Tried welding two fish together once to make a superfish. Turns out you only get a BBQ.Sidewinders can carry SRV's. Secretly, they are the Fleet Carriers...
Weld enough of them together, and one can do anything...
Please reconsider fleet carriers for solo players.
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Well then what is this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_vehicle
I guess I can have a fleet if I incorporate?
Tbh, there would be a simple solution:
Add the Panther Clipper.
Not the cargo variant but the carrier variant, there are concept arts, so why not implement it as a smaller carrier?
Either be able to be piloted directly and hired NPCs or just tell them to go to location "X" and they fly there in real time.
As from the concept art it probably has 2 Hangars maybe make it customizable.
To swap the 4 small hangars with 2 medium or 1 large.
I know that there is a newer concept for a cargo version, which I am fine with. But perhaps we can also get these smaller fleet carriers, just purchase them like other ships for dunno 4 bil and it has its own scoop ships that automatically scoop the nearest star. (if there is none, the player has the task to refuel it until it can jump to the next scoopable star).
I'd really love to see the Panther Clipper (XL) or whatever the carrier was originally named.
I hope FDevs read this message and reconsider the Panther Clipper as a realistic ship to produce, as there is quite a demand for Solo carriers (judging from this thread). Thanks for reading.
Add the Panther Clipper.
Not the cargo variant but the carrier variant, there are concept arts, so why not implement it as a smaller carrier?
Either be able to be piloted directly and hired NPCs or just tell them to go to location "X" and they fly there in real time.
As from the concept art it probably has 2 Hangars maybe make it customizable.
To swap the 4 small hangars with 2 medium or 1 large.
I know that there is a newer concept for a cargo version, which I am fine with. But perhaps we can also get these smaller fleet carriers, just purchase them like other ships for dunno 4 bil and it has its own scoop ships that automatically scoop the nearest star. (if there is none, the player has the task to refuel it until it can jump to the next scoopable star).
I'd really love to see the Panther Clipper (XL) or whatever the carrier was originally named.
I hope FDevs read this message and reconsider the Panther Clipper as a realistic ship to produce, as there is quite a demand for Solo carriers (judging from this thread). Thanks for reading.
The Dictionary disagrees with you:
fleet /flēt/
noun
1 a group of ships sailing together, engaged in the same activity, or under the same ownership.
"the small port supports a fishing fleet"
It’s that “or under the same ownership” part that says yes, one person can indeed own a fleet of ships.
Of course one person could also own an unkindness if ravens, a parliament of owls or a conspiracy of lemurs too.
Just to chime in with my point of view I feel its kind of cruel with as long a wait as we have had for some new content to restrict it to a certain few. Everyone wants new Elite stuff and it stinks if some have to be left out.
Nobody is left out. Anyone can join a squadron. It's just that people choose not to.
This is a very good suggestion. I was thinking something similar, why not allow the Corvette (and probably the Cutter as well) to carry a Sidewinder or an Eagle? You give something the solo players can have without it being the big fleet carriers. The Anaconda used to (or may still do) have in the description that a Sidewinder could be launched from it, why not allow the Corvette (and Cutter) to do that? It's not as if it's something Frontier have never considered.Tbh, there would be a simple solution:
Add the Panther Clipper.
Not the cargo variant but the carrier variant, there are concept arts, so why not implement it as a smaller carrier?
Either be able to be piloted directly and hired NPCs or just tell them to go to location "X" and they fly there in real time.
As from the concept art it probably has 2 Hangars maybe make it customizable.
To swap the 4 small hangars with 2 medium or 1 large.
I know that there is a newer concept for a cargo version, which I am fine with. But perhaps we can also get these smaller fleet carriers, just purchase them like other ships for dunno 4 bil and it has its own scoop ships that automatically scoop the nearest star. (if there is none, the player has the task to refuel it until it can jump to the next scoopable star).
I'd really love to see the Panther Clipper (XL) or whatever the carrier was originally named.
