The Quest To Find Raxxla
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I asked Will. I think its a fair question, TBH. I'm not asking for clues.
Don't hold your breath. It gets asked multiple times on just about every livestream. It has also been asked directly here on the forums several times as well. The response is always the same; a cheeky "We know what you're talking about but aren't going to say anything about it other than to make light of it."
Just wanna say - Great name. I just renamed my AX Krait TLEILAXU
Thats a bit crazy. You would think that a customer could ask a supplier if their product implements a specific feature and get a yes/no answer.
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Of course, of course and no, don't be silly, that's just Galnet fluff.
Nice, Krait sounds very Tleilaxu-ish !
Come on, that's not fair. It's pretty obvious they can't really answer that kind of question (IMHO).
If we're going down the customer-supplier view on this, then to flip it round, why would a supplier provide an answer to a customer that could potentially cause problems, mislead people, and possibly spoil things for other customers.
Edit - talking about the Raxxla side of things here. Also largely applies for TDW. Not so much for Gan Romero.
Edit 2 - just to be clear, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with asking!
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Maybe I'm being inexplicably naive, but I cant see how it could spoil things for other players. I'm not asking WHERE it is.Come on, that's not fair. It's pretty obvious they can't really answer that kind of question (IMHO).
If we're going down the customer-supplier view on this, then to flip it round, why would a supplier provide an answer to a customer that could potentially cause problems, mislead people, and possibly spoil things for other customers.
Edit - talking about the Raxxla side of things here. Also largely applies for TDW. Not so much for Gan Romero.
Edit 2 - just to be clear, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with asking!
Maybe its because I'm coming from a place of absolute certainty that R and TDW ARE discoverable. Gan Romero, just a place of hope
in fact, the Gan confirmation I asked for was that it was fluff, as opposed to it was in-gameGan Romero..
Gan ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network
Create data from scratch ?
That pilgrim doesn't sound quite reliable to me..
Gan ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network
Create data from scratch ?
That pilgrim doesn't sound quite reliable to me..
Mr Oregano
Am on Regor
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I'm sure if we could orGANize a mass boycott for answers, we'd get some answers.
They might not be the answers they like. But be should start an awareness for the boycott, gain followers, set a date and have everyone refrain from playing ED for no less than 72 hours.
Then ask questions again.
They might not be the answers they like. But be should start an awareness for the boycott, gain followers, set a date and have everyone refrain from playing ED for no less than 72 hours.
Then ask questions again.
72 hours? I'm getting cold sweats just thinking about it!
I know me too. If it wasn't for the forums here and youtube I'd probably have to quit my job
Geez with that in mind it's probably for the best they don't have support for PSVR. I'd lose all usefulness irl
Geez with that in mind it's probably for the best they don't have support for PSVR. I'd lose all usefulness irl
Before I explain where I'm coming from on this, I'm just going to restate that I don't think there's anything wrong with asking.Maybe I'm being inexplicably naive, but I cant see how it could spoil things for other players. I'm not asking WHERE it is.
Maybe its because I'm coming from a place of absolute certainty that R and TDW ARE discoverable. Gan Romero, just a place of hope
Coming back to the what was said about asking if a product has a feature implemented, I think what I'd ultimately say is that yes, it's completely reasonable to expect a straight answer from the supplier if what's being asked about is a feature that's there for everyone to use and re-use, and one person's use of it doesn't effect it for others.
However, ED's a multiplayer game with everyone playing in the same game universe and with a game universe that proceeds in real time. Raxxla is very possibly not a feature of the product in terms of people's personal copies of the game client, but is rather effectively something that's a feature of the game universe. By the nature of that game universe and the way that players interact with it both in and out of the client, it's also very possible that anything involving Raxxla will represent an irreversible change that effects everyone. There's no rewinds, and there's no replays when it comes to major events in the game universe. Once something has happened, it's happened, and it's happened for everyone.
In other words, there's potential impact covering all players, even including non-current ones. Which means they have to be much more careful in what they say than in a scenario where what's being asked about is about personal re-usable features.
Considering matters in that context, to what extent they can answer very much depends on the nature of the situation, which we don't really know enough about to make a call on whether they can answer.
Also, we don't know how they'd be able to answer, if they can, and what the effects might be. For a few examples of what could happen:
- What if answering one way or the other would constitute giving a clue? (for example, depending on the question's wording, an answer of yes could rule out particular sets of systems')
- What if they answer, but the phrasing of the question and answer allows for a get out clause? - 'well it may have read like we were saying X, but we actually meant Y'
- What if someone is able to work something out from the answer? And what if it's incontrovertible that it's been worked out correctly, but turns out to be completely wrong, because the answer had been given without taking into account that that thing could be deduced from it?
