
I made an observation of what is available in our modern DAY society then extrapolated our growth of knowledge to a future time that would allow an Elite Dangerous scenario to operate.
Let's imagine this + 1000yrs of development? - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpXabvpD2Mmh44LjXkHBq6Q
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But AI was banned in the Elite universe, so who is controlling what in this external view scenario? Surely some AI would be required?
I doesn't really matter anyway, magic floaty cam is not likely to happen according to the developers, so this thread is pretty much just circling the drain.
Maybe... But check the first part of first post on this thread? (Sandro Sammarco's comment)
Now let's imagine our pilot trying to control their vehicle in real time through the POV of such a thing without it (or the pilot's ship) hitting an asteroid/nav beacon/dogfighting opponent/station, or getting shot out of space by a wind-up merchant.
Does the space version have a shield generator? It might last a few seconds without them, but not much longer.
What kind of propulsion system does it use? How much fuel? How do you refuel them?
Does the c.3300 version use any technology that might be considered AI to operate autonomously? AI is banned in the Elite universe.
How much does it cost? I mean, it's basically a small drone ship with a camera instead of weapons at this point. It's probably not cheap. Does it need separate insurance?
There are a lot more question about this idea. I think drones are fair enough, but I think they should be dumb dispoable units that you have to collect to see the recorded footage. They should also give off a heat signature and be scannable/destroyable.
If you can see the footage real-time, then it stands to reason that someone else should be able to watch it too - the signal is being broadcasted, after all.
When you get picked off because someone saw you hiding out behind an asteroid, autonomous real-time camera drones might not seem like such a good idea.
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