As much fun as it is to play against AI ships in this game? If you go with this argument, FDev should remove every single AI in the game.
I don't get the hate for bots, what's really wrong with that?
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As much fun as it is to play against AI ships in this game? If you go with this argument, FDev should remove every single AI in the game.
Modding needs to have limits in multiplayer only titles (and because of a persistent, shared, BGS, Elite qualifies, irrespective of mode) so that everyone is playing by the same rules.
Botting would not be an issue in an offline version of a game. It's an issue in the game we have because botting cannot be made mandatory, and cannot be an expectation, for Frontier to deliver the experience they have envisioned, or the one they have advertised and sold.
I agree with exchange of information between players being on a different level than automation of gameplay, but this correlation is a stretch.
Yeah, that kind of system is better known as online game, because online games encourage development of bots. /s
That doesnt look like a very good argument to me tbh. Either way the AI is set up to let you win, its the background scenery of the game. I cant see any connection between a player using automation and the games AI.
Everything's just background fluff till you pay attention to it. You never know, complete your goals and you might still want to fly your fleet. The fluff will be there waiting, regardless. And if we get our way, it wont be borked by bots.
Too many things are being conflated. There's no way "AFK turret boats" are botting. The whole point of turrets is that you don't have to continuously aim them.
Well it has to be doesnt it, who would want to play against an AI that was seriously trying. Would be like playing against bots
It's cheating. Cheating in any game should be frowned upon, yes there are ways to cheat but the dishonest player chooses to take advantage of those cheats of their own accord.
I support community condemnation of any cheating.
And yes Fdev should try harder to stop it.
I support community condemnation of any cheating.
And yes Fdev should try harder to stop it.
No, PCs need to be removed. This whole argument is why consoles will ultimately win, and we get to keep our (much looking forward to) auto pilots too
Hey, Chimp started it!
No, PCs need to be removed. This whole argument is why consoles will ultimately win, and we get to keep our (much looking forward to) auto pilots too
Won't be long before you can point a webcam at your screen and and connect an emulated controller to the console and have the PC play your consoles for you.
Who says I haven't already done this with a Raspberry Pi?
How is botting cheating? They are not altering the games code to gain an otherwise unobtainable advantage (e.g. unlimited "health"), they are simply automating the mundane tasks we have to do, to gain reward in this game.
And as someone else has said, how is it any different to sharing your account with friends who fly for you while you sleep? Someone could go so far to hire a hundred people to fly the ships on his multiple accounts. Would that be cheating too?
The only real difference with botting is that it's a computer program doing it and not a human being.
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Quite so, and there are plenty of wonderfully fun games out there for indulging that mindset. Things like Infinifactory or TIS-100 or Spacechem if you want programming as a game, or say Dwarf Fortress or Minecraft for tinkering with logical deterministic building blocks, or things like Battlecode or Core War for that cutthroat competitive coding experience. But any shared social experience requires some basic level of buy-in from its community, and as such it's rather disrespectful to the developers and players of this game to bring bots when both groups have clearly stated they aren't welcome.
In the real world, I'm a steadfast proponent of the freedom to tinker, because that has real-world consequences. This is entertainment that people engage with voluntarily, and they can voluntarily refrain from breaking the rules of the community, or they can lose the right to be part of it.
So basically parts of the game are to boring to play. Let a bot do it. I can get along with this. BUT: If this is the case, why don't we get free bots for everyone. Why can only those who like coding have them? It's not fair.
Are you serious. Botting is using 3rd party software to essentially hack the game in order to automate gameplay.
I dont care how you justify it, you are not playing the game and progressing within it as intended.
Quite so. And that doesn't even take away from the argument that "AFK turret boat" is bad gameplay. Powerplay can be poorly designed and still not justify cheating with bots. The AI can be stupid enough to fly into a stationary turret boat without making the boat into a bot. In both cases the developers really ought to improve those aspects of the game, but those are completely different topics.
Sounds like macros and voice control and all the other toys you PC players get. This goes to prove my point, PC players need to be banned - real CMDRs (the ones that don't need macros to cheat) play on console.
So basically parts of the game are to boring to play. Let a bot do it. I can get along with this. BUT: If this is the case, why don't we get free bots for everyone. Why can only those who like coding have them? It's not fair.
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well I personally would love an autopilot that let's me plot routes and it then flies the ship for me, while I drink my coffee and read newspapers. And only occasionally have to take control when something happens (being attacked, or something is on collision course or stuff).Until I am docked and I decide what to do next, sell my goods to a certain person, go to the bar and make contacts, take on a special mission or do some diplomacy? (none of this is ingame sadly)
I mean, what do people think the future will be like? That captains sit in their pilot-chairs for days to steer their ship manually?
No, spaceships will be able to plot complex courses and fly on their own, including docking and doing complex evasive manouvers. Where people come in will be to decide what course to actually chose and how to make best use of the spacecraft for their personal goals - which extends to deploy creative thinking in their tactics and flying (e.g. in combat), which a computer can't really do.
Coming back to ED, if the game rewards would be a conclusion of personal skill and creative thinking, then there would be zero bots in this game.
Problem is, rewards are a conclusion of repeating mundane tasks, which do not require any skill or creative thinking. And thus we have bots infecting the game.