- What if they answer in a way that people can read into and jump to all sort of wrong conclusions which will then be circulated all over?
(To add to the last point above, no matter how clearly they answer, they will be unable to do so in a way in which some won't read into it something that was never ever in any way what was said. - have seen it happen too many times )
- What if they answer, but the phrasing of the question and answer allows for a get out clause? - 'well it may have read like we were saying X, but we actually meant Y'
- What if someone is able to work something out from the answer? And what if it's incontrovertible that it's been worked out correctly, but turns out to be completely wrong, because the answer had been given without taking into account that that thing could be deduced from it?
- What if they answer in a way that people can read into and jump to all sort of wrong conclusions which will then be circulated all over?
(To add to the last point above, no matter how clearly they answer, they will be unable to do so in a way in which some won't read into it something that was never ever in any way what was said. - have seen it happen too many times
)Various hypothetical Q&A scenarios below to illustrate.
Q: Is it possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: Yes.
The actual answer which isn't explicitly said: Yes, when the game reaches the appropriate point.
Consequences: massive fuss kicks off when at a later date it transpires what the answer actually meant
Q: Is it possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: No.
The actual answer which isn't explicitly said: No, because it's not something that can just be randomly found by anyone. It is something that will effectively find a very small number of select players / will emerge to everyone at the same time / etc.
Issues: Saying No will cause a lot of fuss. Saying the full answer will give the game away, and spoil things.
Q. Is it currently possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: Yes.
The actual answer which isn't explicitly said: Yes, however it will require the Gnosis's jump range, will rely on correctly guessing which of many systems can only be reached using the Gnosis's jump range, and as it's 50,000 ly to the jump point is going to take the Gnosis 100 weeks to reach anyway.
Issues: Massive fuss when it comes out what the Yes actually meant.
Q. Is it currently possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: Yes, it can be randomly found.
Issues: Places limits on the nature of Raxxla. Places limits on the location of Raxxla. i.e. - constitutes a clue.
Other things to consider:
- what if Raxxla changes location, how would that be answered without giving something away? What if the answer is currently yes, but in a weeks time will be no because Raxxla has changed location and is now in a Permit Locked region?
- what if there's a mechanism that's temporarily been put on hold or is having to be changed? How can they answer without giving something away?
- what if the answer amounts to 'it can be discovered, but can't currently be accessed'? How can they answer accurately without giving something away or misleading people.
- what if the answer they give means nothing to you, but someone else is able to work out a key bit of info from it, finds Raxxla from it, announces the discovery, and scuppers the awesome in game Raxxla discovery journey/event that FD has been lining up for everyone to participate in?
And so on and so forth.
Given answer: Yes.
The actual answer which isn't explicitly said: Yes, when the game reaches the appropriate point.
Consequences: massive fuss kicks off when at a later date it transpires what the answer actually meant
Q: Is it possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: No.
The actual answer which isn't explicitly said: No, because it's not something that can just be randomly found by anyone. It is something that will effectively find a very small number of select players / will emerge to everyone at the same time / etc.
Issues: Saying No will cause a lot of fuss. Saying the full answer will give the game away, and spoil things.
Q. Is it currently possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: Yes.
The actual answer which isn't explicitly said: Yes, however it will require the Gnosis's jump range, will rely on correctly guessing which of many systems can only be reached using the Gnosis's jump range, and as it's 50,000 ly to the jump point is going to take the Gnosis 100 weeks to reach anyway.
Issues: Massive fuss when it comes out what the Yes actually meant.
Q. Is it currently possible to discover Raxxla?
Given answer: Yes, it can be randomly found.
Issues: Places limits on the nature of Raxxla. Places limits on the location of Raxxla. i.e. - constitutes a clue.
Other things to consider:
- what if Raxxla changes location, how would that be answered without giving something away? What if the answer is currently yes, but in a weeks time will be no because Raxxla has changed location and is now in a Permit Locked region?
- what if there's a mechanism that's temporarily been put on hold or is having to be changed? How can they answer without giving something away?
- what if the answer amounts to 'it can be discovered, but can't currently be accessed'? How can they answer accurately without giving something away or misleading people.
- what if the answer they give means nothing to you, but someone else is able to work out a key bit of info from it, finds Raxxla from it, announces the discovery, and scuppers the awesome in game Raxxla discovery journey/event that FD has been lining up for everyone to participate in?
And so on and so forth.
Long and short, it's potentially a bit of a minefield, and personally I'd say they'd be pretty crazy to head into it unless they're actually at a point where they want to start giving things away.
Again, no harm in asking though, and who knows you might actually get a response.
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