I hope FDevs read this message and reconsider the Panther Clipper as a realistic ship to produce, as there is quite a demand for Solo carriers (judging from this thread). Thanks for reading.
except it would make no sense to launch a sidewinder from a cutter, corvette, or conda
Forcing people to HAVE to join squadrons in order to effectively map the galaxy is not going to work. Exploration is, generally speaking, a solo affair. Of course, I am not counting such events like DW, but on the whole, you don't TEND to explore long distance in large groups.
Squadron carriers would be MUCH more useful for PvP type environments (BGS for example), where having a fleet of ships on standby in a system that is being defended/attacked would be highly beneficial. Of course this could add new problems of imbalance - but that's a topic for another thread.
My personal opinion, Smaller carriers for a maximum 2 large and 1 medium pads, all three can be used at once. Modular design, allowing upgrades to various carrier functions, and the ability to add/upgrade certain modules while in the field. Refuelling done by refining certain materials and normal hydrogen, to allow either a large jump with a long cooldown, or a series of shorter jumps, with a much longer cooldown. Depending on jump engine class. Probably Elite required in 1 or more disciplines, and a high rank in a Power to ensure we don't have a repeat of the Newbie Anaconda Problem.
Larger carriers for squadrons, more maintenance but more ship carrying capacity, more upgrades, more features that would benefit active squadrons, etc etc.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I would go out on a limb and suggest the solo player far outweighs squadron groups. Cutting out these people would cause a lot of bad feeling - and I don't think this game needs more of that right now...
Squadron carriers would be MUCH more useful for PvP type environments (BGS for example), where having a fleet of ships on standby in a system that is being defended/attacked would be highly beneficial. Of course this could add new problems of imbalance - but that's a topic for another thread.
My personal opinion, Smaller carriers for a maximum 2 large and 1 medium pads, all three can be used at once. Modular design, allowing upgrades to various carrier functions, and the ability to add/upgrade certain modules while in the field. Refuelling done by refining certain materials and normal hydrogen, to allow either a large jump with a long cooldown, or a series of shorter jumps, with a much longer cooldown. Depending on jump engine class. Probably Elite required in 1 or more disciplines, and a high rank in a Power to ensure we don't have a repeat of the Newbie Anaconda Problem.
Larger carriers for squadrons, more maintenance but more ship carrying capacity, more upgrades, more features that would benefit active squadrons, etc etc.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I would go out on a limb and suggest the solo player far outweighs squadron groups. Cutting out these people would cause a lot of bad feeling - and I don't think this game needs more of that right now...
At least it's a better solution than solo players owning a fleet carrier which even I admit is silly. Also the Corvette and Cutter would be big enough to carry a Sidewinder or an Eagle. I don't think an Anaconda would be. All I was doing was mentioning that the description used to state that.
Since when was joining a squadron something that players are supposed to or are expected to do? As you point out, it's just a choice in how a person plays the game. Blaze your own trail and all that...
FD would do better to create a modular scaleable model for fleet carriers that everybody could have access to if they are prepared to put in the gameplay required to access one that has the capacity and range that they want.
Who said it's expected or you are supposed to join a squadron.Since when was joining a squadron something that players are supposed to or are expected to do? As you point out, it's just a choice in how a person plays the game. Blaze your own trail and all that...
But like most computer games, you have to do or join things to get things. A bit like a MMO guild. As a solo.player without a guild, I can't get the benefits of a guild house.
Yup, blaze your own trail within the rules and confines of the game world that Fdev create.
Fdev would do better to create the game that fits their own vision for the game.
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Frontier's whisper campaign is coming along nicely...
Well, since they are not squadron carriers, but fleet carriers, and lots of players have fleets, then what you should have to do to get one should not (presumably) involve joining a squadron.
While I agree a lone CMDR will be able to own and operate one, I think it will be squadron based. You might have to make your own squad. But that only takes 10 mil and 3 minutes so it’s not a huge deal
I buy that for a dollar. Or an Arx.. or a billion credits!Tbh, there would be a simple solution:
Add the Panther Clipper.
