There are enough people asking now to warrent a reply. I put it down to rudeness. Take peoples money and cant even manage a sentence to address their concerns. They are bad people, a rotten company.
Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner
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There are enough people asking now to warrent a reply. I put it down to rudeness. Take peoples money and cant even manage a sentence to address their concerns. They are bad people, a rotten company.
What's my post got to do with Fdev?
If I was you. I would assume the worst. That they are not going to change it. Your choice at the end of the day though.
You have my sympathy as a macOS warrior, but really there's no point getting knocked out of shape by the silence of the lambs.
Some people always get disproportionately and comedically furious about trivial video game things. FDEV seem to just ignore them.
Ah yes they ripped off all the mac people didnt they? Was that never resolved? You just got cut loose?
Can you not just resist the impulse to keep this thread going by providing someone to argue with?
It was resolved by crocodile tears and being cut loose. To be fair to FDev, it was always a joint macOS/Windows account, so I now have to reboot to play ED.
Macs not popular enough to be a viable gaming platform. No more FDEV's fault than the death of Betamax.
I didn't know advice constituted an argument.
As i stated before i can see where You are coming from. But i can't help but notice how the map used to be the tool for exploration prior to the update. With little information i'm able to get from FD streams, patch notes, update notes or what have You i get the picture that increased payouts are supposed reward for exploration rather than the map itself. Map being a tool to find rare system configurations rather than facilitate entire system scanning endeavour.
On point. Of course it's hard to satisfy everyone. But with what we have we would like to encourage possibilities in chosing ones reffered playstyle. For those who don't like the mechanic and found the previous one more compelling whilst keeping the new "improved" mechanic for those who like it.
As finding extraordinary configurations is a reward all in itself. Neatly "balancing" with increased payouts of the FSS.
I stand in deffence of this man. While i don't exactly suppport Your views i see logic behind them and am glad to hear You don't mind ADS being brought back under certain conditions which is, after all, the key point of this thread.
For better visibility in regards to previous statement.
Ditto
Alright. Fair point. However it is community right to express their feelings about current state of the game as well as give feedback. After all FD should care about the reception of their creation.
Gentlement, please, behave. Discuss topic not eachother.
Adapting is one thing but sometimes even though You overcome the initial grief there is always something in the back of Your head that "just doesn't seem right".
I would not bother with macs in the first place. I would like to point out, thought that mac support was dropped due to apple not supporting certain graphical library (opengl i bielieve?) so it's rather their fault than FDev's.
I have no doubt that this thread will be closed soon, but, it will be replaced by another and another... no matter how many times the advocates of "Only the FSS will do" try to shut those dissatisfied with it down that won't go away and they won't suddenly be pleased.
I have no doubt that there are more people exploring now with the FSS than before with the old ADS because if you redefine what counts as Exploring you can achieve a goal, this has been wedged home by the 'gift' of money and 'first dibs badges for nothing more than simply entering a star system.
I have no doubt that there are more people exploring now with the FSS than before with the old ADS because if you redefine what counts as Exploring you can achieve a goal, this has been wedged home by the 'gift' of money and 'first dibs badges for nothing more than simply entering a star system.
ThatSmileyGuy Little bit hilarious tho right? 
Good. With a bit of luck this issue will burn for years. The thing with the changes to exploration, while there might be technically more they will never go as far or achieve as much as the old crowd did. The FSS will ultimately defeat those players that defend it. IMO.
Good. With a bit of luck this issue will burn for years. The thing with the changes to exploration, while there might be technically more they will never go as far or achieve as much as the old crowd did. The FSS will ultimately defeat those players that defend it. IMO.
Now that's a rarity, both Burke and Max (Alpabetical order) gave you a thumb... common ground is being trodden!
Yep that's why I said it wasn't FDEV's fault.
I just went with the lame Betamax gag rather than bother with the specifics.
I didn't say I was happy with it. I'm not going to express a personal opinion on how I feel about it because my feelings on the matter are irrelevant. This is the way it is whether I love it or hate it or care not one whit either way.
Yes, absolutely people wanted exploration to be more than what it was. Some wanted different mechanics (many were proposed), and others wanted more to be found.
We got new mechanics, some like them, some don't. The problem, and why this goes on, is that FD intentionally or otherwise, removed the previous mechanics. Arguably there was no reason to do this. Certainly had they not, the only 'crying' would likely be that they hadn't added enough things to be found.
All the things that you didn't complain about were simply the way the game was from the get go. FD didn't retroactively insist that you needed a permit for Sol, nor that you needed rank to get access to a ship.
If it frustrates you that people for whom the game has been diminished are complaining on the games forum, then it's probably best just to ignore the threads. Complaining about them complaining seems odd.
Yes. There was a reason to remove the ADS. To free up an optional internal slot. You can't have it both ways. You either have an integrated scanner that's standard on all ships or you have an optional scanner that you can fit if you choose to do so. Having both, or the provision for both, is just over engineering. Over engineering is almost always all around bad practice.
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I very much doubt so, if it really was a way to free up a slot, it was pretty terrible as it only benefited those who already had an ADS not to mention that there was no particular reason to have yet more slots. And I don't see the sense in your logic because we still have both a standard scanner on all ships and an optional scanner.
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Errrr, nope.
The FSS was intended to be a straight replacement for the ADS, because FDev had failed to realize that tying the new USS location mechanism to the FSS meant that anybody hunting mats had to fit one. Naturally enough, non-explorers were quite upset about this, so FDev responded by making the FSS magically invisible and weightless.
Ironically, that actually made it EASIER for them to bring back the ADS as an optional module, since it could just go back into its original slot.
It's a classic example of rushed development leading to designs which don't meet customer requirements, which then have to be reworked at the last minute. The result of this is invariably badly written code which falls apart spectacularly when anyone tries to make a minor adjustment to it. April Update anyone?
I'm sure it was nothing to do with slot management...
FD wanted everybody to have the FSS because 1) they mistakenly believed nobody would miss the ADS since the FSS is so much more powerful for what they consider to be the prime motivator for exploration, and 2) because they very much want players to be able to find stuff on planets, and the FSS tells you from the system entry point whether there are POI's present on a body.
Most requests for the ADS to come back want it as a separate and optional module, so the fact that there was a slot free, and now potentially more free after the addition of the new extra slots on every ship make that perfectly doable.
I don't see having both as 'over engineering'. They both do a similar duty, to display what's in a system, just do it slightly differently. So while the FSS is absolutely wonderful for discovering traditional valuable bodies (ELW, WW, AW and the like) on system entry, it is inadequate for spotting anomalies such as weirdly colored gas giants and potentially odd orbits with the same ease.
Nobody's complaining how easy it is to spot those valuable bodies using the FSS, so I'm not sure why anybody would complain if spotting the odder stuff was doable just as quickly and easily.
And the game is full of different tools for the same job, from all the different ships that are available to players, to weapons and weapon types (people can have mixes of fixed and turreted on ships with no issues even though they do the same job completely differently), and pretty much everything in between.
Player choice adds potential depth and variety in how people choose to play the game, and that's surely a good thing.