Not the cargo variant but the carrier variant, there are concept arts, so why not implement it as a smaller carrier?
Either be able to be piloted directly and hired NPCs or just tell them to go to location "X" and they fly there in real time.
As from the concept art it probably has 2 Hangars maybe make it customizable.
To swap the 4 small hangars with 2 medium or 1 large.
I know that there is a newer concept for a cargo version, which I am fine with. But perhaps we can also get these smaller fleet carriers, just purchase them like other ships for dunno 4 bil and it has its own scoop ships that automatically scoop the nearest star. (if there is none, the player has the task to refuel it until it can jump to the next scoopable star).
I'd really love to see the Panther Clipper (XL) or whatever the carrier was originally named.
I hope FDevs read this message and reconsider the Panther Clipper as a realistic ship to produce, as there is quite a demand for Solo carriers (judging from this thread). Thanks for reading.
I was thinking that, but actual definitions of the word are somewhat vague:
fleet
noun
a group of ships sailing together, engaged in the same activity, or under the same ownership.
or
a number of vehicles or aircraft operating together or under the same ownership.
So you can say it's a number of vehicles operating together - which isn't one CMDRs ship collection, or you can say it's all the ships owned by a CMDR. Both are fleets, but very different definitions. fdev will have to say what they mean by fleet.
English eh - so good for defining precise concepts
Everyone loves to argue semantics to their own benefit. Even when it's pretty obvious what something actually means or is implied.
Anyway, even the ED fandom site seems to have interpreted:
"The Fleet Carrier is a very large, dockable vessel that Squadrons will be able to purchase and use as a mobile base of operations. Squadron members will be able to refuel, rearm, and respawn at their Squadron's Fleet Carrier.[1] It will be available in the December Update. "
But that's what this generation is all about isn't it? Everybody wants to be included, even if they chose to exclude themselves from something.
Something is given as an incentive to encourage squadrons, and suddenly all the lone wolves and solo players feel that they should have it too.
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Hmmmm.. so somehow still refusing to not assume the worst in frontier, i've been assuming that frontier has the will and ability to actually take a suggestion and act on it.
Given both of the above are far from certain assumptions... i never considered the brute force way to achieve the same thing. Ie, multiple accounts, one for each ship that i'm ever going to take.
Im possibly willing to do it, but don't know how i feel about it.. i think that's crossed the line indulging frontier, or paying / rewarding them for things they clearly wouldn't be deserving for.
Lack of commander slots and duped cosmetics were excused years ago from kickerstarter grandparenting, but by now its nothing but anti consumer behaviour. They actually accept the payments, its not like they're too busy working on better things to do that.
Given both of the above are far from certain assumptions... i never considered the brute force way to achieve the same thing. Ie, multiple accounts, one for each ship that i'm ever going to take.
Im possibly willing to do it, but don't know how i feel about it.. i think that's crossed the line indulging frontier, or paying / rewarding them for things they clearly wouldn't be deserving for.
Lack of commander slots and duped cosmetics were excused years ago from kickerstarter grandparenting, but by now its nothing but anti consumer behaviour. They actually accept the payments, its not like they're too busy working on better things to do that.
A typical initial loadout could include :
2) size 4 weapons - gimballed or turrent
4) size 3 weapons - " "
4) size 2 weapons - " "
8) size 1 weapons - " "
1) class 6 fighter slot
1) military grade hull protector
1) military grade module protector
(^ This should provide standard ship self-protection)
2) size 8 cargo (256T)
2) size 7 " " (128T)
4) size 6 " " (64T)
3) size 5 " " (32T)
3) size 2 " "
4) size 1 " "
** Carriers cannot enter MailSlot of stations
** Slot upgrades must be from the 2.5km limit of the selected station via ship transfer or remote engineering
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Except lifers aren't always the best players just the ones with the most time on their hands.
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